Living Wages vs minimum wages

[baygo]

You’re traveling on the road and stop for dinner. You sit down and it takes 45 minutes for the waiter to take your order, even though he looked at you six times while sending text messages on his phone. He took your order and got it all wrong. Delivered your food to the wrong table. Neglected to bath that day. Started yelling at you and called you ugly. How much will you tip?

We would all live in a better world if we focused on imposing a minimum effort policy opposed to a minimum wage.

Among one of the recent bills is the introduction of a change to unemployment policies. An employee must be fired or laid off to collect benefits today. If passed it will soon be acceptable for people to collect up to 75% of their earnings if they quit their job. A whole generation of snowflakes will quit because their feelings got hurt when criticized for not doing a good job.

As an employer are you willing to gamble the training wage on a person as well as take on the responsibility of paying their unemployment if it doesn’t work out? And if that training wage goes up by mandate?

[BroadHopper]

I actually had a conversation with a man who for decades will only work long enough to collect unemployment. Because of his color, it would be difficult to fire him for his laziness, so it is more convenient to lay him off. This man will hop from state to state when the state department gets wise to his ways.

At one time you can only draw unemployment if you were laid off. If you were fired there are certain situations for unemployment. Once you are collecting you need to prove you are actively seeking work and applying applications. At times there will be classes to attend. This is the way it is supposed to work.

States vary how one can collect. Some are strict, some not. California used to be a real pansy, not sure now. States also vary on how they payout. I used to work in Nashua. It's a known fact that NH has a maximum payment well below Massachusets. Many folks choose to live in Mass and work in NH because of this.

Orientation and training is a big expense in any industry. Plus the HR expense of hiring a new employee. The new bill will create a huge headache for the employer when one knows he can easily collect unemployment.

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

I actually had a conversation with a man who for decades will only work long enough to collect unemployment. Because of his color, it would be difficult to fire him for his laziness, so it is more convenient to lay him off. This man will hop from state to state when the state department gets wise to his ways.

At one time you can only draw unemployment if you were laid off. If you were fired there are certain situations for unemployment. Once you are collecting you need to prove you are actively seeking work and applying applications. At times there will be classes to attend. This is the way it is supposed to work.

States vary how one can collect. Some are strict, some not. California used to be a real pansy, not sure now. States also vary on how they payout. I used to work in Nashua. It's a known fact that NH has a maximum payment well below Massachusets. Many folks choose to live in Mass and work in NH because of this.

Orientation and training is a big expense in any industry. Plus the HR expense of hiring a new employee. The new bill will create a huge headache for the employer when one knows he can easily collect unemployment.

A few comments: 1) I know/have known several people not of a “color” who have done the same thing. 2) Up until a few years ago (don’t know what it is like now) it didn’t make sense for an employer in Massachusetts to fight an unemployment claim. If you did you would lose regardless of the circumstances. 3) I don’t think you can claim unemployment in a state where you live if you didn’t work there because your employer hasn’t paid into the state where you live’s unemployment insurance fund. I lived in MA, worked in NH and had to claim in NH when laid off. About 200/wk less than MA based on my salary.

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[jeffk]

Originally Posted by baygo

... Among one of the recent bills is the introduction of a change to unemployment policies. An employee must be fired or laid off to collect benefits today. If passed it will soon be acceptable for people to collect up to 75% of their earnings if they quit their job. A whole generation of snowflakes will quit because their feelings got hurt when criticized for not doing a good job. ...

We got rid of welfare and since then people have been working hard to reinstate it in different ways; SSI payments for example.

The above bill would allow someone to work briefly, quit, and let the state (US) take care of them. It is a modified form of welfare and it is destructive to society since, as pointed out, some people won't work unless they HAVE to.

Some are worried that extended COVID benefits are encouraging some not to go back to work, even though they now could.

As a society, how many times do we have to do stupid stuff before we JUST SAY NO.

[Flylady]

Unemployment, rules and amounts paid are regulated at the state level. I have seen that the requirements and payments vary by state to state. I have yet to hear of a state paying benefits to an employee who resigned from their position.

[baygo]

Originally Posted by Flylady

Unemployment, rules and amounts paid are regulated at the state level. I have seen that the requirements and payments vary by state to state. I have yet to hear of a state paying benefits to an employee who resigned from their position.

The current administration is attempting to bring more things under the umbrella of federal control. I believe it’s the “family plan” a $1,900,000,000,000 bill that includes revisions to how unemployment benefits are handled.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by baygo

The current administration is attempting to bring more things under the umbrella of federal control. I believe it’s the “family plan” a $1,900,000,000,000 bill that includes revisions to how unemployment benefits are handled.

Please don't tell them what comes after Trillions!