Wow trail

[Barney Bear]

I believe that the subway cars from Bombardier in Canada, are partially assembled in the USA to satisfy the Buy America requirement for a Federal subsidy, and then delivered to Boston by rail. 🐻

[map]

My concern about the extension of the WOW trail to The Weirs, besides the destruction of the train tracks, would be the possibility of drawing the rif raf from downtown into the area, thus increasing crime.

[WinnisquamZ]

Originally Posted by map

My concern about the extension of the WOW trail to The Weirs, besides the destruction of the train tracks, would be the possibility of drawing the rif raf from downtown into the area, thus increasing crime.

Why must the rif raf as you call them be restricted to downtown the whole city should be able to enjoy their presence and the value each brings to the community! Just as the city council intended


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[map]

Originally Posted by WinnisquamZ

Why must the rif raf as you call them be restricted to downtown the whole city should be able to enjoy their presence and the value each brings to the community! Just as the city council intended


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Ha ha ha ha ha!

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by map

My concern about the extension of the WOW trail to The Weirs, besides the destruction of the train tracks, would be the possibility of drawing the rif raf from downtown into the area, thus increasing crime.

The rif raf do not need the trail they already walk down the tracks.


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[map]

Originally Posted by joey2665

The rif raf do not need the trail they already walk down the tracks.


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Good point. I didn’t think of that.

[Mr. V]

The "rif raf" you guys are snidely disparaging are presumably "locals" who for whatever reason never got got traction in their lives.

Might it not be best to focus on inclusion as opposed to exclusion?

"The poor you will always have with you:" --- J. Christ

One earmark of a truly enlightened society is how its advantaged members treat its disadvantaged members.

Just sayin'.

[map]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

The "rif raf" you guys are snidely disparaging are presumably "locals" who for whatever reason never got got traction in their lives.

Might it not be best to focus on inclusion as opposed to exclusion?

"The poor you will always have with you:" --- J. Christ

One earmark of a truly enlightened society is how its advantaged members treat its disadvantaged members.

Just sayin'.

Ummm- no. We are talking about drug dealers and addicts and criminals. Not simply people of lesser means. You can "include" all those criminals at your place. I don't want them at mine.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

The "rif raf" you guys are snidely disparaging are presumably "locals" who for whatever reason never got got traction in their lives.

Might it not be best to focus on inclusion as opposed to exclusion?

"The poor you will always have with you:" --- J. Christ

One earmark of a truly enlightened society is how its advantaged members treat its disadvantaged members.

Just sayin'.

Local or not doesn’t matter we are talking about criminals and addicts not just the poor homeless or unemployed.

Maybe if 3 of these rif raf walked off the railroad tracks broke in stole and damaged your home like they did to me you might think differently.


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[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Local or not doesn’t matter we are talking about criminals and addicts not just the poor homeless or unemployed. Maybe if 3 of these rif raf walked off the railroad tracks broke in stole and damaged your home like they did to me you might think differently. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'd certainly want to prosecute and punish anyone, from any background, who burglarized my home: that is inexcusable behavior by anyone, whoever they are.

But that's not the issue.

The issue is how you and others here are singling out, judging, and condemning a class of your fellow Americans based upon fear and quasi-hysteria, ala Fox News.

Sure, many addicts are criminals, but not all are; just as many non-addicts, folks from privileged backgrounds, turn to crime.

Criminal behavior cuts across all socio-economic lines: always has, always will.

No,the WOW trail isn't the real problem: our society and its failure to engage all of its members is the problem.

You want to end homelessness, end addiction?

Give people meaning and something to live for.

Easy to say, hard to do, but that is what it would take.

[Major]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

The "rif raf" you guys are snidely disparaging are presumably "locals" who for whatever reason never got got traction in their lives.

Might it not be best to focus on inclusion as opposed to exclusion?

"The poor you will always have with you:" --- J. Christ

One earmark of a truly enlightened society is how its advantaged members treat its disadvantaged members.

Just sayin'.

