Homeowner didn't like fisherman getting close to property

jr616 · 10-04-2018, 04:24 PM

We've always found the Bass guys in our cove to be extremely respectful of the lake, our dock and our boat.

Most of they bass boats cost a great deal of money and I am certain this captain has no intention of hitting anything - he's out to fish. Plus those boats are so incredibly maneuverable it's ridiculous!

This woman, while concerned could have handled it much differently and most certainly needs to learn the law of the lake.

Legend10 handled it quite well IMHO

DesertDweller · 10-04-2018, 04:50 PM

I agree the guy fishing handled that pretty well and agree with what he was saying. With that said, the Jonathan's Landing marina is really narrow and the last thing they need is people bringing boats in there other than for the purpose of docking. Last I checked, it's a pretty big lake with lots of places with bass where he could fish in peace.

rick35 · 10-04-2018, 05:42 PM

Just because the fisherman has the right to fish there doesn’t mean he has to. He could easily have moved on and avoided the whole situation. Doesn’t matter that the woman was wrong. Take the high ground and move on. People are so much more adversarial. Social media (i.e. texting etc) is not helping our social skills.

Not to Worry · 10-04-2018, 06:00 PM

I have no issue with someone fishing docks. I do think it is rude when they camp there versus just drifting by the dock and casting. I am an avid fisherman and I respect the privacy of homeowners. There is no reason why anyone needed to fish inside of JL marina. Yes, I understand that the guy argued he was "entitled' to fish there but to me that just made him a pompous ass. He did to need to be there and I am wondering if he went looking for a confrontation. I thought it odd that they never pointed the camera at the women...maybe they were concerned about consent and the abilty to legally record?

Just because someone can legally do something does not make it right.

DesertDweller · 10-04-2018, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Not to Worry

I have no issue with someone fishing docks. I do think it is rude when they camp there versus just drifting by the dock and casting. I am an avid fisherman and I respect the privacy of homeowners. There is no reason why anyone needed to fish inside of JL marina. Yes, I understand that the guy argued he was "entitled' to fish there but to me that just made him a pompous ass. He did to need to be there and I am wondering if he went looking for a confrontation. I thought it odd that they never pointed the camera at the women...maybe they were concerned about consent and the abilty to legally record?

Just because someone can legally do something does not make it right.

I agree with your point on looking for a confrontation. To me it's pretty clear that this is a major pet peeve of his and he likely has a lot of experience responding to people that try to chase him off.

rick35 · 10-04-2018, 09:30 PM

Where's the sport in fishing a dock like that? It doesn't look very different than when I was 12 and a buddy and I had a kibbie catching contest on our dock. Just needed a couple of kiddie rods, some wonder bread and a couple of buckets to hold the fish.

Top-Water · 10-04-2018, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by rick35

Where's the sport in fishing a dock like that?

He's probably looking for the less abundant large mouth bass. Usually found on Winni. very close to shore near weeds, docks, stationary objects and bait fish in protected calm waters off the main lake basin. Often they are a much "larger" and harder to find fish than the more abundant and (smaller) small- mouth bass that tend to live in a somewhat (for lack of a better term) opposite habitat during most times of the year.

Not my cup of tea, I personally would rather be in 30 to 50 ft depths but thought I would point out the difference. For many, maybe even most people that fish, especially folks that enjoy catching this larger species, this is there favorite style and type of fishing and is very often the only method they are confident with when they go out.

Looking at this persons other videos a large mouth fisherman going after pretty much this species only.

ApS · 10-05-2018, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rick35

Where's the sport in fishing a dock like that? It doesn't look very different than when I was 12 and a buddy and I had a kibbie catching contest on our dock. Just needed a couple of kiddie rods, some wonder bread and a couple of buckets to hold the fish.

I'm reminded of a rental next door. Early every morning, they'd jump in their expensive bass boat and race off to fish.

Not long afterwards, a different expensive bass boat would race in, and start fishing the dock that had just been left by the renter!

