N.H. yearly car inspections

[Slickcraft]

The house vote was on the 6th, 212-103 to eliminate inspections:
https://www.wmur.com/article/nh-hous...-0325/64080031

FLL got the date wrong however I agree with his comments.

Alan

[TiltonBB]

Many states have been eliminating safety inspections. Fifteen states have a periodic (annual or biennial) safety inspection program, while Maryland requires a safety inspection and Alabama requires a VIN inspection on sale or transfer of vehicles which were previously registered in another state. An additional 16 states require periodic emissions inspections. Florida has no vehicle inspections.

I would think the best way to determine if safety inspections truly help to promote safety would be to look at a comparison between state accident rates attributed to things like bald tires in states with and without inspection laws.

I never thought the NH inspections would be eliminated due to the NH Auto Dealers Association influence over politicians. The repair shops like inspections that generate work, or sometimes even the need for a new car.

The next law to face a challenge might be the NH front license plate law. Currently only 29 states require a front plate but you cannot pass a state inspection in NH without one.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

Many states have been uheliminating safety inspections. Fifteen states have a periodic (annual or biennial) safety inspection program, while Maryland requires a safety inspection and Alabama requires a VIN inspection on sale or transfer of vehicles which were previously registered in another state. An additional 16 states require periodic emissions inspections. Florida has no vehicle inspections.

I would think the best way to determine if safety inspections truly help to promote safety would be to look at a comparison between state accident rates attributed to things like bald tires in states with and without inspection laws.

I never thought the NH inspections would be eliminated due to the NH Auto Dealers Association influence over politicians. The repair shops like inspections that generate work, or sometimes even the need for a new car.

The next law to face a challenge might be the NH front license plate law. Currently only 29 states require a front plate but you cannot pass a state inspection in NH without one.

Florida did have auto inspections--complete with concrete structures, brake testing rollers, and a cadre of inspectors in every county throughout the state.

Once, after a long wait in line for testing, a red sticker was applied to my windshield indicating my restored antique car had one month to bring its failure into conformity with Florida law.

The listed failure? The horn was too loud!

I swapped to a VW beetle horn, passed a second inspection and got my red sticker replaced with a sticker indicating I had a year until the next inspection. (indicated by the color).

Is it any wonder Florida's inspections were eliminated?

[tis]

When is the Senate going to vote on this?

[John Mercier]

Docket doesn't yet have it scheduled.
Senate Commerce Committee will take it up after the transfer between chambers.

There are some amendments to the bill, and it looks that the inspection will stay in place, but change to every two years for private passenger vehicles and motorcycles. Not sure how this affects any Federal Clean Air requirements for the OBD testing.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

There are some amendments to the bill, and it looks that the inspection will stay in place, but change to every two years for private passenger vehicles and motorcycles.

Looks like they read the forum!

[Descant]

If you need a sticker on your birthday every year, you tend to remember. I expect a lot of tickets for non-inspection when people forget the routine. I remember in the 70's we had a flood of transplants get tickets for expired this or that. The excuse was "Nobody sent me a reminder letter". We should get a letter. Added expense, but the DMV now sends out letters and fees were increased accordingly.
I still like getting an inspection by the seller whenever a car changes hands. Easy to remember.
If we go to two years, registration should be every two years also, no change in fee since DMV overhead is reduced. If you get stopped, no ticket for say, 10 days and then waived when the computer shows that you registered or inspected. This is a silly thing to waste a lot of time on. Paying a highly trained police officer/trooper to stand at a toll booth and stop people for expired stickers is not a good use of funds or manpower. (Same content sent to my Senator).

[John Mercier]

Registration may be a problem because of the attached property tax.

I definitely feel that paying two years worth of that is going to put a pinch on some people.

Also, if it is every two years for inspection are they going to develop a means to get half one year and half the other?

[Descant]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Registration may be a problem because of the attached property tax.

I definitely feel that paying two years worth of that is going to put a pinch on some people.

Also, if it is every two years for inspection are they going to develop a means to get half one year and half the other?

My suggestion was to leave the fee alone. If it is $50 now for one year, make it $50 for two years, i.e. $25/year and reduce expenses at DMV to compensate. I bet the GC is clever enough to figure out the taxes for the town's portion.

[John Mercier]

So imagine a $30K new vehicle, that would $18 x 30 for a registration cost of $540. Year Two would be $15 x 30 for a registration cost of $450.