Exactly how does inclusion work? I love it when liberals cite or refer to Jesus, all while trying to completely remove religion from society to create the perfect secular state. Plus your quote is completely misguided. There is a huge difference between being poor and being a drug dealer and a drug user. My grandparents were poor, but they lived with dignity and grace.


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[trfour]

Local businesses, Patrick's for one, and all!!

[Major]

Originally Posted by trfour

Local businesses, Patrick's for one, and all!!

Not a big fan of Patrick’s or the WOW trail!


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[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by Major

I love it when liberals cite or refer to Jesus, all while trying to completely remove religion from society to create the perfect secular state.

Wrong on both counts: I'm liberal, I vote Libertarian: always.

I'm not religious, I'm an atheist.

[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

Wrong on both counts: I'm liberal, I vote Libertarian: always.

I'm not religious, I'm an atheist.

Oops, meant "I am NOT liberall..."

[Major]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

Wrong on both counts: I'm liberal, I vote Libertarian: always.

I'm not religious, I'm an atheist.

Why am I not surprised. (By the way how am I wrong in calling you a liberal when you say “I’m liberal!”)


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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Mr. V

Wrong on both counts: I'm liberal, I vote Libertarian: always.

I'm not religious, I'm an atheist.

I’m a little confused. Libertarians and liberals are 2 different philosophies and atheists certainly do not quite Jesus.


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[Wifi-1]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I’m a little confused. Libertarians and liberals are 2 different philosophies and atheists certainly do not quite Jesus.


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Certainly agree with you here. Distraction by argument (or meaningless babbling), that is the liberal way.

[Outdoorsman]

There is NO length the "self entitled" ppl at SD/LB will go to just to get their way.

“As some of you may know, I’ve taken a no-sanctuary-city pledge,” Spanos said at the public library forum sponsored by the Long Bay and South Down homeowners associations.

WOW Trail

The candidates took several questions about a proposal to extend the WOW Trail from Lakeport to The Weirs. The extension would be in a railroad corridor that skirts Paugus Bay on one side and the gated communities of Long Bay and South Down on the other.

Some residents have said it could pose safety concerns when they move their boats down to the water. Some fear privacy invasion and crime.

Hosmer said he supports extending the trail if a compromise could be found that would deal with the concerns of all involved.

“The last place anybody wants to end up is in court,” he said. “I would seek, if I were the mayor, to play an active role as facilitator because mediation is less expensive than litigation.”

Spanos also said he would make it a priority to bring the homeowners and trail proponents together.

“I think the WOW Trail is a great idea, and I’d certainly like to see it extended to The Weirs,” he said. “It makes sense for the tourism industry up here, but not over any neighbor’s objections.”

NO PAC monies involved here.....

[Dhamma]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I’m a little confused. Libertarians and liberals are 2 different philosophies and atheists certainly do not quite Jesus.


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Atheist dont believe in God but most agree that there was a rabbi called Yeshua, A/K/A Jesus. Theres enough talk about him to think that he existed.
On the other hand, there is no proof of a God who wants or needs to be worshiped.

Just saying

The only part of the WOW trail I've been on was behind Autoswerve. Whenever I had my free oil change I would walk down back to the WoW trail. gotta say, there were some iffy characters hanging out down there every now and then.
Didn't look like walkers, didn't look like runners, didn't look like bike riders.

[8gv]

Hey Fatlazyless...

Can you post up some more to bring some sanity back to this thread?

Thanks!

[Wifi-1]

Originally Posted by 8gv

Hey Fatlazyless...

Can you post up some more to bring some sanity back to this thread?

Thanks!

LOLOL...

Now that I laughed, it's normal for him to throw some disconnected distraction in.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by 8gv

Hey Fatlazyless...

Can you post up some more to bring some sanity back to this thread?

Thanks!

Question: Does a 9-mile long x 12'-wide wow trail, running from Lakeport to Weirs Beach to Meredith in place of the existing single 8'6" wide railroad ties and tracks need to be a paved asphalt surface, or could it be a more natural sand and small pea stone gravel surface?

