NH Mask Mandates

[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

If you look on the upper part of your left or right arm, you may see a mark I thought we all, in the USA, have...Smallpox vaccine from our youth. Wasn't that mandated to attend public schools?

I also remember drinking polio vaccines from a little paper cup. Just came into school one day and we ALL had a cup on our desks. No parental notification, nor approval. This was in Massachusetts.

Vaccine requirements (with certain exemptions) to attend school are the norm. Without igniting a forum firestorm, this is primarily why the Covid vaccination resistance is aberrant in its ferocity and scope. It is not basically medical.

https://www.dhhs.nh.gov/dphs/immuniz...hools20-21.pdf

The above link is for NH.

[John Mercier]

Those were FDA approved. The current vaccines are under Emergency Use Authority.

When it changes to FDA approved is when they expect the mandates.

Currently, it isn't authorized for anyone under 12... so it will not be like the smallpox and polio vaccines.

[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Those were FDA approved. The current vaccines are under Emergency Use Authority.

When it changes to FDA approved is when they expect the mandates.

Currently, it isn't authorized for anyone under 12... so it will not be like the smallpox and polio vaccines.

Strictly speaking, you are correct.

If so, then FDA approval should persuade a number of hesitators to vaccinate.

We’ll see.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by SailinAway

Another thing that is very, very aberrant is how many FRIENDS Covid-19 has in the U.S. Nowhere else in the world do you find so many people creating ideal conditions for the spread of a lethal disease.

I heard that the most reluctant Americans left are refreshed with the reminders of "The Tuskegee Airmen".

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Those were FDA approved. The current vaccines are under Emergency Use Authority.

When it changes to FDA approved is when they expect the mandates.

Currently, it isn't authorized for anyone under 12... so it will not be like the smallpox and polio vaccines.

Apparently, that can change:

"...allowing individuals 11 years of age and older to consent to his or her own immunization with a COVID-19 vaccine under an Emergency Use Authorization (EUA), without the approval or consent of a parent or guardian".

https://vax.phila.gov/index.php/noti...fizer-vaccine/

Y'know how smart those 11-years old kids are. 10-year-olds, left out, are irate.

Originally Posted by John Mercier

The platforms are a business. They aren't into politics. So if it causes problems for their advertisers... it will be blocked regardless of what it is.

Unfortunately, only government knows what the truth is.

Y'know what it's called when business allies with government?

To learn from history:
"...he made the trains run on time..."
—Ol' what'z his name...

[John Mercier]

Originally Posted by ApS

I heard that the most reluctant Americans left are refreshed with the reminders of "The Tuskegee Airmen".



Apparently, that can change:


https://vax.phila.gov/index.php/noti...fizer-vaccine/

Y'know how smart those 11-years old kids are. 10-year-olds, left out, are irate.


Unfortunately, only government knows what the truth is.

Y'know what it's called when business allies with government?

To learn from history:
"...he made the trains run on time..."
—Ol' what'z his name...

Business isn't allying with government... Business is allying with their actual customers... you know... the people that pay the bills. We call that CAPITALISM.

And the Tuskegee Airmen were denied a cure for a disease...

But if you are claiming that ''Operation Warp Speed'' was FASCISM... then call it what you must.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

Business isn't allying with government... Business is allying with their actual customers... you know... the people that pay the bills. We call that CAPITALISM.

And the Tuskegee Airmen were denied a cure for a disease...

But if you are claiming that ''Operation Warp Speed'' was *******... then call it what you must.

I'm trying hard to keep my responses understandable without using actual trigger words, such as what appears in your last sentence. Suggesting that be edited-out.

My cardiologist, now retired, has been active in advocacy of effective and cheap Ivermectin. (As previously noted, I'm into Big Pharma, which has no interest in such a penniless cure).

Now, suppose Dr. Boros had been "flagged" at his Facebook page--or worse--put on suspension.

BTW: Some Governors have forbidden the use of the penniless treatment using Ivermectin. Sound right to you?

