Bill Gates said " it will be"

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

You’re pretty ignorant yourself if you don’t think billionaires hide all the money that they legally can. What a dumb statement.

Investment professional here--so I trust this will not be ignorant:

First when you "hide...legally"--by definition, that is not hiding anything. It is taking advantage of tax laws to pay less. (sone of these techniques are reasonable, some are not)

Second, are more importantly, this idea of donating to charity for "tax relief" is completely wrong. If a person donates, say, $30 billion, their "tax relief" is some fraction of that amount. The calculation depends on a whole bunch of things, but we could call it 25% as a rough guess. So our donor gives the charity $30 billion, and he gets a tax deduction of $7.5 billion--he is still $22.5 billion out of pocket. Pretty damn generous if you ask me, and only a person ignorant of the tax law would suggest his donation is in order to get something from the IRS.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Investment professional here--so I trust this will not be ignorant:

First when you "hide...legally"--by definition, that is not hiding anything. It is taking advantage of tax laws to pay less. (sone of these techniques are reasonable, some are not)

Second, are more importantly, this idea of donating to charity for "tax relief" is completely wrong. If a person donates, say, $30 billion, their "tax relief" is some fraction of that amount. The calculation depends on a whole bunch of things, but we could call it 25% as a rough guess. So our donor gives the charity $30 billion, and he gets a tax deduction of $7.5 billion--he is still $22.5 billion out of pocket. Pretty damn generous if you ask me, and only a person ignorant of the tax law would suggest his donation is in order to get something from the IRS.

Thank you for the tax lesson!
I’m sure a large segment of the population obeys laws and do not attempt to evade taxes. There is however, a percentage that do knowingly, evade taxes and I believe these are the ones with all the $$ and lawyers.
“The rich get richer”

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Thank you for the tax lesson!
I’m sure a large segment of the population obeys laws and do not attempt to evade taxes. There is however, a percentage that do knowingly, evade taxes and I believe these are the ones with all the $$ and lawyers.
“The rich get richer”

I agree. The tax dodges by some wealthy people and corporations are outrageous. When companies have gigantic departments dedicated to figuring out how to reduce tax liabilities, something's really messed up

[jeffk]

It's not only do you believe the warning, it's do you believe the scale of the warning.

Given we know of many such pandemics, it's ignorant not to know others WILL happen. What we don't know is the scale. It's also easy to generate computer models that show 10s of millions dead. That's not impossible but unlikely.

I could also provide "proof" that global warming will devastate the planet. There is a super volcano under Yellowstone that could destroy large areas and create a global winter from ash in the atmosphere. There is the possibility that an enormous asteroid could destroy the planet or do catastrophic damage. We have had storms that destroyed regions of the Country many years ago that we haven't recovered from and more WILL come.

All these threats, and others, are "real" and we could spend all our time and assets preparing for them because that is what it would take to be "ready". Even being ready doesn't mean that we could stop any of them, just mitigate to some degree. Further, we will probably never see the events to the extreme of the scale.

Meanwhile, life would become drudgery working and waiting for disaster.

That's not to say we should do nothing. Bad viruses come along somewhat frequently. Governments had recently decided to stockpile some medical supplies but decided it was too expensive and sold them off or let them rot to the point of being unusable. That was probably not too wise. Maybe they should be cycling supplies through storage to keep them fresh and determining how to maintain ventilators more economically. There would be some cost to that. Maybe it is worth it. Maybe instead of doing things like this behind the scenes it should be a more public discussion. Not a panicked discussion with tales of woe but a realistic balance of cost vs. benefit and better ways to do things.

Will we ever be prepared for an asteroid strike, even though people regularly encourage us to be? I doubt it and I doubt we should. We could continue to watch for dangerous sky objects and consider how they might be deflected. But if you are a car stuck on the train tracks, how do you "prepare" for being hit by a locomotive? And how likely is it to happen?

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by jeffk

It's not only do you believe the warning, it's do you believe the scale of the warning.

Given we know of many such pandemics, it's ignorant not to know others WILL happen. What we don't know is the scale. It's also easy to generate computer models that show 10s of millions dead. That's not impossible but unlikely.

I could also provide "proof" that global warming will devastate the planet. There is a super volcano under Yellowstone that could destroy large areas and create a global winter from ash in the atmosphere. There is the possibility that an enormous asteroid could destroy the planet or do catastrophic damage. We have had storms that destroyed regions of the Country many years ago that we haven't recovered from and more WILL come.

All these threats, and others, are "real" and we could spend all our time and assets preparing for them because that is what it would take to be "ready". Even being ready doesn't mean that we could stop any of them, just mitigate to some degree. Further, we will probably never see the events to the extreme of the scale.

Meanwhile, life would become drudgery working and waiting for disaster.

