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[StevenGilford]

Originally Posted by Major

couldn't have planning for the worst have been achieved with a more metered approach?

Like taking more action earlier on, maybe even before the first confirmed case in the US by running simulations and having contingency plans, along with keeping the federal group active that would track and respond to them? Then taking more decisive action when it was confirmed here instead of down playing it and calling it a Democrat hoax?

I'm glad we both agree that Trump is a moron who cares for nobody except himself.

[Major]

Originally Posted by StevenGilford

I'm glad we both agree that Trump is a moron who cares for nobody except himself.

And here we have it. The root of your concern. Don't worry Steve, this overreaction to the Chinese coronavirus is going to backfire. Trump will be reelected by a margin greater than ever imagined. He is a true leader, and his leadership skills are on full display.

[StevenGilford]

Originally Posted by Major

And here we have it. The root of your concern.

The root of my concern is the health and wellbeing of all Americans that will die but could be prevented.

Originally Posted by Major

this overreaction to the Chinese coronavirus is going to backfire. Trump will be reelected by a margin greater than ever imagined. He is a true leader, and his leadership skills are on full display.

This however, shows the roots of your stance. You have drank the kool-aid and are a full on Trumpette. Immune to facts and reason.

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by StevenGilford

Like taking more action earlier on, maybe even before the first confirmed case in the US by running simulations and having contingency plans, along with keeping the federal group active that would track and respond to them? Then taking more decisive action when it was confirmed here instead of down playing it and calling it a Democrat hoax?

I'm glad we both agree that Trump is a moron who cares for nobody except himself.

TDS is alive and well!

Despite the rants of the left and the different levels of reaction to the virus, the people who are so consumed with TDS should prepare themselves for 4 1/2 more years of a Trump Presidency. If the virus clears up in the next few months November is still coming. For some people, 2020 is going to be a very bad year!

In other news:

“The CDC’s response has been excellent, as it has been in the past,” said John Auerbach, president of the nonpartisan Trust for America’s Health, which works with government at all levels to improve the nation’s response to high-risk health crises. Some Democrats have charged that Trump decimated the nation’s public health leadership, but Auerbach said CDC’s top scientific ranks have remained stable during the past three years.

THE FACTS: They’re wrong to say the agencies have seen their money cut. Bloomberg repeated the false claim that states the U.S. is unprepared for the virus because of “reckless cuts” to the CDC. Instead, financing has increased while Trump has been President.

[BoatHouse]

Originally Posted by StevenGilford

I'm glad we both agree that Trump is a moron who cares for nobody except himself.

Well There IT is! Your only motivation. you have now been exposed. Move to MA so you can vote the Democrat ticket

[StevenGilford]

Originally Posted by BoatHouse

Well There IT is! Your only motivation. you have now been exposed. Move to MA so you can vote the Democrat ticket

Sure, ignore everything else I've said, including my actual motivations. It's pretty much the modus operandi of sycophantic Trump supporters.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by StevenGilford

Sure, ignore everything else I've said, including my actual motivations. It's pretty much the modus operandi of sycophantic Trump supporters.

Steven, Steven, Steven......you must get rid of the rage! It’s not healthy! One post after the other...ranting, raging, name-calling....way over the top. Cut yourself a break....and the rest of us....and please knock it off! Take a deep breath...that’s it.....very good....now try to relax and be happy. 😎

[StevenGilford]

Originally Posted by Sue Doe-Nym

Steven, Steven, Steven......you must get rid of the rage! It’s not healthy! One post after the other...ranting, raging, name-calling....way over the top. Cut yourself a break....and the rest of us....and please knock it off! Take a deep breath...that’s it.....very good....now try to relax and be happy. 😎

I'm going to do some yoga and meditate until the death numbers are released this evening.

[Pricestavern]

I gauze into my crystal ball and see...

Thousands of American citizens dead but not millions. People look at the final numbers and say, "See - it was a hoax. Not nearly as many people died. It wasn't the catastrophe predicted. Fake news."

It will remind me of Y2K and how, after tens of thousands of IT workers spend millions of hours combing thru code and fixing problems in the couple of years leading up to 2000, not much went wrong and people looked back and said, "See! It was much ado about nothing." The efforts and preparations lost to them in the moments after that midnight.

It will be because of the self-quarantines, the social distancing, the closures of social gathering places and places of business that 3.2 million people did not ultimately die. But cause and effect can be intangible things that only look at the moment.

It is a bad foreboding for the future should a truly terrible virus comes along, something akin to Ebola but spreads farther, and people will look back at covid-19 and say, "See! Another hoax." The lessons will having not been learned and we dither...