A two year registration cost to hold harmless the local municipality would equate to $990.

While cutting the DMV portion is relatively easy. The Legislature just has to choose to do so; the municipal portion is an offset to real estate property taxes under other income in the budgets.
I think that creates anxiety of change within the Legislature.

[Descant]

There are several programs for paying taxes in the digital world. No reason you can't set up the second year tax on autopay. Or monthly for two years. Look at the "smart guys" on TV. Most people won't write a check for $240, but they will commit to only $19 a month. When the charity wants to raise 5% more, they ask for "only a dollar". Who can say no to "only a dollar". Taxes are the same when you raise a tax by "only 1/4%."

[John Mercier]

That would need to be done at each municipality.
With interest and an extra charge to cover costs.
That is how our property tax currently works.

My understanding of the inspection situation was they are trying to lower costs for our residents.

[tis]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Docket doesn't yet have it scheduled.
Senate Commerce Committee will take it up after the transfer between chambers.

There are some amendments to the bill, and it looks that the inspection will stay in place, but change to every two years for private passenger vehicles and motorcycles. Not sure how this affects any Federal Clean Air requirements for the OBD testing.

Thank you.

[BroadHopper]

When a vehicle does not past inspection and it's expensive to comply, I know of folks that would drive their vehicles to FL or a state with no inspections and use or sell the vehicle.

If NH eliminate annual inspection, there should be a huge fine in case you get into an accident because of faulty equipment.

My garage pretty much go over the vehicle for defects every time I go in for repairs or maintenance.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

If NH eliminate annual inspection, there should be a huge fine in case you get into an accident because of faulty equipment.

While I agree in theory—that owners should be liable for damage caused by neglected maintenance—even yearly inspections can't account for what might happen 10k miles down the road...between inspections.

That being said, I never felt the cost was prohibitive, I could always take my vehicle for a second opinion, and the states I've driven in that don't have inspections clearly had vehicles that were potentially unsafe. For these reasons, I support having inspections.

HOWEVER, I do think there should be a system to challenge rejections and report repair shops that prey on people.

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[jeffk]

I am of mixed feelings on this. Personally, I take my car in annually for basic service and a good lookover/inspection. I don't want to be driving a vehicle with bad tires or marginal brakes. Or more subtle problems like rust damage that could risk safety. So even if the legal requirement goes away my behavior won't change.

But will I then be at the mercy of people who choose not to or cannot afford to maintain their cars. Are they going to ram into me because their brakes gave out? Are they going to swerve into my lane because their bald tire blew out? It seems we all have a responsibility to each other to have safe vehicles on the road. As with all such things, some will do the right thing and others will not. An inspection law makes sure that everyone does and allows for a visible indicator to see who is not, allowing for corrections.

How does this work out for states with no inspection? Are there higher "junk" car accident rates or are they not even bothering to keep track. "Car swerved into the other lane causing the accident." But no mention of the cause of the swerve being that the bald tire blew out?

[ishoot308]

Maybe an inspection requirement every two years would be a good compromise?

Dan

[TomC]

interestingly, every two years is the requirement for cars running antique plates... while these cars are not for daily use, they are old by definition - and perhaps more worn, so a case could be made for more frequent inspections rather than less, ironically. They do not have modern safety systems, generally, like ABS, airbags, etc., either.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Maybe an inspection requirement every two years would be a good compromise?
Dan

Have states done away with inspections because they've found it's always the nut behind the wheel?

"Sort of" family-friendly compilation of Canada/USA crashes:

https://youtu.be/E-LMPfnL01Q?si=UH4KA4xq6cjAs6xs

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Maybe an inspection requirement every two years would be a good compromise?

Dan

Would we get away with the OBD smog requirement?
Or would we need to do that every year?

[ghfromaltonbay]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Maybe an inspection requirement every two years would be a good compromise?

Dan

In NJ, new cars are required to have their first inspection after 5 years. After this initial inspection, they then are inspected every 2 years. The inspection items have been reduced. The main items are emissions and brakes. They no longer inspect headlight focus or directional signals among other items.

[retired]

We were in Memphis in May 2023 and saw this beauty. They don't have inspections there. Is this what you want to see driving around our beautiful state?

[chaseisland]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

When a vehicle does not past inspection and it's expensive to comply, I know of folks that would drive their vehicles to FL or a state with no inspections and use or sell the vehicle.

If NH eliminate annual inspection, there should be a huge fine in case you get into an accident because of faulty equipment.

