Bill Gates said " it will be"

[SAMIAM]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

Trevor Noah of The Daily Show did a 22 minute interview Bill Gates on April 2. The YouTube recording is here https://youtu.be/iyFT8qXcOrM The topic of his prediction comes up almost right away.

The interview gave me good insight about what has to be done, how long it will take and what things will be like till then. Gates goes into the nuances of the problem, not just the sound bites or the same old stuff we've been hearing for a month. A few points that I took from the interview.....

There isn't a choice between lives and the economy. Regulations or not, as of now, 80% of people will choose to not mingle. The other 20% can't support the economy.

If we went back to normal (imagine concerts and sporting events), the virus would go back to doubling every 3 days.

People won't be fully comfortable until after vaccines are available. Global comfort will require global distribution. Gates predicts this will start in 12-18 months and finish within a few years. I hope his models are conservative.

Test results within 24 hours, is key to starting back towards normal. This will prevent exponential growth. There is a lot of work being done here and results should be accelerating by early summer. Crowded events will still not be common.

Most governments don't know or aren't efficient enough to ramp up the testing and vaccine manufacturing process quickly, which is why the Gates foundation stepped in to hasten the bootstrap. Gates believes that government funding will ramp up vaccine volume once the right tests and drugs are proven. He mentions that a few billion invested to save a trillion is worth it. His laugh is priceless as he explains that a trillion is 1000 billion.

Masks will likely be commonplace, once manufacturing catches up.

Some countries, especially third world, will be shunned until they make it through the process of distributing the vaccine (where 1-3% of the population will still catch it) or herd immunity (60-80% need to catch it).

For me, the nuances and Gates' deep experience is what makes this interview worth watching. He's a rich guy with a passion about epidemics and global health in general. While Bill Gates had my ire while he was a ruthless business person at Microsoft, I have a lot of respect and trust in what he is doing now.

Bill Gates has a relationship with Monsanto and supports GMO's
I think I'd be wary of a vaccine that he has a hand in developing, considering his views on depopulating the planet

[ApS]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Bill Gates has a relationship with Monsanto and supports GMO's. I think I'd be wary of a vaccine that he has a hand in developing, considering his views on depopulating the planet

I'd quoted this Army doctor earlier under this topic's single Poll--by Lake Geezer, IIRC.

The doctor's back again today--with THIS:

"I had never heard of this “Gain of Function” research but add that to “escaped from containment” and suddenly the entire thing becomes clear. This virus in NOT from Nature. It is a manipulated “Gain of Function” virus. Not found in nature. Which is why it is quantum levels above contagiousness and lethality over “wild Coronavirus” which, as my old text books said, “not felt to represent significant clinical disease.”

My reading about “Gain of Function” Research has pretty well convinced me this is a manipulated virus. Perhaps not an “engineered bioweapon” but a “Super Bug” created as a research tool. A tool realized to be SO dangerous we had a moratorium on research with it here from 2016 until 2019. Research that curiously now we discover to be funded by Bill Gates and George Soros (and the nIH, of course).

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

I'd quoted this Army doctor earlier under this topic's single Poll--by Lake Geezer, IIRC.

The doctor's back again today--with THIS:

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stUZ5Ehfo28

[ApS]

Being unfamiliar with the aforementioned doctor's term, I Googled "Gain of Function" and found the US ban against laboratory tampering with dangerous flu strains has expired.

Can we guess when?

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?

The good doctor (his posting history states he started in 1998) is "at it again" today:

"It actually makes perfect sense when you think about it. Coronaviruses usually can’t cause “significant human disease”. Since this is a “Gain of Function” Super Bug made in a lab now it’s in the wild it is already attenuating. It sounds like the CFR in January in China was a lot higher than 5%. So at 1 generation a day in about 100 generations it has already lost a lot of it’s “punch”. It “might” keep attenuating right down to the usual “native” lethality of Coronavirus which is “wimp”. IOW this may be why they felt they could “play” with this bug, it’s a wimp. Who knows? Another 100 generations and the CFR could be half what it is now. And again as much in another 100 generations. It ain’t the “world killer” but it is one hell of a wake up".

He "writes" and "sounds" like a medical doctor, said "Army-doctor" earlier—and left this:

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

Being unfamiliar with the aforementioned doctor's term, I Googled "Gain of Function" and found the US ban against laboratory tampering with dangerous flu strains has expired.

