M’boro Dump Disaster

[Major]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

So, what's happening at the transfer stations?

At the Laconia Transfer Station, no masks are required, thankfully.

[rsmlp]

To even suggest that masks are not efficacious in reducing the spread of a VIRUS is either utterly stupid or ignorant-you pick.

[Major]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

To even suggest that masks are not efficacious in reducing the spread of a VIRUS is either utterly stupid or ignorant-you pick.

I am merely relying on Dr. Fraud's first statement regarding the efficacy of mask.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Major

I am merely relying on Dr. Fraud's first statement regarding the efficacy of mask.

Why do they even wear them in hospitals if they are not effective?

[Major]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Why do then even wear them in hospitals if they are not effective?

I guess to protect doctors. However, patients don't wear them. I've had several operations and never had to wear a mask. You would have to concede that a person walking next to you at a grocery store is a far cry from a doctor or a dentist placing their head within a foot or so from a patient's body. It's apples and oranges.

I've used the comparison before, but masks are merely a feel good measure, much like metal detectors at airports.

[Garcia]

An explanation of the mask controversy and Dr. Fauci's conflicting advice.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/ou...ut-of-context/

No masks at my dump, but no lines, crowds, or workers either. My feeling is the more people wear them, the quicker things reopen. I'm willing to do so, even if it is the government telling me what to do. The alternative of protesting, not wearing one, and getting upset about it seems counter productive to what I want - more things to open back up. In an area like the Lakes Region that draws in lots of people from all over, I would think businesses, people in the hospitality trade, and anyone who wants things to open up quickly would be wearing masks and encouraging others to do so. Anything to prevent a spike occurring in July or August, leading to things closing back up again.

As to the traffic backup described, it does seem like expanding hours, encouraging more efficiency (my dump can be a place where people linger), and looking at ways to streamline the process would be beneficial.

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by Major

I am merely relying on Dr. Fraud's first statement regarding the efficacy of mask.

If you call him "Dr. Fraud", why are you taking his advice?

I think he was lying and trying to preserve the supply for healthcare workers, avoiding a hoarding.

I believe he was intentionally dishonest in this one regard.

[Jan]

Originally Posted by rsmlp

To even suggest that masks are not efficacious in reducing the spread of a VIRUS is either utterly stupid or ignorant-you pick.

Fauci on masks just 2 months ago. Was he utterly stupid or just ignorant?:

[Major]

Originally Posted by Jan

Fauci on masks just 2 months ago. Was he utterly stupid or just ignorant?:

I was looking for that! The left is now saying that Dr. Fraud was taken out of context. Just like Joe Biden with Charlemagne tha god. You can't make this stuff up. Rewriting history as we speak.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Major

I was looking for that! The left is now saying that Dr. Fraud was taken out of context. Just like Joe Biden with Charlemagne tha god. You can't make this stuff up. Rewriting history as we speak.

I'm surprised you believe anything this doctor says but that's the "cherry picking" process going on here.
At the time that he said that there was a shortage of N95 masks and he was trying to prevent a run on them to protect the supply for doctors and nurses.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I'm surprised you believe anything this doctor says but that's the "cherry picking" process going on here.
At the time that he said that there was a shortage of N95 masks and he was trying to prevent a run on them to protect the supply for doctors and nurses.

I don't believe anything he says. That's the point. He's a lifelong government hack whose best interest is to create hysteria among the masses. The NIAID will have no shortage of funding for the next twenty years because of this nonsense.

[Billy Bob]

Originally Posted by Major

I don't believe anything he says. That's the point. He's a lifelong government hack whose best interest is to create hysteria among the masses. The NIAID will have no shortage of funding for the next twenty years because of this nonsense.

Major seems to think everyone in government is involved in a massive plot to subvert our rights . This guy can’t be legit. No one could have views this off base.

[jbolty]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

Major seems to think everyone in government is involved in a massive plot to subvert our rights . This guy can’t be legit. No one could have views this off base.

