Wolfeboro Dock Expansion

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

I need to get a copy of your schedule, as clearly I am timing my trips wrong,,,

Most times we visit are just after lunch, 2 o'clock or so, weekdays and weekends. Sure, there's a wait sometimes but not nearly enough to make a big deal about it and, were there much more docking, I wouldn't want to be in the crowds anyway. As it is, once the docks are full on a nice day, everything's a wait, and I just can't imagine how cluttered it would be with more.

I guess it's my same philosophy as at sand bars.

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[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Most times we visit are just after lunch, 2 o'clock or so, weekdays and weekends. Sure, there's a wait sometimes but not nearly enough to make a big deal about it and, were there much more docking, I wouldn't want to be in the crowds anyway. As it is, once the docks are full on a nice day, everything's a wait, and I just can't imagine how cluttered it would be with more.

I guess it's my same philosophy as at sand bars.

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If you added docking, for even another 20 boats, and every boat had an average of 4 people onboard it would only add about 80 people in the downtown area. (and some people will just be sitting on their boats)

It was stated that there are roughly 125 businesses within walking distance of the docks. I don't think adding less than one person per business will have any significant impact.

Originally Posted by XCR-700

I need to get a copy of your schedule, as clearly I am timing my trips wrong,,,

I agree. 8 out of 10 times when I go to Wolfeboro there is a significant wait.

PS. XCR Please stop posting that cartoon. Three times in this thread is enough and it adds nothing to the discussion.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

If you added docking, for even another 20 boats, and every boat had an average of 4 people onboard it would only add about 80 people in the downtown area. (and some people will just be sitting on their boats)

It was stated that there are roughly 125 businesses within walking distance of the docks. I don't think adding less than one person per business will have any significant impact.


I agree. 8 out of 10 times when I go to Wolfeboro there is a significant wait.

PS. XCR Please stop posting that cartoon. Three times in this thread is enough and it adds nothing to the discussion.

How many businesses are people actually going to? I'm confident boaters aren't floating up to the docks to hit up the real estate office. It's probably more like 20 restaurants, ice cream stands, and clothing shops.

And my concern isn't just the downtown crowd, but the docks themselves. As someone above mentioned, Meredith has a bunch and they still have a wait—more docks = more interest—at prime time, there will always be a wait.

I'm of the "expanding things isn't always the solution" crowd. Lord knows how town, state, and national parks got destroyed this year from expanded use.

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[tis]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

How many businesses are people actually going to? I'm confident boaters aren't floating up to the docks to hit up the real estate office. It's probably more like 20 restaurants, ice cream stands, and clothing shops.

And my concern isn't just the downtown crowd, but the docks themselves. As someone above mentioned, Meredith has a bunch and they still have a wait—more docks = more interest—at prime time, there will always be a wait.

I'm of the "expanding things isn't always the solution" crowd. Lord knows how town, state, and national parks got destroyed this year from expanded use.

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I agree with you that it would be interesting to see how much and how many businesses actually benefit from the boats docking and also agree that there would still be a wait no matter how many docks they add. I imagine the Yum Yum and Black's and the restaurants, ice cream, and hotdogs stands are the biggest benefactors. Sure, people might buy clothes etc. but not every weekend.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by tis

I agree with you that it would be interesting to see how much and how many businesses actually benefit from the boats docking and also agree that there would still be a wait no matter how many docks they add. I imagine the Yum Yum and Black's and the restaurants, ice cream, and hotdogs stands are the biggest benefactors. Sure, people might buy clothes etc. but not every weekend.

Actually my wife and her guests hit virtually every clothing shop in Wolfeboro when we are there and even the shoe store by the bridge!

Lat summer one of our guests bought a large picture at one of the galleries and we hauled that damn thing around i the boat all day, it was kinda funny.

My wife is especially fond of the Martin gallery, but we do stop by several other non-clothing stores on most trips. Not saying we fill the boat each trip, but our guests have had items shipped to home and the local shops are always a pleasure to work with. Always friendly and helpful, as opposed to similar shops in big cities where you always get a cold vibe and they seem put out if you dont end up buying anything.

We LOVE Wolfeboro as a stop by boat, it might be our favorite destination on the lake.

[tis]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Actually my wife and her guests hit virtually every clothing shop in Wolfeboro when we are there and even the shoe store by the bridge!

Lat summer one of our guests bought a large picture at one of the galleries and we hauled that damn thing around i the boat all day, it was kinda funny.

My wife is especially fond of the Martin gallery, but we do stop by several other non-clothing stores on most trips. Not saying we fill the boat each trip, but our guests have had items shipped to home and the local shops are always a pleasure to work with. Always friendly and helpful, as opposed to similar shops in big cities where you always get a cold vibe and they seem put out if you dont end up buying anything.

We LOVE Wolfeboro as a stop by boat, it might be our favorite destination on the lake.

But they don't buy clothes or paintings every weekend. I'm not saying boaters don't buy, I am just saying you can only buy so many clothes in a week. It's not as much of a repeat thing as donuts and food.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by tis

But they don't buy clothes or paintings every weekend. I'm not saying boaters don't buy, I am just saying you can only buy so many clothes in a week. It's not as much of a repeat thing as donuts and food.

