The Dive!

[Taz]

Originally Posted by joey2665

Thanks Taz. I didn’t see your question and their response on their page. Hopefully good news for the neighborhood that it will be occasionally leaving.


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It wasn't my question but I did see others asking and saw their quote to one of them. Still not sure I buy it though. Now they are further away from Braun Bay and Smalls Cove than last year. Going to Margate would also be a chore because it seems they would have to leave early morning and return after dark when the channel is not busy like work barges would. Then if they do go to Margate say on a Saturday they would lose out on pier business if they have to return later in the evening. Will have to see how it unfolds.

[smith point boater]

The Dive is not visible on Weirs cam right now. Traveling or moved??

[webmaster]

Originally Posted by smith point boater

The Dive is not visible on Weirs cam right now. Traveling or moved??

They're at the gas dock pumping out:

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Taz

It wasn't my question but I did see others asking and saw their quote to one of them. Still not sure I buy it though. Now they are further away from Braun Bay and Smalls Cove than last year. Going to Margate would also be a chore because it seems they would have to leave early morning and return after dark when the channel is not busy like work barges would. Then if they do go to Margate say on a Saturday they would lose out on pier business if they have to return later in the evening. Will have to see how it unfolds.

They are actually much closer to Braun Bay and can access other gathering spots like Timber Island and Patrician Shores


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[Woodsy]

The Pier is a commercial entity that has always had boats docked there. While I do sympathize with the property owners, they did buy next to a commercial enterprise and have to expect issues like this to arise.

Because the Dive is registered & licensed vessel, (that can and will leave & return) I seriously doubt the Pier is violating ANY town ordinances by having it docked at the end.

Woodsy

[Taz]

Originally Posted by joey2665

They are actually much closer to Braun Bay and can access other gathering spots like Timber Island and Patrician Shores


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Maybe closer to Braun, maybe wrong about that but its still probably a 2 hour ride given how slow it is. I don't see anyway they go to Timber. Its not a sand bar so you can not walk to it and they can not use spuds there, also not enough customers there. There would be much more business at Smalls and Braun. I think Patrician would be tough. Its not nearly as big as Smalls, Braun and if they don't get there early all the boats will box them out to get to shallow water to use spuds and walk to it. I would be very surprised if they go to Patrician.

I agree with your earlier comment. I think they may stay at the pier a lot more than people think or they say. Many customers and not the headaches of driving long distances and then running out of supplies so far away. They said them selves that was a challenge for them.

[Phantom]

Taz - I respectfully disagree with only one of your comments ….. I see Patrician as an ideal location (somewhat closer than Braun) that area has vast sandbar area for the Spuds & draws a good sized crowd. Yes, it drops off quickly but again plenty of shoreline to find a spot provided they arrive before 10:00a.

The other unmentioned spot -- and it is where I think they will go often is to the Margate ……….. provided that they can fit under the bridge. Again, they would have to transport early so as to avoid the channel congestion.

All in all -- I like the idea of the Dive on the Lake -- I also can sympathize with the abutters view & their concerns -- yet, the Dive adds new character to the Lake, certainly is a talking piece when taking visitors on a ride, presents a unique place to take visitors periodically ….. but I have to admit (yes I have been aboard a few times) not a place you would hang out at every weekend....unfortunately- seems everyone here has been trying to "sink" it from the onset.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Taz - I respectfully disagree with only one of your comments ….. I see Patrician as an ideal location (somewhat closer than Braun) that area has vast sandbar area for the Spuds & draws a good sized crowd. Yes, it drops off quickly but again plenty of shoreline to find a spot provided they arrive before 10:00a.

The other unmentioned spot -- and it is where I think they will go often is to the Margate ……….. provided that they can fit under the bridge. Again, they would have to transport early so as to avoid the channel congestion.

All in all -- I like the idea of the Dive on the Lake -- I also can sympathize with the abutters view & their concerns -- yet, the Dive adds new character to the Lake, certainly is a talking piece when taking visitors on a ride, presents a unique place to take visitors periodically ….. but I have to admit (yes I have been aboard a few times) not a place you would hang out at every weekend....unfortunately- seems everyone here has been trying to "sink" it from the onset.

Well said Phantom. I agree with you completely on all accounts

[Taz]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Taz - I respectfully disagree with only one of your comments ….. I see Patrician as an ideal location (somewhat closer than Braun) that area has vast sandbar area for the Spuds & draws a good sized crowd. Yes, it drops off quickly but again plenty of shoreline to find a spot provided they arrive before 10:00a.