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ThePlut · 10-05-2018, 07:58 AM

Of course he's in the right, he can fish wherever he wants.

But there is a pervasive issue these days with a lack of respect for other people and other people's property. I wonder, if he HAD bumped another boat, or snagged a line on a cover, or a prop, would this video still be posted? Would he have left a note and taken responsibility? Or would he have hoped no one saw and skedaddled?

I like to think it's the former, because I think people are basically good or want to be.

But if my boat were in there, I'd be afraid of the latter too...

Yup, the bad actors ruin it for everyone.

Shrimpbrain · 10-05-2018, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePlut

Of course he's in the right, he can fish wherever he wants.

But there is a PERSAUSIVE issue these days with a lack of respect for other people and other people's property. I WONDER, IF he HAD bumped another boat, OR snagged a line on a cover, or a prop, WOULD this video still be posted? WOULD HE have left a note and taken responsibility? OR would he have hoped no one saw and skedaddled?

I like to THINK it's the former, BECAUSE I THINK people are basically good or want to be.

But if my boat were in there, I'd be afraid of the latter too..

Yup, the bad actors ruin it for everyone.

Persuasive.. I Wonder... If He Had.. Or..... Is it possibe... Would This... Because I think.... I'd Be Afraid.... REALLY PEOPLE, seriously ???????? Maybe, If he did, What happens if? It's possible....It could happen....IF IF IF IF IF IF. Please state FACTS !

The Lake is OWNED by the State. PERIOD... He did have EVERY RIGHT in the world to fish there. Period... He was EXTREMELY POLITE and Knowledgeable of the rules of the STATE OF NH, obviously she wasn't. I actually know the guys and there is absolutely NO WAY (FACT) that he went in there looking for a confrontation. Just not going to happen. (FACT). She was TOTALLY WRONG and he was TOTALLY RIGHT AND LEGAL.

rick35 · 10-05-2018, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Shrimpbrain

Persuasive.. I Wonder... If He Had.. Or..... Is it possibe... Would This... Because I think.... I'd Be Afraid.... REALLY PEOPLE, seriously ???????? Maybe, If he did, What happens if? It's possible....It could happen....IF IF IF IF IF IF. Please state FACTS !

The Lake is OWNED by the State. PERIOD... He did have EVERY RIGHT in the world to fish there. Period... He was EXTREMELY POLITE and Knowledgeable of the rules of the STATE OF NH, obviously she wasn't. I actually know the guys and there is absolutely NO WAY (FACT) that he went in there looking for a confrontation. Just not going to happen. (FACT). She was TOTALLY WRONG and he was TOTALLY RIGHT AND LEGAL.

Property owner? You can usually tell the ones who are are aren’t as they tend to be more militant about their rights.

rick35 · 10-05-2018, 10:37 AM

I don’t think anyone will argue about a fisherman’s right to use the lake. I just don’t like it when he feels he needs to jam it down my throat.

ApS · 10-07-2018, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rick35

I don’t think anyone will argue about a fisherman’s right to use the lake. I just don’t like it when he feels he needs to jam it down my throat.

"Visitors" own the lake's waters.

This private beach is clearly marked by a sign "uninviting" visitors.

Not my $4½M property, but "visitors" to the short private beach within this tiny cove—adjacent to Johnson's Cove—feel entitled to wade ankle-deep there.

The Real BigGuy · 10-06-2018, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrimpbrain

I actually know the guys and there is absolutely NO WAY (FACT) that he went in there looking for a confrontation. Just not going to happen. (FACT).

No, actually both are only your opinions!

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Descant · 10-05-2018, 11:30 AM

I'd guess 99% of dock owners don't mind people fishing nearby. I expect that experience would lead fishermen to not anticipate confrontation. Fishing is very peaceful. Why break the mood with a lot of shouting?
In the meantime, I'd rather have people fishing 20 feet away than dropping anchor 200 feet away and cranking the tunes. Actually, for whatever reasons those who fish and anchor in our area are all pretty quiet.