[longislander]

Does anyone know, or believe they know, that the anti-malaria drugs will work as a fix to covid-19? Had to take them while in Vietnam, with the U.S. Army, May 67-Feb. 69.

After reading this thread ... might start taking again!

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by longislander

Does anyone know, or believe they know, that the anti-malaria drugs will work as a fix to covid-19? Had to take them while in Vietnam, with the U.S. Army, May 67-Feb. 69.

After reading this thread ... might start taking again!

Apparently, they are running trials on this anti-malarial drug, hydrochloroquine, combined with an antibiotic, I believe Zpac. Some physicians and hospitals have claimed success with it on some of their severely ill Coronavirus patients. Hope it pans out as it sounds very promising.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by longislander

Does anyone know, or believe they know, that the anti-malaria drugs will work as a fix to covid-19? Had to take them while in Vietnam, with the U.S. Army, May 67-Feb. 69. After reading this thread ... might start taking again!

Looking at a map of typically-malarial regions of Africa, you'll see that the areas taking anti-malarial drugs are empty of the Wuhan-corona virus. Africans taking anti-malarial drugs as treatment for Lupus disease aren't appearing with Wuhan-corona virus.

Originally Posted by 4 for Boating

Another drug called Remdesivir by Gilead is also under study/trials (Started with 6 hospitals and now up to 44 > then they got overwhelmed with requests and had to pause any new sites) I think I heard they are also extended it for special cases - preliminary results are encouraging but these tings take time as these trials don't mean much unless they are wide ranging and real data can be extracted. I "think" this is a new drug as compared to the malaria one which has been around for a long time and has a track record.

There is a cocktail of drugs now being given in the US. Doctors have been appearing in great support of Hydroxychloroquine, Chloroquine, and Remdesivir. Millions of doses are in the process of being shipped to the US by Teva Pharmaceuticals of Israel. All will have arrived by this Tuesday.

Being studied are side effects of heart arrhythmia and eye complications. One recorded account is of a recovered man at Joe DiMaggio hospital in Palm Beach County, Florida.

Although several days old, physicians' successes are being podcast 24/7 at The Sean Hannity Show. The title is "The Latest COVID-19 Treatments". (97 minutes).

[TiltonBB]

I hope so!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyTT...jcdocbRnaGz6_c

[fatlazyless]

Free access on the corona virus crisis: www.nytimes.com ...... read all about it!

'Trump Extends Social Distancing Guidelines Through End of April' by Michael D. Shear ........ written and updated on March 29 & 30, 2020

Here's two paragraphs from this report that really caught my attention:

The president also expressed horror at the grim scenes playing out at hospitals in New York City, where he spent much of his adult life. He cited the situation at Elmhurst Hospital Center - "I know it very well," he said - which has been inundated in recent days with people ill from the virus.

"I've been watching that for the last week on television, body bags all over in hallways," Mr. Trump said. "I have been watching them bringing in trailer trucks, freezer trucks because they can't handle the bodies. There are so many of them. This is in essentially my community in Queens, New York. I have seen things that I have never seen before."

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

I hope so!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyTT...jcdocbRnaGz6_c

Thanks for posting this, Tilton. I’m SHOCKED that the mainstream media hasn’t reported this!

[Newbiesaukee]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Thanks for posting this, Tilton. I’m SHOCKED that the mainstream media hasn’t reported this!

I am not shocked that the righty media did. Having said that, it is good to see a different point of view from an informed academic.

[Billy Bob]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Thanks for posting this, Tilton. I’m SHOCKED that the mainstream media hasn’t reported this!

Please look up the source , this new network is a far right group of wack jobs, watch a few of their reports on subjects other then the virus and you will see they are a no fact shock new people

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

Please look up the source , this new network is a far right group of wack jobs, watch a few of their reports on subjects other then the virus and you will see they are a no fact shock new people

People believe what they want to believe regardless of who puts it out there.

[Seaplane Pilot]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

Please look up the source , this new network is a far right group of wack jobs, watch a few of their reports on subjects other then the virus and you will see they are a no fact shock new people

Oh that's right...If it doesn't come out of CNN or the rest of the left-wing mouthpieces, then it can't be true. Perhaps we should call Stanford University to verify whether it's true or not. Seems like a simple solution. I will send them a message today, and will report back on their response.

[Newbiesaukee]

There is a Michael Levitt at Stanford who did make suggestions that the modeling may be wrong and the report cited before is generally accurate in Levitts thoughts. As usual, always helps to try to find the truth. The source of this particular story is a right wing, not generally reliable source.