Y'know he'd be joining a U.S. Senator on Facebook suspension, so we can't glean anything from his experience as an MD--caught up in a pandemic. Recently, he was extremely critical of Dr. Fauci at a Senate hearing, so now he's in the Facebook penalty box. Sound right to you?

Now, for "Operation Warp Speed", the treatments were already long-stored for use. It was merely opening the door to "emergency" distribution that remained.

Are the animal trials finished?

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

I'm trying hard to keep my responses understandable without using actual trigger words, such as what appears in your last sentence. Suggesting that be edited-out.

My cardiologist, now retired, has been active in advocacy of effective and cheap Ivermectin. (As previously noted, I'm into Big Pharma, which has no interest in such a penniless cure).

Now, suppose Dr. Boros had been "flagged" at his Facebook page--or worse--put on suspension.

BTW: Some Governors have forbidden the use of the penniless treatment using Ivermectin. Sound right to you?

Y'know he'd be joining a U.S. Senator on Facebook suspension, so we can't glean anything from his experience as an MD--caught up in a pandemic. Recently, he was extremely critical of Dr. Fauci at a Senate hearing, so now he's in the Facebook penalty box. Sound right to you?

Now, for "Operation Warp Speed", the treatments were already long-stored for use. It was merely opening the door to "emergency" distribution that remained.

Are the animal trials finished?

Tuskegee was a trigger word.

Nobody really paying attention cares what a cardiologist or any of your quack references thinks about infectious disease.

Governors have no control over what doctors prescribe.

Operation Warp Speed has saved millions of people with vaccines that did not exist before.

People who use Facebook instead of newspapers are are likely to end up full of misinformation...as you've illustrated incredibly well.

[John Mercier]

He asked me what it was when government and business ally.
He knew what he was posturing about... just thought by not using the word that he inferences would not be understood.

By the way, Operation Warp Speed really did nothing.
The science could not be sped; and Pfizer... the first out... only got a pre-order should it produce an effective vaccine. It did not get funding prior.

So even without Operation Warp Speed, Pfizer would have produced the vaccine, met the EUA requirements (actually exceeded them by quite a bit) and sold the vaccine.
Without the pre-buy, it would have simple meant the US had to wait in a line ahead of others. But since the vaccine requires unique distribution... most other countries would not, and still cannot, effectively use the supply available.

Neither political party gets credit...

There was no ''long store'' of the vaccine. And an EUA is not that unique, they also did for the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic... though no vaccine was developed, some of the tech used for this one was.

As for the FDA under the last Administration, it also issued an EUA for HCQ, and had to later revoke that one.

The law change in 2013 made the difference on how many different items received EUA during this emergency.

Both parties took the time to realize in 2013 we needed a faster approach to a pandemic, and during this one... both parties - depending on which was sitting in power - have worked against getting the vaccines into arms.

Thanks to the scientists, not so much the politicians.

[Newbiesaukee]

I’m having some difficulty following the conversation.

The Tuskegee Airmen and the Tuskegee Experiment are totally different but are important for very different reasons. I’m not sure why this was brought up but the confusion is a paradigm for the communication issues that go way beyond the Forum.

Facts still matter.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

He asked me what it was when government and business ally.
He knew what he was posturing about... just thought by not using the word that he inferences would not be understood.

By the way, Operation Warp Speed really did nothing.
The science could not be sped; and Pfizer... the first out... only got a pre-order should it produce an effective vaccine. It did not get funding prior.

So even without Operation Warp Speed, Pfizer would have produced the vaccine, met the EUA requirements (actually exceeded them by quite a bit) and sold the vaccine.
Without the pre-buy, it would have simple meant the US had to wait in a line ahead of others. But since the vaccine requires unique distribution... most other countries would not, and still cannot, effectively use the supply available.

Neither political party gets credit...

There was no ''long store'' of the vaccine. And an EUA is not that unique, they also did for the 2009 Swine Flu pandemic... though no vaccine was developed, some of the tech used for this one was.

As for the FDA under the last Administration, it also issued an EUA for HCQ, and had to later revoke that one.

The law change in 2013 made the difference on how many different items received EUA during this emergency.