That is a very good question, and thank you very much for asking. I do not know but think the more natural sand and small pea stone gravel would be a better, more natural fit and look for replacing the existing railroad, single track.

What the 12-mile long www.cottonvalleyrailtrail.org in Wolfeboro and towns to the east has is a sand and small pea stone gravel surface, as opposed to black asphalt. So, apparently the sand and small pea stone is probably doable? It sure looks a lot better than the black asphalt that's the same as a roadway.

[8gv]

Thank you!

[Trail Goer]

On Monday the Laconia City Council, is going to vote on a resolution to have the tracks pulled up infavor for the WOW Trail from Lakeport to Weirs Beach.

The resolution, authored by Mayor Ed Engler, also pledges that the City Council will “work cooperatively with representatives of neighboring communities to study what actions may be necessary to gain state and federal approval for the rail-to-trail project.”

For the rest of the article
https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...aba4936a99.htm

[fatlazyless]

In brief, the details of today's LaDaSun article basically say the Wow Trail will only get constructed if the single, existing railroad track is removed.

The existing railroad track including the wood ties are about nine feet wide, and the Wow Trail will be about twelve feet wide.

With the single track removed, it also removes the need for an ugly safety fence that would hinder the view out to the lake ….. so, that's a huge plus!

Building the Wow Trail is big for building the future of Laconia!

[8gv]

How do the railroad stake holders respond?

How does the state respond?

This seems like a line in the sand will be drawn.

[fatlazyless]

Originally Posted by 8gv

This seems like a line in the sand will be drawn.

Yes, seems like a permanent Wow Trail killer, impossible problem to overcome .... and Colin Van Ostern actually came so very close to winning that Nov, 2016 governor's race ..... boo-hoo.

Are you familiar with those tour bus trolleys which are basically a bus that's made to look like an old fashioned trolley train? Well ...... a tour bus trolley obviously has a tour bus trolley driver because it is basically a motor vehicle similar to a car or a truck with rubber tires, and the driver can double as a tour guide announcer as she/he drives the trolley.

So, with a twelve foot wide Wow Trail roadway, there's enough room for an eight foot wide trolley moving along at a slow 9-mph pace to share the roadway with the pedestrians, runners, roller skaters, and non-motorized bicyclists ...... especially if there's an extra three foot shoulder space in addition to the twelve foot wide Wow Trail.

Something to think about; reconstructing the railroad track by removing the steel rails, digging out the wood ties, and constructing a smooth 12'-wide roadway, used by pedestrians, runners, roller skaters, non-motorized bicycles, and 8'-wide tour bus trolleys with tourists on board, out for a ride, just like that old railroad train, except without the railroad tracks.

Sounds like a job for a John Deere loader with a back hoe!

By going from steel wheel trains, to rubber tire trolleys, it opens up that very scenic, state owned Winnipesaukee embankment to new local and tourist-visitor use.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by map

Good point. I didn’t think of that.

I had a home in Long Bay for 12 years and it was broken into by such rif raf that entered the community from the tracks. Not only did they steal the tv and computer they are all the food in the fridge.

This is why in many WOW Trail discussions I always disagreed with the argument that the trail would provide easier access. They already have easy access.

[Major]

Originally Posted by joey2665

I had a home in Long Bay for 12 years and it was broken into by such rif raf that entered the community from the tracks. Not only did they steal the tv and computer they are all the food in the fridge.

This is why in many WOW Trail discussions I always disagreed with the argument that the trail would provide easier access. They already have easy access.

But you have to admit a paved trail will make it somewhat easier, right? The tracks are kind of a pain to walk on. Plus, they’re nearly impossible to bike on.


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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Major

But you have to admit a paved trail will make it somewhat easier, right? The tracks are kind of a pain to walk on. Plus, they’re nearly impossible to bike on.


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My experience with these people is if there is a will there is a way. Paved or not.


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