Non-OEM battery for lawnmower/

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Down in this forum's marketplace, in Moultonborough, for just $35, there's a Husqvarna push reel, 3-blade lawn mower that uses NO gasoline and NO battery electricity, and it will actually do a cleaner and neater job for mowing your lawn especially when its' 3-blades are sharp.

Hey there SailnAway ...... you can attach a great big sail to this lawn mower ...... and mow the lawn using a sail!

Well FLL, I agreed with you at one time when I was a bleeding-heart tree hugger, so I went out and got a top-of-the line reel mower. Result: it couldn't handle my one acre of lawn and by the end of the season the lawn was ruined. Matter of fact, that was the year the thatch started looking real bad, because the reel mower just sort of flattened anything over a couple of inches high. I'm still a bleeding-heart tree hugger and now want to repent from years of adding gasoline mower fumes to the atmosphere.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Well FLL, I agreed with you at one time when I was a bleeding-heart tree hugger, so I went out and got a top-of-the line reel mower. Result: it couldn't handle my one acre of lawn and by the end of the season the lawn was ruined. Matter of fact, that was the year the thatch started looking real bad, because the reel mower just sort of flattened anything over a couple of inches high. I'm still a bleeding-heart tree hugger and now want to repent from years of adding gasoline mower fumes to the atmosphere.

Well ...... you know what they say ...... that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence ...... which is 'zactly why somebody should build a King Kong style, Farm Island fence to divide the eight and twelve acres of forested 20-acre island land, out on Farm Island as a way to help ease the hostility between neighbors.

Anyway ...... I am getting a wee bit off-topic here ...... so, getting back to mowing a lawn with a rotary cutter blade, lawn mower. Looking at a golf course green or a grass tennis court, the grass is VERY short, very low, like maybe just 1/4" low. So, probably the reel style lawn mowers are intended for high maintenance, closely cut grass like a tennis court or a golf green and not too practical for most all residential lawns.

[SailinAway]

Can anyone comment on the reliability of your battery push lawnmower?

I'm looking at the EGO Power+ LM2101
https://www.amazon.com/EGO-Power-LM2...ct_top?ie=UTF8

Reviews are overwhelmingly positive, but those who have problems report that EGO customer service is terrible. Same for other brands.

Sample review re EGO batteries: "The issue is the batteries. I have 3(2.5 amps) and 1, now 2 (7.5 amps). The first 7.5a lasted right up until the warranty ran out. One of the 2.5a gave out, not long after. Costing about $350 and $150 for each one, that is $500 in replacement cost in 3.5 years." That's not a cost effective machine.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Can anyone comment on the reliability of your battery push lawnmower?

I'm looking at the EGO Power+ LM2101
https://www.amazon.com/EGO-Power-LM2...ct_top?ie=UTF8

Reviews are overwhelmingly positive, but those who have problems report that EGO customer service is terrible. Same for other brands.

Sample review re EGO batteries: "The issue is the batteries. I have 3(2.5 amps) and 1, now 2 (7.5 amps). The first 7.5a lasted right up until the warranty ran out. One of the 2.5a gave out, not long after. Costing about $350 and $150 for each one, that is $500 in replacement cost in 3.5 years." That's not a cost effective machine.

Guy across the street from me has one, and it's pretty cool...if you like taking forever to mow a lawn.

For real, though—were I buying and electric garden tool, I'd be looking very closely at the 60V Greenworks. I've got a weed whacker from them that's pretty impressive, so I'd be likely to keep to one battery system.

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[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Were I buying and electric garden tool, I'd be looking very closely at the 60V Greenworks. I've got a weed whacker from them that's pretty impressive, so I'd be likely to keep to one battery system.

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I'll take a look at Greenworks. At first glance they appear more expensive than EGO for less battery power. I originally wanted a Greenworks corded lawnmower for $200, excellent reviews:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...KIKX0DER&psc=1

But I think the cord would make me crazy. The cord both creates and solves problems.

If the EGO battery dies in 3 years, I wonder if they will have improved battery life by then and possibly lowered the price. The OEM battery is $250. Inferior replacements are about $160.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Well ...... you know what they say ...... that the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence ...... which is 'zactly why somebody should build a King Kong style, Farm Island fence to divide the eight and twelve acres of forested 20-acre island land, out on Farm Island as a way to help ease the hostility between neighbors.

Anyway ...... I am getting a wee bit off-topic here ...... so, getting back to mowing a lawn with a rotary cutter blade, lawn mower. Looking at a golf course green or a grass tennis court, the grass is VERY short, very low, like maybe just 1/4" low. So, probably the reel style lawn mowers are intended for high maintenance, closely cut grass like a tennis court or a golf green and not too practical for most all residential lawns.

No. Reel mowers are adjustable.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

No. Reel mowers are adjustable.

I think FLL was referring to the overall quality of the vegetation and terrain, not the height of the cut. I think a reel mower could work on a small, flat lawn that gets mowed regularly---although when I was growing up we used a reel mower on our two-acre yard and apparently that was OK since it was all we had in those days.