AC2717 · 10-05-2018, 12:56 PM

does this go for when I am walking around your car in a parking lot and hanging near it while I am on the phone?
to me is it is the same idea, someone telling you to get away from their car on a public street

tis · 10-05-2018, 01:33 PM

AC2717, hit the thanks button by mistake. I don't agree with you. It would be more like a car in your driveway.

I don't see why this guy couldn't just do as this lady asked and go on his way since she was worried he might hit her boat. I think he was just being stubborn.
The fishermen don't bother me at all, they usually throw out their lines and keep going. I do wish they wouldn't leave anything behind though. We just untangled a long fishing line hooked to a tree.

AC2717 · 10-05-2018, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tis

AC2717, hit the thanks button by mistake. I don't agree with you. It would be more like a car in your driveway.

I don't see why this guy couldn't just do as this lady asked and go on his way since she was worried he might hit her boat. I think he was just being stubborn.
The fishermen don't bother me at all, they usually throw out their lines and keep going. I do wish they wouldn't leave anything behind though. We just untangled a long fishing line hooked to a tree.

it wouldn't your driveway is your private property, the water is public land

MAXUM · 10-05-2018, 02:01 PM

To me this is more about common courtesy than it is whether legal or not.

In a situation like that if somebody asked me to move on I would. That said many who own waterfront or are part of an association need to realize that they do not own the lake and cannot just cordon off whatever they deem appropriate to them for their own "personal and private" use.

I do think under the circumstances the fisherman was courteous in discussing this with the woman that was complaining. I've witnessed plenty of situations like that where one side or both get completely metal.

I would only say just because something may be legal to the letter of the law doesn't always mean it's appreciated and a little give and take goes a long way even if it means eating a little humble pie.

kawishiwi · 10-05-2018, 02:19 PM

...most are seeing. The woman was just looking after her boat. The fisherman seemed to be respecting her boat. While she mentioned that it was a 'private' marina she seemed ok with him fishing in there as long as he didnt bump her boat.
It was pretty bold to motor into a tight area like that. I know where that is and it "looks" private to me though its likely not.
For the non-fisherman a little info. That marina, with shallow protected water and all the 'cover' provided by the docks & boats makes that a tremendously attractive place to fish for Largemouth bass. Probably the single most attractive spot...for over a mile, or two, in any direction.

Top-Water · 10-05-2018, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kawishiwi

Largemouth bass. Probably the single most attractive spot...for over a mile, or two, in any direction.

100% correct, and that is why he is there.

tis · 10-05-2018, 03:33 PM

The water is public the docks are not. I guess it would be like sitting at the end of your driveway and blocking you from getting out for a few minutes just became one can. But I can see this discussion is going nowhere as usual. Some of us will think he should have just moved on-common courtesy, and others will think, by God he has a right to be there and should stand his ground!!!!

TiltonBB · 10-05-2018, 04:19 PM

So, for the sake of discussion: I see fisherman in boats in front of my house all the time and I am on a very open part of the lake. Sometimes they are so close it surprises me to look out the front windows and see that a boat is so close.

This has happened to me so here is the question: When they cast, and their line and lure gets caught on your dock or boat lines do you:

A. Let them come onto your property to retrieve it
B. Cut the line and tell them to move on. (option, thank them for your new lure)

C. Try to release their lure without damaging your property
D. You tell me!

ConcernedAngler · 10-06-2018, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tis

AC2717, hit the thanks button by mistake. I don't agree with you. It would be more like a car in your driveway.

I don't see why this guy couldn't just do as this lady asked and go on his way since she was worried he might hit her boat. I think he was just being stubborn.
The fishermen don't bother me at all, they usually throw out their lines and keep going. I do wish they wouldn't leave anything behind though. We just untangled a long fishing line hooked to a tree.

Because she said he was breaking the law and he wasn’t. A lot of the responses in favor of the woman seem to think she is fine with accusing him of breaking the law, when he didn’t. How would you react if you were accused of something you didn’t do??

