Kayak Cut in Half in Meredith

[Irrigation Guy]

Originally Posted by Island Lover

Can you give us an example

Post 234?

Good luck in your quest for speed limits(said facetiously for those how like to twist things). I've had enough of this thread and feel it should be closed. Beating a dead horse is a understatement.

[Island Lover]

Originally Posted by LocalRealtor

Post 234?

Good luck in your quest for speed limits(said facetiously for those how like to twist things). I've had enough of this thread and feel it should be closed. Beating a dead horse is a understatement.

Post 234 refers to post 231. However Islander was clearly talking about the responsibilities of the powerboater. Responding that a kayak is a boat has nothing to do with the statements in 231.

I think YOU are the one with the agenda. Because you don't like speed limits is no reason to bash people that do! This thread has very little to do with speed limits, I can't see where ANY proposed speed limit would have made a difference in this case.

[Islander]

I agree!

This accident and this thread are not about the 45/25 proposed speed limit.

It does involve the question of how fast is reasonable at night. That determination depends on the conditions. There are some instances where it is possible to go quite fast at night in reasonable safety. A lot also depends on the operators night vision and experience. A 25 mph night speed limit is a compromise at best, and 45 mph during the day is to low.

If you want to go back and read posts, check out #21 where the entire story of the accident is thought to be BS, and must therefore have been invented by people on Bear Island. That is called bashing.

Asking for a thread to be closed is a typical responses when someone's own voracity or agenda is challenged.

[codeman671]

Originally Posted by Islander

and 45 mph during the day is to low.

I think most of us agree, 45mph is too low!

[Airwaves]

Island Lover wrote:

Post 234 refers to post 231. However Islander was clearly talking about the responsibilities of the powerboater. Responding that a kayak is a boat has nothing to do with the statements in 231.

Actually post #234 that I wrote points out that a kayak is a boat and must comply with ALL the same navigation rules as an 18' bowrider or a 45' cruiser, not just SOME of them as has been continuously ignored by the kayak sympathizers!

The "powerboater is always wrong" crowd first accused the powerboater in question of not keeping a proper lookout. I am just pointing out that it was also the responsiblity of the kayker to keep a proper lookout, and based on his action of abandoning his boat it is reasonable to say he saw the approaching vessel and rather than paddle out of the way he jumped out of his boat thus taking his second action to directly cause the accident! (The first was being out on the water after midnight without proper lighting)

Of course when we found out from someone on board the powerboat that not only was there a proper lookout posted, but an active search ahead of the boat with a spotlight...well, then the argument turned to:

Originally Posted by Gavia immer

the moment that the spotlight is put to use looking ahead of the powerboat, that obstructions should have been seen. If obstructions aren't seen once a spotlight is put to use, that was negligence on the part of the captain for excess speed under conditions he created himself for his boat and passengers.

And there it is Aubrey....SPEED!

I tend to agree with LocalRealtor, enough is enough until someone can obtain a copy of the MP report on this case.