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

I think FLL was referring to the overall quality of the vegetation and terrain, not the height of the cut. I think a reel mower could work on a small, flat lawn that gets mowed regularly---although when I was growing up we used a reel mower on our two-acre yard and apparently that was OK since it was all we had in those days.

I don't think the general public realizes the amount of water and liquid fertilizer that is applied to a golf green... but the reel mower is about the lower impact of the weight on the low cut turfgrass.

[SailinAway]

Can someone please explain the meaning of volts and amps and how they relate to each other? As in, for example, an 80 volt 2 amp battery versus 40 volts 5 amps. Do those terms refer to the power delivered to the arbor or the time capacity of the battery, or both?

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Can someone please explain the meaning of volts and amps and how they relate to each other? As in, for example, an 80 volt 2 amp battery versus 40 volts 5 amps. Do those terms refer to the power delivered to the arbor or the time capacity of the battery, or both?

Voltage is dependent on the appliance needs.
For instance, the DeWalt Flex system allows for the battery to change voltage (lowering or raising the flow of current)... the more ampere/hours that the battery has the longer it will last at each voltage level.

[brk-lnt]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Can someone please explain the meaning of volts and amps and how they relate to each other? As in, for example, an 80 volt 2 amp battery versus 40 volts 5 amps. Do those terms refer to the power delivered to the arbor or the time capacity of the battery, or both?

I think you are technically referring to Ah - Amp-hours, not amps.

Without getting super deep into an EE-level discussion, you can think of volts like strength. More volts will generally equate to more power or ability to do something. All other things being equal, an 18v drill will be able to drill a larger hole than a 12V drill.

Amp-hours is a measure of how long the battery can supply that force for (again, simplifying things here). You might prefer to have a battery/drill than can drill 100 1" holes, instead of a drill that can drill a 4" hole, but only 2 of them before the battery dies.

Ah, or Amp-hours, is a rating of how long a battery can maintain its rated voltage or a given amount of power draw. A 5Ah battery can (theoretically) supply 5 Amps for 1 hour, or 1 amp for 5 hours, or 2.5 amps for 2 hours, etc.

In terms of electricity, Watts is the absolute measure of power, and watts is Volts * Amps. A 12V battery with a 5Ah battery can do more total work than a 24V 1Ah battery, but the peak "work" it would be able to do would be lower, limited by the voltage.

Ah ratings can be a little deceptive, as they ignore battery chemistry. Some batteries can be damaged by an excessive discharge, while others can be drawn down to a lower voltage without damage. So in some cases the Ah rating might be what you can actually expect from the battery, and in other cases it represents a number that would damage the battery if you were to actually try to use all that charge/capacity. The Ah rating is also often at an ideal draw, not maximum output. Kind of like MPG ratings on a car, you get optimum mileage within a narrow band of speed, not if you floor it all the time.

For a given manufacturer or brand of battery, higher Ah ratings will equal longer run times or usage between recharges. But across different brands two batteries both rated as 12V / 3Ah might have very different performance curves in real life.

[magicrobotmonkey]

I'm on my 4th or 5th year with an EGO mower, still on the original battery, still lasts long enough to do my .25 acre... Even lent it to my neighbor to use in his snowblower a few times when his ran out!

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by magicrobotmonkey

I'm on my 4th or 5th year with an EGO mower, still on the original battery, still lasts long enough to do my .25 acre... Even lent it to my neighbor to use in his snowblower a few times when his ran out!

Thank you for that feedback. I have one acre of lawn but I'm happy with a battery that lasts 45 to 60 minutes, like the EGO, because I don't care to mow longer than that anyhow. Plus, a gas mower runs out of gas after about an hour.

[SailinAway]

After doing a lot of research and reading and watching a ton of reviews, it seems to me that at this point in time batteries and electric lawnmowers are not at the point where they are a reliable product and good investment. Reasons:

1. Short run time
2. Short lifespan of battery
3. High cost to replace battery
4. Poor cutting: uneven, poor suction, bogs down in taller grass and weeds
5. Difficulty contact the manufacturer
6. Difficulty getting the manufacturer to honor the warranty

These problems seem typical of a product that hasn't been on the market long enough nor had enough R&D to be reliable. In contrast, I've had my Craftsman gas mower with Briggs and Stratton motor for somewhere between 15 and 20 years. My previous mower had a terrible B&S motor and Sears in Concord replaced it free of charge one year past the warranty because it was a known faulty motor. They didn't even make me file a warranty claim; they just gave me a new mower. The replacement mower has not had a single problem in more than 15 years. I pretty much abuse it. I've only changed the oil about 3 times. Last spark plug replacement was 3 years ago. Air filter ever 3 years. Today it started on the first pull! Granted, I dislike it for all the usual reasons: weight, not self-propelled, storing gas, spilling gas, dealing with plugs and filter, harm to the environment, etc. But it mows through tall, thick vegetation and has been completely reliable all these years and has lost no performance. I've had a similar experience with my gas Husqvarna string trimmer that I've had for 7 years---always starts on the 3rd pull as expected.