Charlie T · 10-04-2018, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Not to Worry

I have no issue with someone fishing docks. I do think it is rude when they camp there versus just drifting by the dock and casting. I am an avid fisherman and I respect the privacy of homeowners. There is no reason why anyone needed to fish inside of JL marina. Yes, I understand that the guy argued he was "entitled' to fish there but to me that just made him a pompous ass. He did to need to be there and I am wondering if he went looking for a confrontation. I thought it odd that they never pointed the camera at the women...maybe they were concerned about consent and the abilty to legally record?

Just because someone can legally do something does not make it right.

I tend to believe that he went looking for the confrontation, why would he be recording otherwise. Some people get their jollys by intentionally creating conflict, I'm pretty sure that is what is happening here. As Not to Worry stated Just because someone can legally do something does not make it right! It's a big lake with a lot of good fishing spots. Why not just move on?

mhtranger · 10-05-2018, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlie T

I tend to believe that he went looking for the confrontation, why would he be recording otherwise. Some people get their jollys by intentionally creating conflict, I'm pretty sure that is what is happening here. As Not to Worry stated Just because someone can legally do something does not make it right! It's a big lake with a lot of good fishing spots. Why not just move on?

I think you need to look at his YouTube channel. He does fishing videos. He was not recording “looking for the confrontation.” My Guess he didn’t record the woman because he was being respectful and it is also against YouTube policy.

tis · 10-05-2018, 05:55 AM

Exactly, he wanted the confrontation. It's a big lake, he could have moved on.

ApS · 10-05-2018, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by mhtranger

I think you need to look at his YouTube channel. He does fishing videos. He was not recording “looking for the confrontation.” My Guess he didn’t record the woman because he was being respectful and it is also against YouTube policy.

YouTube is owned by Google, who's adopted "shadow-banning"; wherein, the video appears "live" to the originator but is effectively blocked from Google searches.

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Author and presidential historian Doug Wead says he's being "shadow-banned" by YouTube and its parent organization, Google, and that the visibility of his videos has been restricted in search results.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/08/2...ing-his-videos

Views which averaged 10,000 a day, dropped to 10 a day.

swnoel · 10-05-2018, 08:43 AM

He was lucky she didn't file a charge of sexual assault or rape! Seems to be the way some solve disagreements! This is just another example of wealthy lake front owners being bully's and disregarding the publics right to the body of water they believe they own. She could have gone down , asked how they were doing, and ask that they be careful fishing around the boats, but that's not how the elites are. Wonder why so many people dislike waterfront property owners from out of state!

Top-Water · 10-05-2018, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by swnoel

She could have gone down , asked how they were doing, and ask that they be careful fishing around the boats,

Exactly! .................

joey2665 · 10-05-2018, 08:59 AM

Waterfront property owners need to know and understand the laws of the lake the live on. If she did, she could have easily said them them "I know the law and understand you are allowed to be here but could you please be careful around my boat", but as someone that did not know the law she pretty quickly threatened to call the police which will only escalate the issue.

Biggd · 10-05-2018, 09:11 AM

It takes two willing participants for a confrontation like this. This is not much different than how road rage starts. I know he had every right to fish there but he could easily have moved to another location to defuse the confrontation.
A good friend of mine has a place on Stinson Lake and a few years ago they had an incident at their docks and the guy went to his boat, pulled out a gun and shot the other guy dead.
Is it really worth it for a couple extra fish that he throws back anyway?

Shrimpbrain · 10-05-2018, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Biggd

It takes two willing participants for a confrontation like this. This is not much different than how road rage starts. I know he had every right to fish there but he could easily have moved to another location to defuse the confrontation.
A good friend of mine has a place on Stinson Lake and a few years ago they had an incident at their docks and the guy went to his boat, pulled out a gun and shot the other guy dead.
Is it really worth it for a couple extra fish that he throws back anyway?