Everything of course is all speculation. Who knows how it will unfold. At Patrician, you get mostly 1 line up of boats and then a few smaller ones get in behind that 1 line. I'm sure if you count up the boats there compared to Smalls, Braun and the Margate there is much more potential business at those locations than Patrician.

Margate is not unmentioned. I referred to it in an earlier post today and it has been mentioned in other Dive threads previously. I think the Margate is the best spot for the Dive especially now that they are docked at Weirs. Its large, a lot of boats and minimal impact to shore front properties. The challenge will be navigating the channel. Work barges I am told go early morning and late in the day. It would be very difficult for 2 way traffic when the Dive is in the channel.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Taz

Everything of course is all speculation. Who knows how it will unfold. At Patrician, you get mostly 1 line up of boats and then a few smaller ones get in behind that 1 line. I'm sure if you count up the boats there compared to Smalls, Braun and the Margate there is much more potential business at those locations than Patrician.

Margate is not unmentioned. I referred to it in an earlier post today and it has been mentioned in other Dive threads previously. I think the Margate is the best spot for the Dive especially now that they are docked at Weirs. Its large, a lot of boats and minimal impact to shore front properties. The challenge will be navigating the channel. Work barges I am told go early morning and late in the day. It would be very difficult for 2 way traffic when the Dive is in the channel.

That’s exactly what the Dive did last year. They were at the West Alton sand bar by 8 am and stayed till around 10 when the crowd died down.


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[Woodsy]

AC2717...

Weirs Beach does have a separate noise ordinance than the city does.... no amplified music outside after 10:30pm, with the exception being Bike Week.

I don't think noisy patrons at the restaurant at the end of the Pier will qualify as a noise complaint in a zone that is designated commercial resort.

You were totally within your rights to argue with China Bistro... you could hear that thumping bass 1/2 way across the lake!

Woodsy

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Taz - I respectfully disagree with only one of your comments ….. I see Patrician as an ideal location (somewhat closer than Braun) that area has vast sandbar area for the Spuds & draws a good sized crowd. Yes, it drops off quickly but again plenty of shoreline to find a spot provided they arrive before 10:00a.

The other unmentioned spot -- and it is where I think they will go often is to the Margate ……….. provided that they can fit under the bridge. Again, they would have to transport early so as to avoid the channel congestion.

All in all -- I like the idea of the Dive on the Lake -- I also can sympathize with the abutters view & their concerns -- yet, the Dive adds new character to the Lake, certainly is a talking piece when taking visitors on a ride, presents a unique place to take visitors periodically ….. but I have to admit (yes I have been aboard a few times) not a place you would hang out at every weekend....unfortunately- seems everyone here has been trying to "sink" it from the onset.

Very well said. This is likely the crowd that the Dive is looking for.

[znh]

Originally Posted by joey2665

They are actually much closer to Braun Bay and can access other gathering spots like Timber Island and Patrician Shores


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This place is just a rumor, it doesn't actually exist so no way for them to go there

Also, if this boat is just tied up to the Wiers what is really the point of going on it? Then it just becomes another restaurant with a nice view, but really the quality of the food IMO does not justify going on there if it is tied up to the pier, especially with so many other options all around it.

Now when it was at West Alton it was the only option so the food was great and it was certainly fun to jump on, grab a beer and some snacks with friends and family...

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by znh

This place is just a rumor, it doesn't actually exist so no way for them to go there



Also, if this boat is just tied up to the Wiers what is really the point of going on it? Then it just becomes another restaurant with a nice view, but really the quality of the food IMO does not justify going on there if it is tied up to the pier, especially with so many other options all around it.

I agree I doubt I will go if it's just sitting there at the dock

Now when it was at West Alton it was the only option so the food was great and it was certainly fun to jump on, grab a beer and some snacks with friends and family...

Very true as it will be in places like Braun, Margate and the mythical Patrician Shores

[Taz]

Originally Posted by znh

This place is just a rumor, it doesn't actually exist so no way for them to go there

Also, if this boat is just tied up to the Wiers what is really the point of going on it? Then it just becomes another restaurant with a nice view, but really the quality of the food IMO does not justify going on there if it is tied up to the pier, especially with so many other options all around it.

Now when it was at West Alton it was the only option so the food was great and it was certainly fun to jump on, grab a beer and some snacks with friends and family...