Can we guess when?


The good doctor (his posting history states he started in 1998) is "at it again" today:



He "writes" and "sounds" like a medical doctor, said "Army-doctor" earlier—and left this:

As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

[TheProfessor]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

Have to agree. Or maybe joking.

Reminds of the skit where John Cleese is attempting to get a fishing license for his pet fish named Eric.

"I am not a Loonie".

FISHING LICENSE

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

Impossible, can't be done by a semi-truck.

You might be thinking of the original so-called "cannonball run."

Brock Yates and Dan Gurney drove a Ferrari Daytona coupe cross country

in a hair less than 36 hours.

They averaged 80 miles per hour and, on one deserted stretch, reached a top

speed of 172 miles per hour.

They made it from Manhattan to Redondo Beach, Calif., in 35 hours and 54 minutes.

Thanks to the this year's virus and empty roadways, the record is now just 25 hours.

("Unofficial").

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

If we weren't supposed to be in isolation, I'd say you really need to get out more. How can you believe drivel from an unnamed "doctor" spouting paranoid conspiracy theories about people who have absolutely zero history of or incentive to conspire?

Since nothing specific was part of the above question, I suspect this paragraph is in contention for "drivel"?

"Perhaps not an “engineered bioweapon” but a “Super Bug” created as a research tool. A tool realized to be SO dangerous we had a moratorium on research with it here from 2016 until 2019. Research that curiously now we discover to be funded by Bill Gates and George Soros (and the nIH, of course)".

I'd already opined (earlier) that the U.S. taxpayer had a part in developing the COVID-19 virus. Now it's seen that as fact.

So—which part is "drivel"?

[Biggd]

ApS is giving FLL a run for his money!

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by Biggd

ApS is giving FLL a run for his money!

Dare I say that's embarrassing to FLL!

[ApS]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

New York Times: Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epstein...

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/...stein-meetings

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by ApS

New York Times: Bill Gates met with Jeffrey Epstein...

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/12/...stein-meetings

From Flying Scott- As another poster recently opined--it's difficult to know if you are confused or intentionally spreading misinformation

Someone tells someone else that I know you (even though only through this forum), which I don't.

If/when it got published (by you?), will/should I be shunned?

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by ApS

Being unfamiliar with the aforementioned doctor's term, I Googled "Gain of Function" and found the US ban against laboratory tampering with dangerous flu strains has expired.

Can we guess when?

The good doctor (his posting history states he started in 1998) is "at it again" today:

He "writes" and "sounds" like a medical doctor, said "Army-doctor" earlier—and left this:

What... what are you trying to say to help people with this confusing message?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

What... what are you trying to say to help people with this confusing message?

CONTEXT?

Noticed member Flying Scot has opted-out from the opinion of a U.S. Army doctor?

Start over at post #64 -- skip the noise about crossing the continent at high speed.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by ApS

CONTEXT?

Noticed member Flying Scot has opted-out from the opinion of a U.S. Army doctor?

Start over at post #64 -- skip the noise about crossing the continent at high speed.

Whoa! Do not take my silence as acquiescence. A couple of posters on other threads have very rightly pointed out the need for us to be kind and not dwell on the negative. I'm trying to do that.

But since you called me out--I continue to hold the opinion that you are either very confused as a person or trying to confuse other people. It appears that you are unable to filter/understand things you read on the internet, and you regularly pass on misinformation. Your recent BS innuendo on Angela Merkel, for example.

On this particular point--I posted above that you were wrong to cite an unnamed doctor. You are just as wrong to assert the doctor is reliable on COVID-19 simply because he is in the Army.

Unfortunately, too many people and organizations have been using fake experts to try to refute actual experts. You may have seen pop psychologist Dr Phil on TV as an "expert" trying to counter Dr Fauci, as one recent example. This is very dangerous--we need real experts to debate each other with facts, analysis, and logic, not TV personalities try to persuade with their personalities.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Whoa! Do not take my silence as acquiescence. A couple of posters on other threads have very rightly pointed out the need for us to be kind and not dwell on the negative. I'm trying to do that. But since you called me out--I continue to hold the opinion that you are either very confused as a person or trying to confuse other people. It appears that you are unable to filter/understand things you read on the internet, and you regularly pass on misinformation. Your recent BS innuendo on Angela Merkel, for example. On this particular point--I posted above that you were wrong to cite an unnamed doctor.
You are just as wrong to assert the doctor is reliable on COVID-19 simply because he is in the Army. Unfortunately, too many people and organizations have been using fake experts to try to refute actual experts. You may have seen pop psychologist Dr Phil on TV as an "expert" trying to counter Dr Fauci, as one recent example. This is very dangerous--we need real experts to debate each other with facts, analysis, and logic, not TV personalities try to persuade with their personalities.

