Sandbars

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Dave R

That's unfortunate. Glad it has not been an issue where I go. I doubt it's urine that's caused it though.

I guess urine the right town.

[tis]

The cities have spills of hundreds of thousands of gallons in the intercostal. There is no excuse for it.

[camp guy]

All this talk about Braun Bay and sandbars and urine brings up the question of the hundreds of people climbing Mt Major over the Columbus (oops!, Indigenous Peoples) Day long weekend. Maybe they recycle their urine in the form of perspiration. Enough of this.

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by camp guy

All this talk about Braun Bay and sandbars and urine brings up the question of the hundreds of people climbing Mt Major over the Columbus (oops!, Indigenous Peoples) Day long weekend. Maybe they recycle their urine in the form of perspiration. Enough of this.

For some, there's a rest room behind nearly every tree on the mountain.

Now back to the sandbars.

Dave

[Susie Cougar]

Urine is sterile and is made up of 95% water. And fish pee in the water too.These are the two rebuttals that I have heard justifying why peeing in the lake is OK.
I decided to do a little research. It didn’t take long to find a lot of information. Some of what I found is:
Human urine is different than fish urine, it contains urea. Urea helps the body read itself of nitrogen. The nitrogen in urea acts as a fertilizer.

In 2012, Time Magazine ran an article about a lake in Germany that was closed due to excessive algae bloom. Researchers determined that fish had been poisoned due to a significant amount of human urine in the lake.

I mentioned in a previous thread about the big problems in Mexico. After analyzing the nutrients that were released from the ground water into the ocean from the thousands of hotels along the Mexican Riviera, they found nitrates and phosphates that come from human waste, mostly urine, are suffocating the coral as well.

The great barrier reef in Australia has put up signs warning people not to pee around the coral because it is being destroyed.

So for all you people who don’t mind swimming in the pee, maybe you should start thinking in a different way.
As I said before, there are warnings all around us. We can’t ignore what’s going on in other places and say it’s not going to happen here.

Someone said that the pee was not killing the fish. I guess it is after all.

[Susie Cougar]

And one more reason why no one should be peeing in the lake.
Urine contains trace amount of pharmaceuticals including estrogen from birth control pills that can disrupt the normal reproductive cycle in male fish.

I hope this is food for thought, especially all those people who are concerned about fertilizer runoff and pesticides going into the lake.

I am pretty new to the Winnepesaukee Forum. Do we have a science teacher on here?

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

I am pretty new to the Winnepesaukee Forum. Do we have a science teacher on here?

Don't know about science teachers but there's a whole bunch of science deniers....

[Biggd]

They test beaches throughout the summer and close them when the bacteria level is too high. No one is testing the sand bars. If you're standing in that and you have a break in your skin then you're at risk for infection.
Who here likes pee soup?

[Susie Cougar]

It really is beyond ridiculous to me to explain to Grown-ups why we should pee in the toilet, and not the lake.
Isn’t this something you’re taught as a child?

It could be due to the fact that when we bought our camp back in the late 50s our waterline ran from the house and went into the lake about 30 feet. My dad pointed this out to us, And told us never to pee in the lake because we would be drinking it. I don’t know about the rest of you, but if given a choice, I would rather not be drinking water that should be in the toilet.

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

It really is beyond ridiculous to me to explain to Grown-ups why we should pee in the toilet, and not the lake.
Isn’t this something you’re taught as a child?

It could be due to the fact that when we bought our camp back in the late 50s our waterline ran from the house and went into the lake about 30 feet. My dad pointed this out to us, And told us never to pee in the lake because we would be drinking it. I don’t know about the rest of you, but if given a choice, I would rather not be drinking water that should be in the toilet.

People in dire situations have survived drinking their own urine, so I guess it all depends on how thirsty you are...

[BroadHopper]

Ya think Braun Bay is crowded, bet you haven't been to other big lakes! Now that's a crowd!

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Ya think Braun Bay is crowded, bet you haven't been to other big lakes! Now that's a crowd!

I heard Lake Havasu and Lake Powell are extremely crowded. You might have first hand knowledge

[iw8surf]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I heard Lake Havasu and Lake Powell are extremely crowded. You might have first hand knowledge

Thing about Lake Powell though is no matter how busy it is you can find privacy. That lake is amazing and soo much different than Winni in all aspects

Also I agree, people here really don't know what to complain about in comparison to other places. 1 day at Havasu half of the forum would have a heart attack, last year for a boat brand owners reunion we had 100 boats tied up together for the day and it was considered a "small" event....

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I heard Lake Havasu and Lake Powell are extremely crowded. You might have first hand knowledge

Where are those lakes?

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Where are those lakes?

Out west, Nevada & Arizona, I think.

Dave.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Biggd

Where are those lakes?

Havasu is In Arizona-and Powell in Nevada. They are very popular recreational lakes along with Lake of the Ozarks in Missouri and Lake Norman in NC . All much more crowded than Winnipesaukee


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[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Lake Havasu

No ****ting around with the launch ramps. Oo-ps i mean sitting

Yes out west the created nice facilities at most places where boating is popular.... I lived out along the Columbia river for years growing up... there was plenty of public docking and launch ramps where generally 4+ lane wide at all the state parks.....