When is the last time a right was taken away or a government power expanded and it was later reversed?

[Major]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

Major seems to think everyone in government is involved in a massive plot to subvert our rights . This guy can’t be legit. No one could have views this off base.

I believe and live every word that I have written. And the dirty little secret is that most of America believes as I do. We are a silent majority.

[Susie Cougar]

The coronavirus is something brand new that we have never had experience with before. Like anything else, the more information we get, the better decisions and choices we can make.
Two months ago, it was uncertain how the virus was being transmitted. The thought, at that time, was that it was most likely that if we touch something that someone else touched who was infected and didn’t wash our hands and then touched our face , we would get the virus.
Now, after being able to study this virus for over two months, we are being told that it is transmitted by droplets in the air that we are expelling as we are breathing as well as talking.
I don’t understand why people are still debating at this point whether or not we should be wearing masks. The people that choose not to follow recommendations at this point are the ones that are causing the economy to be in the terrible condition that it is in.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

The people that choose not to follow recommendations at this point are the ones that are causing the economy to be in the terrible condition that it is in.

I think this statement is patently wrong. The economy wouldn't be in terrible condition if we didn't intentionally destroy it. Heard immunity seems like a much better approach. As previously stated, this is a disastrous social experiment.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Major

I think this statement is patently wrong. The economy wouldn't be in terrible condition if we didn't intentionally destroy it. Heard immunity seems like a much better approach. As previously stated, this is a disastrous social experiment.

"Heard immunity", "every man for himself", "only the strong will survive", "thinning the heard", It's sad state of affairs that there are people in our country that think this way.

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by Biggd

"Heard immunity", "every man for himself", "only the strong will survive", "thinning the heard", It's sad state of affairs that there are people in our country that think this way.

Many of us think this way. It’s unfortunate that you must have others think for you and protect you and your family. Some would label you a burden on society


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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Many of us think this way. It’s unfortunate that you must have others think for you and protect you and your family. Some would label you a burden on society


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I'm sure you're labeling me as a burden on society even though I worked and paid my dues to for over 50 years. Yes, it's just disgraceful of me to want to stay healthy.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Biggd

"Heard immunity", "every man for himself", "only the strong will survive", "thinning the heard", It's sad state of affairs that there are people in our country that think this way.

You are describing life. Heard immunity works. (See Sweden.)

In life it is every man for himself. No one owes you a thing. We are not all in this together. Those who have lost their jobs or their businesses have sacrificed more than most. (And do not give me the crack about lives lost. One life is too many, but let's face it if you are relatively young and in decent health it is almost statistically impossible to die from Chinese coronavirus.) Those who have government jobs haven't sacrificed one bit.

In life the strong (whether judged by health, smartness, drive, ambition) do succeed at a higher level.

No one ever said there's a benefit to thinning the herd. That's hyperbole I guess.

[Seaplane Pilot]

This judge in Illinois hit the nail on the head:

https://www.thevillagersvoice.com/ju...fternoon-case/

Amen, Judge McHaney.

[coolyourjets]

Originally Posted by Major

You are describing life. Heard immunity works. (See Sweden.)

That's just factually incorrect. See below. And they are nowhere close to the goal at the and of May. They are struggling with this and on top of that, they are still not sure that having contracted the disease is a guarantee that a person becomes immune.

Despite its relaxed response, Sweden is nowhere near to hitting that goal. Tests on 1,118 Stockholm residents carried out by Sweden's Public Health Agency over one week in late April showed that only 7.3% had developed the antibodies needed to stave off the disease.

[Major]

Originally Posted by coolyourjets

That's just factually incorrect. See below. And they are nowhere close to the goal at the and of May. They are struggling with this and on top of that, they are still not sure that having contracted the disease is a guarantee that a person becomes immune.

Despite its relaxed response, Sweden is nowhere near to hitting that goal. Tests on 1,118 Stockholm residents carried out by Sweden's Public Health Agency over one week in late April showed that only 7.3% had developed the antibodies needed to stave off the disease.