IF she had educated her entitled self to learn the rules of the State of NH, she NEVER would have gone done there. Totally different then road rage.. LOL. He has the right to do it. He pays taxes for it like everyone else. And it only takes ONE **** to start an argument. If she knew anything, she wouldn't have said a thing. He didn't argue he was informing her of the LAW. Why Move??

tbonies · 10-05-2018, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Shrimpbrain

IF she had educated her entitled self to learn the rules of the State of NH, she NEVER would have gone done there. Totally different then road rage.. LOL. He has the right to do it. He pays taxes for it like everyone else. And it only takes ONE **** to start an argument. If she knew anything, she wouldn't have said a thing. He didn't argue he was informing her of the LAW. Why Move??

Perhaps to simply love his neighbor?

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Rusty · 10-05-2018, 09:59 AM

The lake has a surface area of 71 sq miles and this guy has to antagonize a slip owner who only wants to make sure her boat doesn't get damaged. The big fish that he wants to catch just have to be in that little open slip..so he thinks anyway.
At the end of the video the other guy on the boat said that they should start her boat motor and see how she reacts..real funny..to them anyway.

Biggd · 10-05-2018, 10:13 AM

About a month ago I was behind 2 casr and we coming up on a part of road where it merged into one lane. Well neither guy in front of me wanted to let the other go ahead. They eventually sideswiped each other. I'm sure the battle continued after they pulled over but I just passed on by. Who was right and who was wrong? Was it really worth it to get one car ahead?
The whole incident could have been avoided if one of them didn't continue the confrontation. I just don't get it?

Biggd · 10-05-2018, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Shrimpbrain

IF she had educated her entitled self to learn the rules of the State of NH, she NEVER would have gone done there. Totally different then road rage.. LOL. He has the right to do it. He pays taxes for it like everyone else. And it only takes ONE **** to start an argument. If she knew anything, she wouldn't have said a thing. He didn't argue he was informing her of the LAW. Why Move??

He was being a A-hole also. There's no reason he couldn't have moved away except that he wanted to continue the confrontation. It takes one A-hole to start an argument but it takes more than one to continue it.

kjkam · 10-05-2018, 08:58 AM

unfortunately for the good fistherman, there are bad ones that have hooked lures on people's docks and boat covers, and left them behind. It' a nice way for a home owner to mass a collection of lures, but also not fun when you grab hold of your cover and get stuck by one.

TiltonBB · 10-05-2018, 09:38 AM

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unfortunately for the good fistherman, there are bad ones that have hooked lures on people's docks and boat covers, and left them behind. It' a nice way for a home owner to mass a collection of lures, but also not fun when you grab hold of your cover and get stuck by one.

I understand the complaint.

I have several docks that are rented out in a commercial area. For many years people came in cars, used my parking lot, and fished from my docks. They left everything from bait to soda cans for me to clean up. Once when I stopped by one of the fisherman was standing on someones swim platform fishing.

After numerous complaints from the tenants renting docks about fish hooks stuck in their lines or their canvas covers I put up several "no fishing/no trespassing" signs. That reduced the complaint s by about 80% but I still find people fishing there several times a year. Some people just don't get it.

Bigstan · 10-05-2018, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by swnoel

He was lucky she didn't file a charge of sexual assault or rape! Seems to be the way some solve disagreements! This is just another example of wealthy lake front owners being bully's and disregarding the publics right to the body of water they believe they own. She could have gone down , asked how they were doing, and ask that they be careful fishing around the boats, but that's not how the elites are. Wonder why so many people dislike waterfront property owners from out of state!

You know she's wealthy how? You can tell she's from out of state because...? She's elite why, becuase she has an average boat docked ?

Thank you Captain political for your insight. I wasn't sure if she was an 'us' or a 'them' , now I know.

SAMIAM · 10-05-2018, 10:30 AM

There was no reason to drive right in between the docks unless he was trying to provoke a confrontation.He could easily have been respectful and stayed 20 or 30 feet out and cast in around the docks.
This is a guy who has issues with people he sees as “entitled”....... looks to me like he is the one that thinks he owns the lake after that set up.