Totally agree with you on all points. I was saying the same thing to my spouse. "Its just another lakefront restaurant tied up." I have been on the Dive and the food is not as good as other restaurants, the drinks were ok but not for the price and I have had better drinks for cheaper at other lake front establishments. NASWA, Town Docks for instance have better food and better drinks at a cheaper price IMO. Plus you can boat to those establishments and tie up. I refuse to tie up at Weirs town docks as mentioned in many posts about Weirs town docks.

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Taz

Totally agree with you on all points. I was saying the same thing to my spouse. "Its just another lakefront restaurant tied up." I have been on the Dive and the food is not as good as other restaurants, the drinks were ok but not for the price and I have had better drinks for cheaper at other lake front establishments. NASWA, Town Docks for instance have better food and better drinks at a cheaper price IMO. Plus you can boat to those establishments and tie up. I refuse to tie up at Weirs town docks as mentioned in many posts about Weirs town docks.

Absolutely, the "charm" of the Dive is pulling up or wading over to it while out on the water not to walk to it from a dock and it sits still. As you mention I would much prefer Town Docks, NASWA or other various choices in Alton Wolfeboro, Center Harbor and Meredith

[tis]

At least Weirs is more commercial than West Alton so the neighbors must be used the noise and the food smells. It's probably only the blocking of their view that bothers them although I don't know that. I do know we have friends who live in the West Alton area that are very happy it's not there anymore. They got sick of the smells and the noise at night-apparently especially the not very talented karaoke singers. . But seriously, they were ready to sell.

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by tis

At least Weirs is more commercial than West Alton so the neighbors must be used the noise and the food smells. It's probably only the blocking of their view that bothers them although I don't know that. I do know we have friends who live in the West Alton area that are very happy it's not there anymore. They got sick of the smells and the noise at night-apparently especially the not very talented karaoke singers. . But seriously, they were ready to sell.

Doing the types of things the dive will need to do to survive, Karoke, having late night loud music, and crowds... are going to be a problem for people close by to where ever they may set up.

In my belief in order to survive, the DIVE needs to be as mobile as possible, visiting different locations for the day ever weekend. I could deal with a party next door for a day, most people I believe can... Having the party next door every weekend does get a bit old.

OR

The dive needs to find a location where they can conduct business everyday, no matter the weather. And once in a while venture out when conditions are right or they have a chartered engagement. This appears to be what they are attempting this year. How much they will venture out seems to be the real question... And it will be answered over the course of the summer.

[Phantom]

With the many establishment owners who are -- I find it odd that after two years there is no one from the Dive on this Forum …

Certainly they are aware of it (I personally told them a couple of times last season) ……………. or are they simply "Lurking" !!

[tis]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

Doing the types of things the dive will need to do to survive, Karoke, having late night loud music, and crowds... are going to be a problem for people close by to where ever they may set up.

In my belief in order to survive, the DIVE needs to be as mobile as possible, visiting different locations for the day ever weekend. I could deal with a party next door for a day, most people I believe can... Having the party next door every weekend does get a bit old.

OR

The dive needs to find a location where they can conduct business everyday, no matter the weather. And once in a while venture out when conditions are right or they have a chartered engagement. This appears to be what they are attempting this year. How much they will venture out seems to be the real question... And it will be answered over the course of the summer.

I totally agree with you. Once in a while would be ok but every night would be tough. Who wants a loud party in their yard every night? I would think the noise and food smell wouldn't be an issue at the Weirs but where it is parked is an issue for the homeowners there. They almost have it figured out!!!

[fatlazyless]

Isn't there a local Laconia attorney who used to be Mayor of Laconia who advertises on the front page of the LaDaSun ..... so he must be look'n for new clients ..... as the former mayor .... he could be an attorney familiar with the local agencies and good to represent a Simpson Ave home owner look'n for a legal remedy.

I rest my case!

And, the best defense is a good offense. ..... General George Washington, 1777

[Descant]

Sometime back there was some info about the Dive trying to work with Wolfeboro to use public docks. It appeared to me that they had already scheduled some Wolfeboro charters.
Any more info on that? (I think the issues of distance, etc. have already been thrashed around.)

[jazzman]

I never heard anything about Wolfeboro. I'm sure Jo Green's wouldn't like it much. It would be a terrible match anyway. Wolfeboro isn't exactly a Dive kinda place. The Weir's is a good home for it. It's just too bad they're abusing that dock by sticking 65 feet out in the wrong direction and being a bad neighbor.

I think people will have to hold onto their drinks if they're going to stay broadside to the waves that might be there in the summer. Things get tough on the Akwa docks. I assume it's similar broadside to the water on winni pier.