That's not to say we should do nothing. Bad viruses come along somewhat frequently. Governments had recently decided to stockpile some medical supplies but decided it was too expensive and sold them off or let them rot to the point of being unusable. That was probably not too wise. Maybe they should be cycling supplies through storage to keep them fresh and determining how to maintain ventilators more economically. There would be some cost to that. Maybe it is worth it. Maybe instead of doing things like this behind the scenes it should be a more public discussion. Not a panicked discussion with tales of woe but a realistic balance of cost vs. benefit and better ways to do things.

Will we ever be prepared for an asteroid strike, even though people regularly encourage us to be? I doubt it and I doubt we should. We could continue to watch for dangerous sky objects and consider how they might be deflected. But if you are a car stuck on the train tracks, how do you "prepare" for being hit by a locomotive? And how likely is it to happen?

Thank you for typing out my thoughts. There is no way to be prepared for every possible threat we face. I do believe we can be better prepared to react.

[cessnaair]

They said 1 to 2 million will die when this so called virus, yesterday Fauci down graded to 60,000, quite a drop. Typical flu season, 2018 80,000 died. This virus as I see spreads quickly than most but the ones that died mostly had pre existing condition. Last night on the news they said if they died from diabetes, heart condition or any other lethal illness but had the virus, it was counted as the virus killed them. They are cooking the books. Look how many have tested positive but but never needed hospitalization They used defective models, scared the crap out of everyone, media piled on and made it look far worse causing us to take draconian measures

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by cessnaair

They said 1 to 2 million will die when this so called virus, yesterday Fauci down graded to 60,000, quite a drop. Typical flu season, 2018 80,000 died. This virus as I see spreads quickly than most but the ones that died mostly had pre existing condition. Last night on the news they said if they died from diabetes, heart condition or any other lethal illness but had the virus, it was counted as the virus killed them. They are cooking the books. Look how many have tested positive but but never needed hospitalization They used defective models, scared the crap out of everyone, media piled on and made it look far worse causing us to take draconian measures

In addition to cooking the books, they cooked jobs, businesses, livelihoods and mental stability. The repercussions of this crafty “cooking” will be overwhelming beyond belief.

[Biggd]

And here come the "I told you so's". That just proves that what we are doing is working.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by Biggd

And here come the "I told you so's". That just proves that what we are doing is working.

The "Trump is an idiot I told you so" people have been on this forum telling their story for weeks, now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

The "Trump is an idiot I told you so" people have been on this forum telling their story for weeks, now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn.

I don't believe that I've posted Trump is an idiot. I'm pretty sure all of my Trump posts on this have revolved around him being too slow to act, but then recognizing the problem and instituting reasonably good general policies which are now having the effect that we all hoped of reducing the infection rate from what it would have been. So, to your point--yes--we told you so.

But back to my original question--please let us know if you agree with the President's current covid policies, or if you think he has been made a fool of by the experts.

[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I don't believe that I've posted Trump is an idiot. I'm pretty sure all of my Trump posts on this have revolved around him being too slow to act, but then recognizing the problem and instituting reasonably good general policies which are now having the effect that we all hoped of reducing the infection rate from what it would have been. So, to your point--yes--we told you so.

But back to my original question--please let us know if you agree with the President's current covid policies, or if you think he has been made a fool of by the experts.

I will give my definitive answer on September 1; although I reserve the right to label this date as aspirational.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I don't believe that I've posted Trump is an idiot. I'm pretty sure all of my Trump posts on this have revolved around him being too slow to act, but then recognizing the problem and instituting reasonably good general policies which are now having the effect that we all hoped of reducing the infection rate from what it would have been. So, to your point--yes--we told you so.

But back to my original question--please let us know if you agree with the President's current covid policies, or if you think he has been made a fool of by the experts.

A. I was not referring to anyone on this forum. I certainly am not talking to or about you. Not sure how you even stretch that far unless you believe yourself guilty of it.

B. I said "now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn" meaning that I sure hope that some people get to crow that it was not that bad, over-hyped, etc because then less people will have died.

You never had an original question with me, but I will answer. Do I agree with all of the policy decisions made by Trump? No. Do I agree with some? Yes. Fingers are going to be pointed in many directions over the next few years, should be interesting.

We are never going to be prepared for everything, it is impossible. But we can be better prepared to react decisively and quickly. We can have general processes in place that can be adapted to an emergency situation of most any type. Easier said than done, and the bigger the organization, the more difficult the task.

Sorry, not trying to be a jerk, but I am tired of all of the coulda, shoulda, would haves being slung all over the news, FB, and here on this forum.

[Biggd]

I said it a month ago, that if everyone who was complaining about shutting down the economy get's to say "I told you so" then we know we got it right.
We saved a lot of lives but for some people that's not equitable.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

A. I was not referring to anyone on this forum. I certainly am not talking to or about you. Not sure how you even stretch that far unless you believe yourself guilty of it.