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

And one more reason why no one should be peeing in the lake.
Urine contains trace amount of pharmaceuticals including estrogen from birth control pills that can disrupt the normal reproductive cycle in male fish.

I hope this is food for thought, especially all those people who are concerned about fertilizer runoff and pesticides going into the lake.

I am pretty new to the Winnepesaukee Forum. Do we have a science teacher on here?

If we read the same article, you forgot to mention that it said "in theory", not a fact. I would consider that to be a pretty big deletion on your part, maybe even consider it to be "fake news"... However, for the sake of argument, "if" it is true, then what is the "ratio" of urine to a body of fresh water that is harmful to the fish??? I think that information would be helpful. Why is it not available...??? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for preserving the environment, but I don't think peeing in a lake is a big deal, and I will more than likely continue to do so. Maybe there should be a fishing tournament limited to Braun Bay, and see how that goes compared to the rest of the lake. Is there any fisherman on here that can vouch for the fishing in Braun Bay?

[ApS]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

And one more reason why no one should be peeing in the lake. Urine contains trace amount of pharmaceuticals including estrogen from birth control pills that can disrupt the normal reproductive cycle in male fish. I hope this is food for thought, especially all those people who are concerned about fertilizer runoff and pesticides going into the lake.
I am pretty new to the Winnepesaukee Forum. Do we have a science teacher on here?

If it wasn't apparent in the concurrent discussion of Fishers ("Fisher-cats"), my science background is in Zoölogy.

I can get pretty deep into scientific papers written on lakewater quality. (Maybe "translate" for the forum?)


And, yes, you'd have been correct a few years ago; however, WebMD has new information:
https://www.webmd.com/women/news/201...n-water-supply

Originally Posted by Taz

Duck itch is an allergic reaction. Not everyone gets it.

If you get out of the lake in deep water (end of dock, or back into boat), you're unlikely to get it. Wind and wave action concentrates the parasites in shallow water.

While it is an allergic reaction, it's much like a mosquito bite. (They're "out there", waiting for you).

[Cal Coon]

Originally Posted by Top-Water

Some advice your parents probably gave you when you were young a million times . But supposedly banned in NH.
Think of this before your next visit to the sandbar.



Story: https://nypost.com/2019/08/28/new-ha...-vanity-plate/

The Governor stepped in and allowed this plate to stay on the car. Pathetic that it had to get to that point, but it did...

[fatlazyless]

...... PB4WEGO ...... sure, that's planning ahead and a smart move for kids or adults heading out in a car or boat. Is most likely a standard practice for most all boaters.

With The Dive anchored spuds down into the sandbars, and its' adult beverages, how many adults actually end up peeing into the lake?

What do you think? ............................... www.facebook.com/thedivelakewinni/ .................................... now, what do you think?

Maybe The Dive could post a couple/three similar 'PB4-U-Leave' license plate suggestion notices on-board their restaurant-barge that encourages patrons to use their toilet before going from barge to lake to personal boat ..... as a public service, keep the lake clean, reminder!

Maybe a well dressed, friendly 'door supervisor' who encourages patrons to 'PB4-U-Leave' as they disembark from The Dive ...... just imagine the late, great Chris Farley acting out this door supervisor job. ......

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Susie Cougar

Urine is sterile and is made up of 95% water. And fish pee in the water too.These are the two rebuttals that I have heard justifying why peeing in the lake is OK.
I decided to do a little research. It didn’t take long to find a lot of information. Some of what I found is:
Human urine is different than fish urine, it contains urea. Urea helps the body read itself of nitrogen. The nitrogen in urea acts as a fertilizer.

In 2012, Time Magazine ran an article about a lake in Germany that was closed due to excessive algae bloom. Researchers determined that fish had been poisoned due to a significant amount of human urine in the lake.

I mentioned in a previous thread about the big problems in Mexico. After analyzing the nutrients that were released from the ground water into the ocean from the thousands of hotels along the Mexican Riviera, they found nitrates and phosphates that come from human waste, mostly urine, are suffocating the coral as well.

The great barrier reef in Australia has put up signs warning people not to pee around the coral because it is being destroyed.

So for all you people who don’t mind swimming in the pee, maybe you should start thinking in a different way.
As I said before, there are warnings all around us. We can’t ignore what’s going on in other places and say it’s not going to happen here.

Someone said that the pee was not killing the fish. I guess it is after all.

Do you live by the shore either on Winnipesaukee, the gulf coast, or both?

[Susie Cougar]

Dave, I don’t understand exactly what you’re asking me. I presently live on the Gulf Coast of Florida, about 15 miles from the beaches.

I have been a resident of New Hampshire in the past, but I do not own any property now.

My parents retired and became permanent residents on the lake in 1972. They stayed there until they died, my mom died five years ago now.

My sister got married in 1973 and stayed in New Hampshire. She has lived on the lake with her husband permanently since 1980 something.
I have spent many summers and winters on the lake with my family and my children and now my grandchildren. I have nothing but wonderful memories.

[Garcia]

Don't pee in the lake, don't shampoo in the lake, don't litter in the lake, don't rinse oily rags in the lake, etc. It's common sense.

As to the sandbars, I have no interest in spending the day with hundreds of others, but if that's what people want to do and they are following the rules, have at it.