The reviews basically say, "A battery-powered lawnmower is pretty good when it works, but you have no idea if it's going to stop working one month or three years from now---they're unpredictable---and when it does stop working, it's going to be a nightmare trying to get it fixed or replaced."

If you think I'm being too harsh and I should give an electric mower a try, please explain. I really want to like these mowers. I just think they're a few years away from being cost effective and reliable.

[John Mercier]

Bad choice of manufacturer.

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

After doing a lot of research and reading and watching a ton of reviews, it seems to me that at this point in time batteries and electric lawnmowers are not at the point where they are a reliable product and good investment. Reasons:

1. Short run time
2. Short lifespan of battery
3. High cost to replace battery
4. Poor cutting: uneven, poor suction, bogs down in taller grass and weeds
5. Difficulty contact the manufacturer
6. Difficulty getting the manufacturer to honor the warranty

These problems seem typical of a product that hasn't been on the market long enough nor had enough R&D to be reliable. In contrast, I've had my Craftsman gas mower with Briggs and Stratton motor for somewhere between 15 and 20 years. My previous mower had a terrible B&S motor and Sears in Concord replaced it free of charge one year past the warranty because it was a known faulty motor. They didn't even make me file a warranty claim; they just gave me a new mower. The replacement mower has not had a single problem in more than 15 years. I pretty much abuse it. I've only changed the oil about 3 times. Last spark plug replacement was 3 years ago. Air filter ever 3 years. Today it started on the first pull! Granted, I dislike it for all the usual reasons: weight, not self-propelled, storing gas, spilling gas, dealing with plugs and filter, harm to the environment, etc. But it mows through tall, thick vegetation and has been completely reliable all these years and has lost no performance. I've had a similar experience with my gas Husqvarna string trimmer that I've had for 7 years---always starts on the 3rd pull as expected.

The reviews basically say, "A battery-powered lawnmower is pretty good when it works, but you have no idea if it's going to stop working one month or three years from now---they're unpredictable---and when it does stop working, it's going to be a nightmare trying to get it fixed or replaced."

If you think I'm being too harsh and I should give an electric mower a try, please explain. I really want to like these mowers. I just think they're a few years away from being cost effective and reliable.

Agree. Own three dyson battery vacs. Going on four years on the original battery on one. The other two have required new batteries. One lasted less then a year. Must say the after market battery on both are better then the original


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[SailinAway]

I felt so motivated by my last post that I went out to mow some more. I hit the stub of a 4" tree and the motor stopped with a loud clang. Some smoke came out of the carburater. I checked the blade---intact. I restarted it and there was a clanging sound, seemed to be coming from the motor rather than the blade. Hmm . . . maybe time to try a battery mower.

[John Mercier]

Probably the same would happen with the batter, the shaft got jarred and there is damage higher up. Could be a collar, bearing, or worse.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Probably the same would happen with the batter, the shaft got jarred and there is damage higher up. Could be a collar, bearing, or worse.

John, I'm guessing that given the age of this mower, it's not worth getting it repaired. What do you think?

[John Mercier]

You could remove the blade and start the mower, if it doesn't clang... then a new blade should keep it going for a while.

Other than that... not worth the amount of parts and labor to replace either with a cheap gas mower or a decent battery if that is what you want.

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

You could remove the blade and start the mower, if it doesn't clang... then a new blade should keep it going for a while.

Other than that... not worth the amount of parts and labor to replace either with a cheap gas mower or a decent battery if that is what you want.

OK, that was interesting. It turns out that the blade is severely bent. I can just imagine what that force did to the motor. The motor wouldn't start without the blade. End of a 19-year relationship.

So, if I use 40 gallons of gas per year at $5 a gallon, that's $200 a year, or $1000 over 5 years, which is the expected lifespan of a battery mower. The mower + a new battery after year 3 would be about $700. Surprisingly, the battery mower may be cheaper at today's gas prices?

I'm leaning toward a non-self-propelled battery mower because they're lighter and simpler (fewer things to go wrong). I do have some hills (grades) on my property but the mower + battery weighs about 60 lbs, so maybe that's manageable. My gas mower was probably about 85 lbs. Any thoughts on non-self-propelled?

[DickR]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

OK, that was interesting. It turns out that the blade is severely bent. I can just imagine what that force did to the motor. The motor wouldn't start without the blade. End of a 19-year relationship....

If you are trashing the mower, can I have it? I have been looking for either a working used push/walk behind mower or at least a frame I can put under my working 5 HP engine. What size is the mower?

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by DickR

If you are trashing the mower, can I have it? I have been looking for either a working used push/walk behind mower or at least a frame I can put under my working 5 HP engine. What size is the mower?

Dick, I'm so sorry, I actually didn't see this post until just now. I put the lawnmower at the end of my driveway at 10 pm on Friday. It was gone when I got up at 6:00 a.m. I would gladly have given it to you. It was a 21".