B. I said "now the "it was BS told you so" people hopefully get their turn" meaning that I sure hope that some people get to crow that it was not that bad, over-hyped, etc because then less people will have died.

You never had an original question with me, but I will answer. Do I agree with all of the policy decisions made by Trump? No. Do I agree with some? Yes. Fingers are going to be pointed in many directions over the next few years, should be interesting.

We are never going to be prepared for everything, it is impossible. But we can be better prepared to react decisively and quickly. We can have general processes in place that can be adapted to an emergency situation of most any type. Easier said than done, and the bigger the organization, the more difficult the task.

Sorry, not trying to be a jerk, but I am tired of all of the coulda, shoulda, would haves being slung all over the news, FB, and here on this forum.

I assumed you meant me because you posted directly below a post in which I was critical of Trump.

I agree on the difficulty of all this for the government.

One interesting thing though is that we both believe the past couple of weeks has made it obvious that we were right and the other side will have to concede it was wrong. I've put up a bunch of posts that assert it's become clear that the shutdown was right and/or that Trump believes in it. Your latest post seems to say it's now clear the shutdown was wrong.

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by cessnaair

They said 1 to 2 million will die when this so called virus, yesterday Fauci down graded to 60,000, quite a drop. Typical flu season, 2018 80,000 died. This virus as I see spreads quickly than most but the ones that died mostly had pre existing condition. Last night on the news they said if they died from diabetes, heart condition or any other lethal illness but had the virus, it was counted as the virus killed them. They are cooking the books. Look how many have tested positive but but never needed hospitalization They used defective models, scared the crap out of everyone, media piled on and made it look far worse causing us to take draconian measures

Are you saying that our President is a fool?

[cessnaair]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Are you saying that our President is a fool?

How would you think that from what I said? Either he was given false models or this virus is a bust, he and his team responded with info given, can’t have it both ways

[FlyingScot]

Originally Posted by cessnaair

How would you think that from what I said? Either he was given false models or this virus is a bust, he and his team responded with info given, can’t have it both ways

It's the President's (any President or executive, not just Trump) job to make the right decisions in the midst of good info and bad--that's how we judge our leaders. We look back at the Depression, and we say Hoover was a fool, and FDR was brilliant. We applaud Lincoln for saying to his cabinet (something like) "well it's 12 votes to 1, and the 1 has it..."

Trump has shut down the world's greatest economy, throwing millions of people out of work, leaving people hungry and broke, endangering our entire way of life. I think it was the right thing for him to do. But you appear to be deeply critical of his actions which are historic in scope. That's how I conclude that you must think he's a fool.

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

It's the President's (any President or executive, not just Trump) job to make the right decisions in the midst of good info and bad--that's how we judge our leaders. We look back at the Depression, and we say Hoover was a fool, and FDR was brilliant. We applaud Lincoln for saying to his cabinet (something like) "well it's 12 votes to 1, and the 1 has it..."

Trump has shut down the world's greatest economy, throwing millions of people out of work, leaving people hungry and broke, endangering our entire way of life. I think it was the right thing for him to do. But you appear to be deeply critical of his actions which are historic in scope. That's how I conclude that you must think he's a fool.

Your meaning is well expressed, and taken.

I would suggest that the President's job, however, is to make the BEST DECISION (not RIGHT DECISION he/she can make) based on...

Also- Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. Some called it treasonous. This, too, was/is historic in scope. Considering the times, was this the RIGHT/BEST DECISION? Was he a fool?

[garysanfran]

My liberal friends have told me Obama was one year ahead of Bill Gates...

If true, he did nothing?

[radar4401]

I'd like to throw out a few thoughts after reading on this subject recently. There is a Strategic Defense Supply designated for just such occurrences. However it was depleted during the last two pandemics and not filled during the budget sequestration during Obama's term. Also, a lot of the items have expiration dates on them so they need to be replenished if not used. Kinda catch 22 situation. I remember they had to waiver the expiration date on N95 masks taken out of storage in order to use them. Plenty of blame to go around.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by radar4401

I'd like to throw out a few thoughts after reading on this subject recently. There is a Strategic Defense Supply designated for just such occurrences. However it was depleted during the last two pandemics and not filled during the budget sequestration during Obama's term. Also, a lot of the items have expiration dates on them so they need to be replenished if not used. Kinda catch 22 situation. I remember they had to waiver the expiration date on N95 masks taken out of storage in order to use them. Plenty of blame to go around.

New England Patriots private jet flew a million N-95 masks in from China. (Not sure if they've turned out to be the less effective KN-95 masks).

https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-milli...ne-11585821600

[fatlazyless]

Flying all those masks from China to Boston ...... that's a long, long flight for the Patriot's airplane ..... maybe it stopped in Anchorage or somewhere for re-fueling.

