New Hampshire State Ranking

[joey2665]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Yup--all the kids are lazy. It has nothing to do with the fact that there's been an exponential rise in the need for education--high school diplomas are no longer the minimum requirement to succeed in America--at the same time as tuitions have risen and salaries remained the same (with inflation, mostly dropped).

These are real problems on their way, but at least we can rely on people like you to name call rather than discuss. Bravo!

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This is very inaccurate. This is a misnomer many try to pro-port. College educations are not necessary to make a good living.

High school diplomas are good for many high paying jobs, many union jobs such as truck driving, plumbers electricians and other trade jobs. These jobs have pay rates closer to 80-100 per hour with excellent benefits. There is a severe shortage of these trade skill labor type worker.

However they do require hard physical labor that this generation does not seem to embrace.

In reality these jobs have higher pay and better benefits than those with liberal arts degrees that cost over 100,000.00



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[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by joey2665

This is very inaccurate. This is a misnomer many try to pro-port. College educations are not necessary to make a good living.

High school diplomas are good for many high paying jobs, many union jobs such as truck driving, plumbers electricians and other trade jobs. These jobs have pay rates closer to 80-100 per hour with excellent benefits. There is a severe shortage of these trade skill labor type worker.

However they do require hard physical labor that this generation does not seem to embrace.

In reality these jobs have higher pay and better benefits than those with liberal arts degrees that cost over 100,000.00



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I didn't say only college--even trade schools are becoming prohibitively expensive, as my nephew, who is an incredibly hard worker, has figured out. Even though he's willing to work for the dealership he's at, and even though they're willing to send him for some training, it's gonna take a long time to get the education he needs to make decent money.

My other nephew is currently pursuing an electrician's license, which also requires a lot of education and apprenticeship time, and is in a similar boat.

My father, with an 8th grade education, ran machines for 40 years. In his last ten, they wouldn't hire anyone without some credentials, most with college degrees.

There's a reason so many young people are living at home with their parents until much later, and it has nothing to do with laziness or choice. The cost of living--rent, food, etc.--has outgrown the access to well-paying jobs.

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[Woody38]

Sorry Joey
I am a resident of NH.
I have not seen any independent study showing that only 6% paid more.
We know the billionaires paid considerably less. Most I hear is that refunds are less than 2017.
I pay more if fed tax than the average income in most red states.

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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by Woody38

Sorry Joey

I am a resident of NH.

I have not seen any independent study showing that only 6% paid more.

We know the billionaires paid considerably less. Most I hear is that refunds are less than 2017.

I pay more if fed tax than the average income in most red states.



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Nothing to do with red or blue but about high state income and high property tax. I never said only 6% paid more


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[joey2665]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

I didn't say only college--even trade schools are becoming prohibitively expensive, as my nephew, who is an incredibly hard worker, has figured out. Even though he's willing to work for the dealership he's at, and even though they're willing to send him for some training, it's gonna take a long time to get the education he needs to make decent money.

My other nephew is currently pursuing an electrician's license, which also requires a lot of education and apprenticeship time, and is in a similar boat.

My father, with an 8th grade education, ran machines for 40 years. In his last ten, they wouldn't hire anyone without some credentials, most with college degrees.

There's a reason so many young people are living at home with their parents until much later, and it has nothing to do with laziness or choice. The cost of living--rent, food, etc.--has outgrown the access to well-paying jobs.

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Sorry you did say high school in your post. Also again many return to live with their parents from college because they chosen to waste money and obtain a useless liberal arts diploma instead of focusing on a career track.


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[TiltonBB]

There are many ways to get ahead and college is not a necessity. In my 20's, 30's and 40's I worked at three jobs and bought real estate. If you talk to someone that works 35 hours per week now and tell them they should get a second job, they don't even know what you are talking about.

I had a friend who was a school teacher and a smoker and he was jealous of some things I owned. I suggested he quit smoking and get a full time job and it didn't go well..............

It is also a travesty that people like Liz Warren taught one class and made over $300, 000 per year. High salaries like that put college out or reach or result in large debt to those who do want to go. Tuition costs are out of control.

Many of today's young people make choices involving drugs, smoking, alcohol, tattoos, and other items that cost money and then can't figure out why they live paycheck to paycheck.

It's all about choices.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

There are many ways to get ahead and college is not a necessity. In my 20's, 30's and 40's I worked at three jobs and bought real estate. If you talk to someone that works 35 hours per week now and tell them they should get a second job, they don't even know what you are talking about.



I had a friend who was a school teacher and a smoker and he was jealous of some things I owned. I suggested he quit smoking and get a full time job and it didn't go well..............



It is also a travesty that people like Liz Warren taught one class and made over $300, 000 per year. High salaries like that put college out or reach or result in large debt to those who do want to go. Tuition costs are out of control.



Many of today's young people make choices involving drugs, smoking, alcohol, tattoos, and other items that cost money and then can't figure out why they live paycheck to paycheck.



It's all about choices.

That's my point, Tilton--the world you (and, for the most part, I) grew up in no longer exists. My students are only making a couple bucks more an hour than I was two decades ago, but the expenses--insurance, car maintenance, rent, etc.--have gone up way more than that.

But you're right--the cost of education also has to be examined. It's a two-sided problem, but neither will be fixed without honest discussion.

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[Woody38]

Joey, the statement about 6% was not your post but someone else.
Actually my fed tax is around double that income in most red states. Those are the states with most people earning what I call little income. Not that it is necessarily their own fault.

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[ApS]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

There are many ways to get ahead and college is not a necessity. In my 20's, 30's and 40's I worked at three jobs and bought real estate. If you talk to someone that works 35 hours per week now and tell them they should get a second job, they don't even know what you are talking about. I had a friend who was a school teacher and a smoker and he was jealous of some things I owned. I suggested he quit smoking and get a full time job and it didn't go well.............. It is also a travesty that people like Liz Warren taught one class and made over $300, 000 per year. High salaries like that put college out or reach or result in large debt to those who do want to go. Tuition costs are out of control. Many of today's young people make choices involving drugs, smoking, alcohol, tattoos, and other items that cost money and then can't figure out why they live paycheck to paycheck.

It's all about choices.

1) It's all about choices...was the title of a monthly newsletter I wrote for a club (regarding automobile safety).

2) Someone with tattoos has little room to complain about an income-gap.

3) Jerry Seinfeld discovers the value of visual arts while teaching High School:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdf_XdDwc-o

[ApS]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

There are many ways to get ahead and college is not a necessity. In my 20's, 30's and 40's I worked at three jobs and bought real estate. If you talk to someone that works 35 hours per week now and tell them they should get a second job, they don't even know what you are talking about. I had a friend who was a school teacher and a smoker and he was jealous of some things I owned. I suggested he quit smoking and get a full time job and it didn't go well...It is also a travesty that people like Liz Warren taught one class and made over $300,000 per year. High salaries like that put college out or reach or result in large debt to those who do want to go. Tuition costs are out of control. Many of today's young people make choices involving drugs, smoking, alcohol, tattoos, and other items that cost money and then can't figure out why they live paycheck to paycheck. It's all about choices.

The former head of the university system in the same state retired with a pension of $10,000 per month!

To move up to higher income, consider a career in Politics.

Move laws to ban nice things and replace them with annoying things, but make sure The Electorate can "feel good" about you and your various bannings—like the ban on plastic straws.

But be sure to have previously invested in paper straw corporations, and sold "short" on plastic straws.