The discussions have been long and (after a fashion) peer-reviewed by several others at the same forum. This particular quote does not involve [Retired Army doctor], but it includes a salute to his knowledge located at many other threads, plus attempting to educate thousands at this forum who are not inclined towards medicine.

Now that I think of it, the forum is mostly US military men and women who speak of China as our existential enemy. (Just as I do).

Since I am not a medical clinician, perhaps others here can confirm the validity of the text below. (Which is tiny portion of the hundreds of COVID-19 threads going on there).

My comments are [bracketed], and there were a few typos which I've corrected:

"For some time now, one of our dear friends and heroes here, [Retired Army doctor], a retired clinician, has been mocking the idea of zinc ionophores, which he calls “zinc pores” and likening the idea to homeopathic quackery. This does not bother me in the slightest and I only hope to get at the truth.

He has made an argument that he thinks is conclusive which I might summarize as “because homeostasis.” “Go read up on zinc homeostasis!” Also in one of his comments he gives a brief summary of evidence of zinc homeostasis in the body. There is of course no doubt about the phenomenon. In fact he might have pointed out that the mechanism we are describing requires an amount of labile zinc the amount of which, in interstitial tissues, is effectively NONE!

I figure he knows something I do not know about this, so I have been all around researching. I have included reading about cancer research including using pyrithione as ionophore since all of that work would also be obviated by the “because homeostasis” argument. Wei-Qun Ding and Stuart Ling in a paper from November 2009 imagine a whole new class of anti-cancer drugs.

I have really enjoyed my study and was delighted to find hope regarding what I considered to be the two real problems in this work, namely how do you target only the compromised cells, and how do you get the effect you want without killing all the cells. At Leiden University in 2010, Snijder and van Hemert got the effect on many viruses including nidoviruses like SARS-CoV without cytotoxicity!

There is a lot of interest in zinc as in some situations and cells it signals apoptosis [cell death] and in others it stops it. You can turn it on and off depending on what you put with it, crucial in dealing with cancer cells. (They are a long way from this being practical.) But I cannot find anyone who thinks that it is impossible to get free Zn++’s to the site “because homeostasis.” There is talk about nitric oxide dramatically increasing the levels of reactive zinc intracellularly. They used zinc hydroxide and zinc acetate always assuming that the Zn++ had to be provided with the ionophore.

Zinc Homeostasis would be the reason zinc must be provided if our theory of therapeutic effect is at all reasonable.

Please tell me where I am going wrong. Also everyone please understand that I consider [Retired Army doctor] to be among the finest friends on this forum, a hero, a patriot, an example to us all for whom I have the deepest respect though I have never met him personally."

It was at this same site that I found the "Copy and Carry This Proven Procedure" Winni thread-starter.

I sent that link to a neighbor, a doctor. She replied, as below:

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by ApS

Whoa! Do not take my silence as acquiescence. A couple of posters on other threads have very rightly pointed out the need for us to be kind and not dwell on the negative. I'm trying to do that.

A highly contagious virus, expected to kill thousands of Americans, can't be expected to result in many smiley-faced responses.

But since you called me out--I continue to hold the opinion that you are either very confused as a person or trying to confuse other people. It appears that you are unable to filter/understand things you read on the internet, and you regularly pass on misinformation. Your recent BS innuendo on Angela Merkel, for example.

Look up Merkel/Stasi for yourself, but knowing German helps comprehension. Or try "Images" to get the drift from the EU and the UK.

On this particular point--I posted above that you were wrong to cite an unnamed doctor. You are just as wrong to assert the doctor is reliable on COVID-19 simply because he is in the Army.

But if this Army physician's opinion appears later in a "Bubble" publication, it'd be all right? Since when can't we use logic and reason to evaluate what we encounter on the Internet? Let youthful and foreign PC "journalists" decide for us?