Both parties took the time to realize in 2013 we needed a faster approach to a pandemic, and during this one... both parties - depending on which was sitting in power - have worked against getting the vaccines into arms.

Thanks to the scientists, not so much the politicians.

The year 2013 was pivotal: It was then that Dr. Fauci wrote that, "The risk of pandemic was worth it in order to fund 'Gain of Function' research". Back when I was in college ROTC, we would have called such research by a known enemy, Biological Warfare. Helping to fund it within a nation ('way over there') would be treasonous! But today is a different "woke"nation.

But we wouldn't have known about "the risk of pandemic" without the release of FOIA email exchanges between Dr. Fauci and his friends in D.C. swamp-bureaucracies. (Fortunately there weren't 30,000 of them).

Originally Posted by Newbiesaukee

I’m having some difficulty following the conversation.

The Tuskegee Airmen and the Tuskegee Experiment are totally different but are important for very different reasons. I’m not sure why this was brought up but the confusion is a paradigm for the communication issues that go way beyond the Forum.

Facts still matter.

Overlooking the emoticon?

"Tuskegee Airmen ( )" was to show from where the "communication issues" had originated.

I caught at least two forum members with my accurate quote! Proper Googling of the quote will assist in resolving your quandary.

"Tuskegee Airman" wasn't as much a trigger word as it was a "phrase-pun". Tuskegee Airmen referenced both WWII heroes and the wrongly-phrased assertion of someone we look to for the clear-headed thinking we demand from leadership.

Operation Warp Speed: Getting the facts straight on OWS...

The media echoed general skepticism about OWS in the Spring of 2020. Vanity Fair in its May 28, 2020 edition characterized OWS "as dangerous and likely to fail." CNN complained that OWS neglected "tried and true" procedures for vaccine development in favor of new and untested methods. A New York Times article dated April 30, 2020 somberly states: "Our record for developing an entirely new vaccine is at least four years - more time than the public or the economy can tolerate social-distancing orders."

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-ho...warp-spGoogle?

Maybe the printed source should be "flagged" and "deplatformed" by Google?

[John Mercier]

Tuskegee was not where it originated.

The implication of the 1976 Swine Flu vaccine is where the hesitation began. Tuskegee had nothing to do with it.

And both sides of the political aisle has played that game.

[ApS]

Look...! A Squirrel...

"Tuskegee Airmen" was a ham-fisted reference--originating from a DC news conference--to "vaccination hestitancy" among minorities.

Listen at C-Span.

[John Mercier]

So explain why you have vaccine hesitancy in NH... is it due to our extremely large minority resident population?

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...c99825990.html

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by John Mercier

So explain why you have vaccine hesitancy in NH... is it due to our extremely large minority resident population?

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...c99825990.html

I guess it's the state motto, "live free or die". Most would rather die than than get the vaccine.

[trfour]

or, Continue to Live Free, and Get Your Vaccine!!

[barefootbay]

Lots of libertarians.

[trfour]

We already know how to save lives, it's about convincing the rest!!

Read; https://www.nhpr.org/coronavirusblog

[ApS]

1) From the NPR article:

"The five deaths brings New Hampshire's overall COVID-19 death toll to 1,402. All five residents were 60 or older, with two from Belknap County, two from Hillsborough, and the fifth person from Sullivan County".

Were NH's deaths due to the lack of vaccinations, or to the administration of them?

'Asking, because this comes on the heels of "23 nursing-home deaths" following US-developed Pfizer vaccine jabs in Norway.
https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/...probe-launched

BTW:
I should correct my up-thread statement, as I don't own Moderna stocks.

2) A most interesting "vaccination bribe":

A recent vaccine, developed in Cuba, will be offered to tourists who visit the island nation and stay (presumably) in Cuba's newest hotels, according to NPR...
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...-covid-vaccine

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

Look...! A Squirrel...

"Tuskegee Airmen" was a ham-fisted reference--originating from a DC news conference--to "vaccination hestitancy" among minorities.

Listen at C-Span.