Test conducted in April fail to prove your point. Depending on who reports, Sweden is a success story. I can reference stories touting Sweden's success. I am sure you can find countless stories from leftwing media hacks that Sweden is an all out disaster, people dying in the streets, etc. At the end of the day, Sweden's death rate will most likely mimic the rest of the world, and they didn't destroy their economy to do it.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Major

Test conducted in April fail to prove your point. Depending on who reports, Sweden is a success story. I can reference stories touting Sweden's success. I am sure you can find countless stories from leftwing media hacks that Sweden is an all out disaster, people dying in the streets, etc. At the end of the day, Sweden's death rate will most likely mimic the rest of the world, and they didn't destroy their economy to do it.

All the stories from the left are by media hacks but all the stories from the right are from reputable sources, according to you?

[Major]

Originally Posted by Biggd

All the stories from the left are by hacks but all the stories from the right are reputable, according to you?

Two words -- "Russian Collusion." I rest my case.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Major

Two words -- "Russian Collusion." I rest my case.

Finally something we agree on. They totally manipulated our election process!

[Major]

This is beginning to feel like a social experiment gone awry.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Major

I don't believe anything he says. That's the point. He's a lifelong government hack whose best interest is to create hysteria among the masses. The NIAID will have no shortage of funding for the next twenty years because of this nonsense.

Of course you don't!
You don't believe anything that doesn't fit your agenda.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Of course you don't!
You don't believe anything that doesn't fit your agenda.

And YOU DO? Come on...

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

And YOU DO? Come on...

My only agenda is to stay healthy. If that means staying at home or wearing a mask then so be it.
I'm retired so this is no financial burden or civil liberties burden on me.
Do I want things to open back up? Sure I do but safely.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Biggd

My only agenda is to stay healthy. If that means staying at home or wearing a mask then so be it.
I'm retired so this is no financial burden or civil liberties burden on me.
Do I want things to open back up? Sure I do but safely.

And there my friends is the rub. I got mine. I'm all set. So what if the life of a guy who spent the last 20 years building a business or career is destroyed in a nanosecond. So what if a young man or woman graduating from college cannot find a job. So what if a person struggling with life for one reason or another is forced not to work and stay at home and becoming more and more depressed. So what if a mother (or in some cases a father) is forced to quit their jobs to stay at home with the children. Let's destroy millions upon millions of lives for let's face it from a statistical standpoint is a really bad (perhaps historically bad) flu year. My dad is 75 and a cancer survivor. My mom is 76 and has advanced COPD. Both would rather sacrifice their lives for fulfillment of their children's and grandchildren's future. They, like me, believe this is nonsense, and completely and utterly selfish of the older generation who is making all of the decisions.

But who cares, I'm financially fine.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Major

And there my friends is the rub. I got mine. I'm all set. So what if the life of a guy who spent the last 20 years building a business or career is destroyed in a nanosecond. So what if a young man or woman graduating from college cannot find a job. So what if a person struggling with life for one reason or another is forced not to work and stay at home and becoming more and more depressed. So what if a mother (or in some cases a father) is forced to quit their jobs to stay at home with the children. Let's destroy millions upon millions of lives for let's face it from a statistical standpoint is a really bad (perhaps historically bad) flu year. My dad is 75 and a cancer survivor. My mom is 76 and has advanced COPD. Both would rather sacrifice their lives for fulfillment of their children's and grandchildren's future. They, like me, believe this is nonsense, and completely and utterly selfish of the older generation who is making all of the decisions.

But who cares, I'm financially fine.

I've been around a long time and have been though many tough times. But nice spin!

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by Major

I don't believe anything he says. That's the point. He's a lifelong government hack whose best interest is to create hysteria among the masses. The NIAID will have no shortage of funding for the next twenty years because of this nonsense.

Absolutely...and Gates is his "bird of a feather"