Unfortunately, too many people and organizations have been using fake experts to try to refute actual experts. You may have seen pop psychologist Dr Phil on TV as an "expert" trying to counter Dr Fauci, as one recent example. This is very dangerous--we need real experts to debate each other with facts, analysis, and logic, not TV personalities try to persuade with their personalities.

I know "'Dr.' Phil" from brief segments, but my Trinitron TV has been stored in the attic for 20 years. I wouldn't pit a PhD. against an M.D. on any occasion.

What would be "dangerous" would be to have Michelle or Oprah in the line of Presidential succession. (In discussions presently, and with millions from the Coronavirus Stimulus sent to open a PBS show).

OK... this is enoug APS many have had enough...you posts are very confusing. time to shut down and out!

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Time to kill this thread , its turned into nonsense.

This should not continue.. I just posted yesterday about this negative attitude or just comments that don't help the casue to help the situation we all are in. Please stop! Yes I can stop reading these posts. and I have. Why is it necessary for a few just to keep beatinf a negative drummer.

Come on folks........People need uplifing. Let's all pull together!!

[chasedawg]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

This should not continue.. I just posted yesterday about this negative attitude or just comments that don't help the casue to help the situation we all are in. Please stop! Yes I can stop reading these posts. and I have. Why is it necessary for a few just to keep beatinf a negative drummer.

Come on folks........People need uplifing. Let's all pull together!!

I started this thread...and unfortnutely it has gone totally off the tracks and into
nonsense.
Time to make common sense and help bring uplifting comments.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by chasedawg

I started this thread...and unfortnutely it has gone totally off the tracks and into nonsense. Time to make common sense and help bring uplifting comments.

It was the cartoon, right?

We've been given a long leash in this COVID-19 forum, and I still hope to read a retort by member FlyingScot.

Instead, the easily-confused intend to prevail over those who think their local governments have stepped on their Constitutional Rights.

The MSM show video from an Italian hospital, and present the images as New York City hospitals.

File-photographs of crowded California beaches are presented as recently opened Florida beaches. (Although beach-goers observed excellent "social-distancing").



Surfers, strollers, hikers, picnickers and fishermen are banned, and the right to "peaceably assemble" is exercised at state capitols. (But called "demonstrations").

I think Americans have the right to be offended by government proclamations. It's impossible to keep politics out of such egregious and unnecessary regulation.

It's sad that Americans will continue to die from COVID-19, but Europe (affected first) is stabilizing.

Sweden, which kept restaurants open, and has retained its excellent economy, is being rewarded for doing practically nothing against COVID-19!

It appears that Dr. Knut Wittkowski has been right all this time.

[tis]

File-photographs of crowded California beaches are presented as recently opened Florida beaches. (Although beach-goers observed excellent "social-distancing").

Really? Why doesn't that surprise me?

[coolyourjets]

Originally Posted by ApS

It was the cartoon, right?

We've been given a long leash in this COVID-19 forum, and I still hope to read a retort by member FlyingScot.

Instead, the easily-confused intend to prevail over those who think their local governments have stepped on their Constitutional Rights.

The MSM show video from an Italian hospital, and present the images as New York City hospitals.

File-photographs of crowded California beaches are presented as recently opened Florida beaches. (Although beach-goers observed excellent "social-distancing").



Surfers, strollers, hikers, picnickers and fishermen are banned, and the right to "peaceably assemble" is exercised at state capitols. (But called "demonstrations").

I think Americans have the right to be offended by government proclamations. It's impossible to keep politics out of such egregious and unnecessary regulation.

It's sad that Americans will continue to die from COVID-19, but Europe (affected first) is stabilizing.

Sweden, which kept restaurants open, and has retained its excellent economy, is being rewarded for doing practically nothing against COVID-19!

It appears that Dr. Knut Wittkowski has been right all this time.

It's unfortunate that you choose ideology over facts.

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by coolyourjets

It's unfortunate that you choose ideology over facts.

"We choose truth over facts"! ... Joe Biden, August 2019, in a speech in Iowa.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by coolyourjets

It's unfortunate that you choose ideology over facts.

My chosen ideology combines Logic and Reason.

Yours?

Bill Gates (and Melinda) are very concerned and tell us what to expect; for example, a renewal of the virus in the fall.

https://www.geekwire.com/2020/bill-g...dern-pandemic/