ConcernedAngler · 10-06-2018, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

There was no reason to drive right in between the docks unless he was trying to provoke a confrontation.He could easily have been respectful and stayed 20 or 30 feet out and cast in around the docks.
This is a guy who has issues with people he sees as “entitled”....... looks to me like he is the one that thinks he owns the lake after that set up.

I own on the lake and I fish on the lake. I would rather have someone 5 feet from my boat fishing my dock, than trying to get their bait under the dock from 20-30 ft away.

FlyingScot · 10-05-2018, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by swnoel

He was lucky she didn't file a charge of sexual assault or rape! Seems to be the way some solve disagreements! This is just another example of wealthy lake front owners being bully's and disregarding the publics right to the body of water they believe they own. She could have gone down , asked how they were doing, and ask that they be careful fishing around the boats, but that's not how the elites are. Wonder why so many people dislike waterfront property owners from out of state!

I don't think you should assume she is a waterfront property owner (or for that matter, elite or from out of state). Actually, she appears not to be a waterfront owner--her boat is at a marina

Poor Richard · 10-05-2018, 10:47 AM

No harm, no foul. Let the guy fish.

Redbarn · 10-05-2018, 11:05 AM

Is Johnathan landing a dug out marina?

gillygirl · 10-05-2018, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Redbarn

Is Johnathan landing a dug out marina?

Sure looks like it to me, which would make it private. I guess the JL HOA will have to put up signs to prevent this from happening again. Which, by the way, they have the right to do, according to the man in the video.

ConcernedAngler · 10-06-2018, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gillygirl

Sure looks like it to me, which would make it private. I guess the JL HOA will have to put up signs to prevent this from happening again. Which, by the way, they have the right to do, according to the man in the video.

There are no such marinas on Winni. I don’t believe 50% of the stories regarding lures snagged, torn covers, etc... I have found 1 jig on our dock in 9 yrs!!! Know the laws if you own on the water.

gillygirl · 10-07-2018, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ConcernedAngler

There are no such marinas on Winni. I don’t believe 50% of the stories regarding lures snagged, torn covers, etc... I have found 1 jig on our dock in 9 yrs!!! Know the laws if you own on the water.

Of course there are dug marinas in Winnipesaukee. I watched one as it grew over the years.

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ThePlut · 10-05-2018, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot

I don't think you should assume she is a waterfront property owner (or for that matter, elite or from out of state). Actually, she appears not to be a waterfront owner--her boat is at a marina

The video was taken at the Marina in Jonathan's Landing, which is a community and all the slips (and boats) in there are for people who own condos in there.

The Real BigGuy · 10-06-2018, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by swnoel

He was lucky she didn't file a charge of sexual assault or rape! Seems to be the way some solve disagreements! This is just another example of wealthy lake front owners being bully's and disregarding the publics right to the body of water they believe they own. She could have gone down , asked how they were doing, and ask that they be careful fishing around the boats, but that's not how the elites are. Wonder why so many people dislike waterfront property owners from out of state!

Have a chip on your shoulder much?

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Dave R · 10-06-2018, 08:24 PM

I thought that was a nice fish at the end. I can totally understand why he wanted to fish there after seeing that.

Bigstan · 10-06-2018, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave R

I thought that was a nice fish at the end. I can totally understand why he wanted to fish there after seeing that.

True, but fish like that cost more than the bait it takes to catch them in the long run ��

Or were you talking about the actual fish? That was nice too, and cleanly caught & released.

10-04-2018, 04:24 PM	#1
jr616 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 88 Thanks: 19 Thanked 19 Times in 12 Posts	Fisherman have rights too! We've always found the Bass guys in our cove to be extremely respectful of the lake, our dock and our boat. Most of they bass boats cost a great deal of money and I am certain this captain has no intention of hitting anything - he's out to fish. Plus those boats are so incredibly maneuverable it's ridiculous! This woman, while concerned could have handled it much differently and most certainly needs to learn the law of the lake. Legend10 handled it quite well IMHO

10-04-2018, 04:50 PM	#2
DesertDweller Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV and Moultonborough, NH Posts: 405 Thanks: 27 Thanked 96 Times in 80 Posts	I agree the guy fishing handled that pretty well and agree with what he was saying. With that said, the Jonathan's Landing marina is really narrow and the last thing they need is people bringing boats in there other than for the purpose of docking. Last I checked, it's a pretty big lake with lots of places with bass where he could fish in peace. Last edited by DesertDweller; 10-04-2018 at 05:32 PM.