My garage pretty much go over the vehicle for defects every time I go in for repairs or maintenance.

Would love to watch a trial having the state prove an accident was caused by faulty equipment. Would need to have an expert witness and even then it would still be difficult to prove.

[pondguy]

I remember back in the day when New Hampshire required you to have your car inspected and get a new sticker every six months.

[Susie Cougar]

Originally Posted by pondguy

I remember back in the day when New Hampshire required you to have your car inspected and get a new sticker every six months.

I remember that too! My parents used to get a new car every three years. It had to be inspected six months after it was bought and then six months again. Before anything was ever wrong with it, they always sold it. I always thought this was so ridiculous.

[pondguy]

Back when you had brake shoes front and back and could get a recapped tire for under twenty bucks.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by chaseisland

Would love to watch a trial having the state prove an accident was caused by faulty equipment. Would need to have an expert witness and even then it would still be difficult to prove.

In a sense, this happens already when two insurance companies/attorneys negotiate settlements. The "state" has its own difficulties. Watch "My Cousin Vinnie" again. Lots of fun.

Periodic inspections are a good idea IMHO, but the interval is in question. Perhaps every time a car is offered for sale which would be new sale, maybe 5-6 years after that, and then, I suspect, more often as used cars get sold or traded more frequently.

[Biggd]

If they eliminate the Safety inspection, then they need to require that registered vehicles have minimum insurance to pay for damage caused to other vehicles, property, or life!
Right now, you can register a vehicle with no proof of insurance and many never get it. If you don't have money to maintain your vehicle then you probably don't have money for insurance.

[Descant]

Originally Posted by Biggd

If they eliminate the Safety inspection, then they need to require that registered vehicles have minimum insurance to pay for damage caused to other vehicles, property, or life!
Right now, you can register a vehicle with no proof of insurance and many never get it. If you don't have money to maintain your vehicle then you probably don't have money for insurance.

When I was in the business there were more uninsured cars in Mass per capita where insurance is required, than in NH where it is personal responsibility.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by Descant

When I was in the business there were more uninsured cars in Mass per capita where insurance is required, than in NH where it is personal responsibility.

I remember those stats from years ago! It was a hard to believe that a state that required insurance had more uninsured motorist per capita than NH where insurance wasn’t a requirement…

Dan

[TomC]

Google says that is still the case: 8.8% for MA. 7.8% for NH... go figure

[Descant]

Originally Posted by TomC

Google says that is still the case: 8.8% for MA. 7.8% for NH... go figure

MA insurance is very expensive, although Rockingham County is catching up. If I hear the TV news correctly, Boston has lots more illegals, so I'd guess that translates to more uninsured cars, more cars without valid registration, more unlicensed drivers, etc etc.

[fatlazyless]

Ford Ranger pick-up, unknown year ..... http://www.imgur.com/gallery/no-vehi...lorida-g6lPcqD ...... "No vehicle inspection in Florida" and "The bodywork is supporting the frame" or something? ..... ha-ha-ha .... !

This old Ranger would get stopped by a N.H. police officer in about five minutes or less ....... "You got to be kidding me! ...... What's up with this car!"

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Descant

When I was in the business there were more uninsured cars in Mass per capita where insurance is required, than in NH where it is personal responsibility.

You can't get a registration without an insurance stamp and most insurance companies require a substantial down payment. I guess you could lapse in payment and by the time it was reported to the registry you could have an accident.
Once the DMV knows you no longer have insurance, when your insurance company notifies them, then your registration becomes invalid.
Now I'm sure there are people driving with no insurance and an invalid registration until they get caught!

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by Biggd

You can't get a registration without an insurance stamp and ......

Surprise, surprise ..... while this is the situation in Massachusetts and many other states, it is NOT the situation in N.H. Here in N.H. one will pay the clerk at local town hall for car registration, walk out the door of town hall with registration and new license plates and whether or not you have car inspected and insured is totally up to you as you walk back to your car.

Cars, car repairs, tires, brakes, gasoline ..... is all VERY expensive. Without the annual N.H. state safety inspection, initiated in N.H. in 1931, there will be an increase in cars driving on the N.H. roads with bad tires and bad brakes and burnt out lights and other safety items like windshield wiper blades and big rust and cracked windshield.

I betcha this bill, HB-649, gets NAYED in the N.H. State Senate which has 24-members.

Nay is an olde expression of negation used in legislative votes and means NO.