Yes--I knew that's what you meant when I called you out. As you so often do when discussing vaccines, you introduce all sorts of irrelevant, inflammatory, false stuff, such as implying that the problem is Black people.

Sure, there are some Black people who cant get past injustices out of their heads long enough to get vaccinated. I find this idiotic. But pick any newspaper any day, and you'll see the leaders of the anti vax movement are typically white, conservative, southern. I find these guys idiotic too.

Let's leave race out of it.

[ApS]

The first doctor I heard who was anti-vax, Dr. Zelensko:

"I am still fascinated by the approach of Sweden. They did minimal mitigation (no mask mandate, business allowed to continue except tourism/travel, etc), vaccinated and now, although having another wave, seem to be having a small wave with almost no deaths". https://www.wadeburleson.org/2021/08...jerusalem.html

Originally Posted by LoveLakeLife

Freedom has always been more important than safety to most Americans. “Give me liberty or give me death” was meant literally.

A former California Governor—an Austrian immigrant whose father was in the Wehrmacht—said yesterday,

"Screw your freedom".

Y'suppose he wants The Mandate? The third dose is FDA-approved.

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Yes--I knew that's what you meant when I called you out. As you so often do when discussing vaccines, you introduce all sorts of irrelevant, inflammatory, false stuff, such as implying that the problem is Black people.

Sure, there are some Black people who cant get past injustices out of their heads long enough to get vaccinated. I find this idiotic. But pick any newspaper any day, and you'll see the leaders of the anti vax movement are typically white, conservative, southern. I find these guys idiotic too. Let's leave race out of it.

Your answer to the words found @ 30 seconds? (Following..."They're used to being experimented on...").

https://youtu.be/HCy4eUmlmFA

BTW: I'm vaccinated (and can prove it) so I'm not anti-vax, but a proponent of COVID-19 early treatment and prophylaxis—as my retired-activist Cardiologist is. (And thousands of other doctors worldwide).

Will Silicone Valley and New York City's Millennials run the entire show for us? Tell us what to believe? Omit thought? Forbid access? Ban? Drown-out? De-platform?

Are all these MDs to be continually blocked by "Social Media", as Dr. Rand Paul is?

Example:

[John Mercier]

So pretend your an actual capitalist and start your own platform, and build out the network...

[SailinAway]

Originally Posted by Newbiesaukee

Vaccine requirements (with certain exemptions) to attend school are the norm. Without igniting a forum firestorm, this is primarily why the Covid vaccination resistance is aberrant in its ferocity and scope. It is not basically medical. The above link is for NH.

Another thing that is very, very aberrant is how many FRIENDS Covid-19 has in the U.S. Nowhere else in the world do you find so many people creating ideal conditions for the spread of a lethal disease.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Newbiesaukee

Vaccine requirements (with certain exemptions) to attend school are the norm. Without igniting a forum firestorm, this is primarily why the Covid vaccination resistance is aberrant in its ferocity and scope. It is not basically medical. https://www.dhhs.nh.gov/dphs/immuniz...hools20-21.pdf The above link is for NH.

A friend sent me a link featuring Dr. Dan Stock, MD, addressing an Indiana school board. The video takes six minutes to watch, but this must be the fastest-talking doctor in the US!
https://tinyurl.com/956zspru

I don't seem to have any difficulty understanding his medical position, but was wondering what he might have said that could be "aberrant". (But he does say the CDC with its 21,000 employees, are executing a wrong-headed program, which has been mindlessly copied by Indiana's Health Service).

Many medical doctors who speak "aberrantly" on this subject are de-platformed or otherwise blocked by Google, Linked-In, and/or Twitter. What possible factor, besides "monied-interests" could be responsible? (I learned today that even long-standing and resilient MA resident, Howie Carr has been censored from YouTube).

In disclosure:

1) I am vaccinated with J&J.
2) Upon advice of my brokerage-house, I bought stock this June in each of the three US vaccine-makers. (However, as above, I intend to express thoughts critical of "emergency" Covid-19 vaccines).

[John Mercier]

The platforms are a business. They aren't into politics.
So if it causes problems for their advertisers... it will be blocked regardless of what it is.