Why standing up for the Constitution is important

[Flylady]

Apart from all the anecdotal sightings of fraud, the real issues where fraud has been proven the numbers as a percentage of all the registered voters is very small. Remember all the buses of MA. voters coming in to NH in 2016?

Voter ID: not every state is equal. Look at rural states in the south with predominately black populations with large numbers of citizens over 65. If the states were serious about wanting them to get "voter ID", they would waive the fee for very low income, and provide accessibility to locations where ID can be obtained. The opposite has been shown in many states. Closing of local DMV type offices, while not providing public transportation for the same. It goes on and on. Also remember that in some states (North Dakota) they actually tried to make it harder for native americans to vote by changing the rules.
As for cleaning out the voter roles of deceased people, many states just do not want to spend the time or money removing dead people from the roles. None of them have ever shown up to vote!

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by Flylady

Apart from all the anecdotal sightings of fraud, the real issues where fraud has been proven the numbers as a percentage of all the registered voters is very small. Remember all the buses of MA. voters coming in to NH in 2016?

Voter ID: not every state is equal. Look at rural states in the south with predominately black populations with large numbers of citizens over 65. If the states were serious about wanting them to get "voter ID", they would waive the fee for very low income, and provide accessibility to locations where ID can be obtained. The opposite has been shown in many states. Closing of local DMV type offices, while not providing public transportation for the same. It goes on and on. Also remember that in some states (North Dakota) they actually tried to make it harder for native americans to vote by changing the rules.
As for cleaning out the voter roles of deceased people, many states just do not want to spend the time or money removing dead people from the roles. None of them have ever shown up to vote!

While it’s true that none of the dead people have ever shown up to vote 🙄
it’s probably also true that shady individuals have assumed their identities in order to steal an extra vote.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

While it’s true that none of the dead people have ever shown up to vote
it’s probably also true that shady individuals have assumed their identities in order to steal an extra vote.

Voter fraud in this country is very low. The last case was in NC in 2018.

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[Wifi-1]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

Voter fraud in this country is very low. The last case was in NC in 2018.

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Actually, I heard it was in 1992, when someone reportedly voted for Ross Perot, couldn't be confirmed, unfortunately

[jbolty]

voter fraud is rampant in California but it's legal and they call it ballot harvesting.

[gillygirl]

Originally Posted by jbolty

voter fraud is rampant in California but it's legal and they call it ballot harvesting.

Please post reliable proof.

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[jbolty]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

Please post reliable proof.

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you have already made up your mind, so no amount of proof will mater but here are a couple links

https://www.heritage.org/election-in...election-fraud
https://thefederalist.com/2018/12/14...teal-election/


common sense says this is a bad idea. Someone shows up at your door "we see you have not mailed in your ballot can we collect it, or help you fill it out?" they do, but if it does not support their candidate it goes in the trash. Lunacy

[coolyourjets]

Originally Posted by jbolty

you have already made up your mind, so no amount of proof will mater but here are a couple links



https://www.heritage.org/election-in...election-fraud

https://thefederalist.com/2018/12/14...teal-election/





common sense says this is a bad idea. Someone shows up at your door "we see you have not mailed in your ballot can we collect it, or help you fill it out?" they do, but if it does not support their candidate it goes in the trash. Lunacy

You must have missed this..Gillygirl said a reliable source.


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[jbolty]

Originally Posted by coolyourjets

You must have missed this..Gillygirl said a reliable source.


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like I said, mind is already made up. there is no point in arguing with zealots.

The data from the U.S. Election Assistance Commission and the Election Administration and Voting Surveys for 2016 and 2018, provided by the Public Interest Legal Foundation (PILF), shows that between the 2016 and 2018 elections, roughly 16.4 million ballots mailed to registered voters went missing.

In the 2018 election, about 42.4 million ballots were mailed to registered voters. Of those mailed, more than one million were undeliverable, more than 430,000 were rejected, and nearly 10.5 million went missing.

The 2016 election showed similar discrepancies. That year, about 41.6 million ballots were mailed to registered voters. Of those mailed, more than 568,000 were undeliverable, nearly 320,000 were rejected, and close to six million went missing.

“Putting the election in the hands of the United States Postal Service would be a catastrophe. In 2018 and 2016, there were 16 million missing and misdirected ballots,” PILF President J. Christian Adams said in a statement.

[Flylady]

Originally Posted by jbolty

voter fraud is rampant in California but it's legal and they call it ballot harvesting.

From someone who lives in CA? Do you even know what their processes are? There has been a lot of investigations on this. Still waiting for the verdict!

[The Real BigGuy]

Originally Posted by gillygirl

Voter fraud in this country is very low. The last case was in NC in 2018.

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Agreed. Read yesterday that voter fraud is somewhere between 4 & 9 votes per 100,000. So if all Americans voted (and they don’t because some are too young and a lot don’t go to the polls) at the higher end we’d see about 27,000 fraudulent votes. Yup, a solution searching desperately for a problem!


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