Sort of reminds me of the refrigerated, semi tractor trailer trucks that have three drivers on-board ..... and they drive a full load of fresh strawberries from somewhere in California, back to Boston, in 36-hours.

Way to go N.E. Patriots ...... was Bob Kraft on-board the plane? ....

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Flying all those masks from China to Boston ...... that's a long, long flight for the Patriot's airplane ..... maybe it stopped in Anchorage or somewhere for re-fueling.

Sort of reminds me of the refrigerated, semi tractor trailer trucks that have three drivers on-board ..... and they drive a full load of fresh strawberries from somewhere in California, back to Boston, in 36-hours.

Way to go N.E. Patriots ...... was Bob Kraft on-board the plane? ....

So... how long before Dennis Rodman starts taking credit for all the PPE from China?

[garysanfran]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Flying all those masks from China to Boston ...... that's a long, long flight for the Patriot's airplane ..... maybe it stopped in Anchorage or somewhere for re-fueling.

Sort of reminds me of the refrigerated, semi tractor trailer trucks that have three drivers on-board ..... and they drive a full load of fresh strawberries from somewhere in California, back to Boston, in 36-hours.

Way to go N.E. Patriots ...... was Bob Kraft on-board the plane? ....

You ain't drivin' from anywhere in California to Boston in 36 hrs...No matter how many drivers you have.

One year ago today, I left San Francisco and drove to Meredith posting the experience on the Forum...Well over 3,400 miles. Took me 5 1/2 days driving more than 10 hrs/day...It was fun then.

[Mr. V]

Sort of reminds me of the refrigerated, semi tractor trailer trucks that have three drivers on-board ..... and they drive a full load of fresh strawberries from somewhere in California, back to Boston, in 36-hours.

Impossible, can't be done by a semi-truck.

You might be thinking of the original so-called "cannonball run."

Brock Yates and Dan Gurney drove a Ferrari Daytona coupe cross country

in a hair less than 36 hours.

They averaged 80 miles per hour and, on one deserted stretch, reached a top

speed of 172 miles per hour.

They made it from Manhattan to Redondo Beach, Calif., in 35 hours and 54 minutes.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by garysanfran

My liberal friends have told me Obama was one year ahead of Bill Gates...If true, he did nothing?

US taxpayers helped fund the Wuhan virus:

"Lawmakers and pressure groups were quick to hit out at U.S. funding being provided for the 'dangerous and cruel animal experiments at the Wuhan Institute."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-message-field

Video, but not "that other" Epoch Times video:

https://www.brighteon.com/c2b4f632-7...3-8d27f4d980b6

[Hillcountry]

So...more and more news now coming to light that US scientists working along with Chinese scientists cabled home for monetary assistance to help “tighten up”
hazardous conditions at the Wuhan China labs in fear that “something dangerous” might escape...I wonder if Bill Gates knew something about this “work” in order to be able to predict it to happen? Hmmm...time will tell. Stay tuned...

[AB_Monterey]

and yet, Bill can't keep windows virus free.

[ApS]

EMT, responding to addresses where people were "showing signs"...responded by sending those citizens back into their houses.

NY TIMES:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/h...lection=Health

Now, will those now-awesome numbers of "died at home" be counted as Wuhan-virus?

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

So...more and more news now coming to light that US scientists working along with Chinese scientists cabled home for monetary assistance to help “tighten up”
hazardous conditions at the Wuhan China labs in fear that “something dangerous” might escape...I wonder if Bill Gates knew something about this “work” in order to be able to predict it to happen? Hmmm...time will tell. Stay tuned...

I'm not one to care about peoples' previous post histories, but my feeling here is this post is beneath you- kinda trollish.

Just saying.

[Hillcountry]

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY

I'm not one to care about peoples' previous post histories, but my feeling here is this post is beneath you- kinda trollish.

Just saying.

It’s NEWS Mr Jeep...just news...and it’s all coming to light.
No troll here...no more than anyone else.

[JEEPONLY]

Originally Posted by Hillcountry

It’s NEWS Mr Jeep...just news...and it’s all coming to light.
No troll here...no more than anyone else.

Some of your post may have been news.
It was the "I wonder if Bill Gates knew something..." that isn't news, and rang negatively.

I don't think you are a troll, at all- which is why I used the term "trollish".

It's all good- lots of opinions floating around here, there and everywhere!

[AB_Monterey]

Originally Posted by FlyingScot

Trump has shut down the world's greatest economy, throwing millions of people out of work, leaving people hungry and broke, endangering our entire way of life. I think it was the right thing for him to do. But you appear to be deeply critical of his actions which are historic in scope. That's how I conclude that you must think he's a fool.

Yeah, actually the governors shut down the states.