No argument here, its a smorgasbord, a little bit of everything.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

How many businesses are people actually going to? I'm confident boaters aren't floating up to the docks to hit up the real estate office. It's probably more like 20 restaurants, ice cream stands, and clothing shops.

And my concern isn't just the downtown crowd, but the docks themselves. As someone above mentioned, Meredith has a bunch and they still have a wait—more docks = more interest—at prime time, there will always be a wait.

I'm of the "expanding things isn't always the solution" crowd. Lord knows how town, state, and national parks got destroyed this year from expanded use.

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Actually we look at as many real estate offices as we can on each trip and bring friends and show them what they could have if they relocated to the Winnipesaukee area. Granted many people are not interested in water access to real estate offices, but I really enjoy visiting them and considering the possibilities.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

PS. XCR Please stop posting that cartoon. Three times in this thread is enough and it adds nothing to the discussion.

Is it equal to or more annoying than the posts by FLL ;-)

[Descant]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Is it equal to or more annoying than the posts by FLL ;-)

Much much much more annoying.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by Descant

Much much much more annoying.

GOOD, then I hope it is effective.

Its really hard to find a way to one up someone intent on being really annoying, but when you do its very satisfying.

I only hope it has some limited effect. I dont expect much, but anything will satisfy me.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by XCR-700

Is it equal to or more annoying than the posts by FLL ;-)

You know that a 14' v-hull open boat will have three thwarts or bench seats, so is very doable to install six oar locks with six wood oars for a total of three rowers to row the boat ...... all together now ...... gently across Lake Winipesaukee ..... row, row, row.

The real problem with this shortage of public dock space is NOT that the docks are too small. The real problem here is that the boats are too BIG.

A 14' v-hull open boat is perfectly capable to go anywhere on the lake, and can be either rowed by two or three, or motored by one. Is a little large for one person to row except for a short distance but it is good to row for two or three.

A 14' v-hull aluminum boat with nothing in it including no motor attached and no gasoline tank weighs about 225-lbs for just the boat. It measures 14'2' x 5'2"-transom with a mid-section beam of 5'6" and has three thwart seats.

Not only is it relatively easy to dock it at a crowded public dock, it gives the boaters the good health benefits or ROWING ....... something you do not get with a 27' motor boat. ......

[tis]

Well they did vote to spend $300,000 + to repair them and that is being done now.

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

You know that a 14' v-hull open boat will have three thwarts or bench seats, so is very doable to install six oar locks with six wood oars for a total of three rowers to row the boat ...... all together now ...... gently across Lake Winipesaukee ..... row, row, row.

The real problem with this shortage of public dock space is NOT that the docks are too small. The real problem here is that the boats are too BIG.

A 14' v-hull open boat is perfectly capable to go anywhere on the lake, and can be either rowed by two or three, or motored by one. Is a little large for one person to row except for a short distance but it is good to row for two or three.

A 14' v-hull aluminum boat with nothing in it including no motor attached and no gasoline tank weighs about 225-lbs for just the boat. It measures 14'2' x 5'2"-transom with a mid-section beam of 5'6" and has three thwart seats.

Not only is it relatively easy to dock it at a crowded public dock, it gives the boaters the good health benefits or ROWING ....... something you do not get with a 27' motor boat. ......

I suppose I could liken it to typing nonsensical posts, maybe we should limit all posts to 256 characters and one post per day.

But then I think all that typing some people do might be good exercise and it helps boost their total number of posts while burning more calories to help control "fat-headedness" so maybe we should just allow them to keep posting as someone must be the biggest blowhard and in order to maintain that status they need to maintain their health so typing may be part of their workout.

In the end, only those stupid enough to read such peoples posts AND respond to them are are suffering and its truly a self-imposed injury, as said by the idiot responding ;-)

Now I must move on to try to save the world from some other social injustices.

For Duty and Humanity!

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Most times we visit are just after lunch, 2 o'clock or so, weekdays and weekends. Sure, there's a wait sometimes but not nearly enough to make a big deal about it and, were there much more docking, I wouldn't want to be in the crowds anyway. As it is, once the docks are full on a nice day, everything's a wait, and I just can't imagine how cluttered it would be with more.

I guess it's my same philosophy as at sand bars.

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We often try to go to Meredith, Wolfeboro or Alton Bay for lunch, arriving on a weekday between 11:30 - 1:00 and of all the towns we visit, even during the middle of the week, we never find dock space in Wolfeboro without a wait. If the wait is too long, we give up and take our business somewhere else. If Wolfeboro and its residents and businesses dont care about a few customers taking their shopping and lunch dollars somewhere else, I guess I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either, as we can always just bring our food with us and drop anchor and still enjoy the lake without emptying our wallets. I'm good either way, it really wont have a huge impact on me, it just seems like a loss for everyone that you have a means by which to generate revenue and chose not to capitalize on it. As they say, it is what it is,,,