As my smartest professor used to say “ Even the blind squirrel sometimes finds the acorn.”

DON’T trust, but sometimes verify anyway.

AND, this was reported by the New York Times.

[fatlazyless]

Miss New Hampshire-1993, Trish Regan from Hampton, NH, who graduated from Phillips Exeter Academy '91 in Exeter, NH recently lost her job at Fox Business news on March 27, 2020 because she called the coronavirus an "impeachment scam."

About ten years ago, she was a business reporter at CNBC news and she was a different type of a reporter back then with straight ahead, business news without the political spin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/bu...ronavirus.html

I have no glue, oopsie-make that clue .....ha-ha-ha ..... and who knows, but just maybe she will show up at One America News as Miss New Hampshire-1993, Trish Regan ...... here!!! ...... with all your One America News ....... baby! ...... here's what's happen'n!

If she dresses a wee bit more provocatively she could be a big hit for O.A.N. ..... One America News ..... attracting viewers and advertisers which is what it's all about.

So, where does she go ...... fired from Fox ..... a new rising star at OAN in NYC? ...... seems possible and is total conjecture coming from me?

Maybe she will forgo the bright lights of cable news, and return to Phillips Exeter Academy and teach eighth and ninth graders how to compose compound, complex sentences in English?

[Seaplane Pilot]

Same story published by the left-leaning LA Times:

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...nobel-laureate

[StevenGilford]

Originally Posted by Seaplane Pilot

Same story published by the left-leaning LA Times:

https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...nobel-laureate

If you're interested, I would really like to understand what your takeaway is from this article is.


Here's my understanding:

- Michael Levitt believes that looking at the rate of increase of confirmed positives or deaths is a good indicator that an outbreak is approaching the apex, and when this happens you can better predict the final numbers. He gives some examples of countries where he thinks this is the case: South Korea and Iran. He gives one example of countries where this is not the case: Italy.

- He says that the outbreak won't be as bad as some people fear, but doesn't give context to this - he could mean won't be as bad as the upper end models (i.e. Fauci's 2.2million estimate).

- He gives some opinion and editorial about reporting.

- He agrees that implementing social distancing and other mitigation measures are required



When you take his approach, and look at the day-by-day rate of increase of cases and deaths in the US, we look more like Italy right now than Iran and South Korea and so we are still in the 'acceleration' phase of the curve.

[StevenGilford]

This is going to be a rough two week period or maybe even three weeks. It is absolutely critical for the American people to follow the guidelines. It’s a matter of life and death.

[Sue Doe-Nym]

Originally Posted by StevenGilford

This is going to be a rough two week period or maybe even three weeks. It is absolutely critical for the American people to follow the guidelines. It’s a matter of life and death.

Absolutely! It is deader than dead down here on Florida’s west coast...restaurants, bars, beaches, pools, almost everything....CLOSED. People seem to be taking it all seriously .....very little traffic. It’s no fun, but well worth the effort if the damage done by the pandemic can be mitigated. We’ll have to wait and see. 🤞

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by StevenGilford

This is going to be a rough two week period or maybe even three weeks. It is absolutely critical for the American people to follow the guidelines. It’s a matter of life and death.

I can tell you on my way to work this week the volume of traffic on the roads has slightly increased. Why? Dunno - have some had enough and are starting to return to a normal routine or is there a legit reason for it?

Every day on my way home I am seeing more out of state plates headed into NH, beyond the typical mix of MA plates, I'm talking CT, NY, NJ, RI and beyond.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Every day on my way home I am seeing more out of state plates headed into NH, beyond the typical mix of MA plates, I'm talking CT, NY, NJ, RI and beyond.

Put up a road block, built with huge 100-year old pine trees, blocking Rt 93 between Methuen Ma and Salem NH, at the state border, and start hitting out-of-stater's with a big, fat NH entry fee based on what car they is driving ..... economy - regular - luxury ...... say $1000 - $5000 - $10000.

This next one here ...... it looks like an Audi ....... well, hellooooooooo! ....

[TiltonBB]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Put up a road block, built with huge 100-year old pine trees, blocking Rt 93 between Methuen Ma and Salem NH, at the state border, and start hitting out-of-stater's with a big, fat NH entry fee based on what car they is driving ..... economy - regular - luxury ...... say $1000 - $5000 - $10000.

This next one here ...... it looks like an Audi ....... well, hellooooooooo! ....

If they are driving an older Scionn XB, a little smashed up, what do you think? Give them a sympathy card and a few dollars to help them along their way?