10-04-2018, 06:00 PM	#4
Not to Worry Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 191 Thanks: 92 Thanked 84 Times in 55 Posts	Fishing Docks I have no issue with someone fishing docks. I do think it is rude when they camp there versus just drifting by the dock and casting. I am an avid fisherman and I respect the privacy of homeowners. There is no reason why anyone needed to fish inside of JL marina. Yes, I understand that the guy argued he was "entitled' to fish there but to me that just made him a pompous ass. He did to need to be there and I am wondering if he went looking for a confrontation. I thought it odd that they never pointed the camera at the women...maybe they were concerned about consent and the abilty to legally record? Just because someone can legally do something does not make it right.

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AC2717 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maynard, MA & Paugus Bay Posts: 2,616 Thanks: 756 Thanked 369 Times in 277 Posts	does this go for when I am walking around your car in a parking lot and hanging near it while I am on the phone? to me is it is the same idea, someone telling you to get away from their car on a public street __________________ Capt. of the "No Worries"

10-05-2018, 02:19 PM	#20
kawishiwi Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 518 Thanks: 225 Thanked 167 Times in 108 Posts	Less here than... ...most are seeing. The woman was just looking after her boat. The fisherman seemed to be respecting her boat. While she mentioned that it was a 'private' marina she seemed ok with him fishing in there as long as he didnt bump her boat. It was pretty bold to motor into a tight area like that. I know where that is and it "looks" private to me though its likely not. For the non-fisherman a little info. That marina, with shallow protected water and all the 'cover' provided by the docks & boats makes that a tremendously attractive place to fish for Largemouth bass. Probably the single most attractive spot...for over a mile, or two, in any direction. __________________ "I don't take responsibility at all."

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10-04-2018, 05:42 PM	#3
rick35 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bear Island/Merrimack Posts: 807 Thanks: 58 Thanked 203 Times in 130 Posts	Just because the fisherman has the right to fish there doesn’t mean he has to. He could easily have moved on and avoided the whole situation. Doesn’t matter that the woman was wrong. Take the high ground and move on. People are so much more adversarial. Social media (i.e. texting etc) is not helping our social skills.

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10-04-2018, 09:30 PM	#6
rick35 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bear Island/Merrimack Posts: 807 Thanks: 58 Thanked 203 Times in 130 Posts	Where's the sport in fishing a dock like that? It doesn't look very different than when I was 12 and a buddy and I had a kibbie catching contest on our dock. Just needed a couple of kiddie rods, some wonder bread and a couple of buckets to hold the fish.

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10-05-2018, 07:58 AM	#9
ThePlut Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 150 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 11 Posts	Of course he's in the right, he can fish wherever he wants. But there is a pervasive issue these days with a lack of respect for other people and other people's property. I wonder, if he HAD bumped another boat, or snagged a line on a cover, or a prop, would this video still be posted? Would he have left a note and taken responsibility? Or would he have hoped no one saw and skedaddled? I like to think it's the former, because I think people are basically good or want to be. But if my boat were in there, I'd be afraid of the latter too... Yup, the bad actors ruin it for everyone.

10-05-2018, 10:37 AM	#12
rick35 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bear Island/Merrimack Posts: 807 Thanks: 58 Thanked 203 Times in 130 Posts	I don’t think anyone will argue about a fisherman’s right to use the lake. I just don’t like it when he feels he needs to jam it down my throat.

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10-05-2018, 11:30 AM	#15
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,597 Thanks: 1,418 Thanked 1,705 Times in 1,109 Posts	I'd guess 99% of dock owners don't mind people fishing nearby. I expect that experience would lead fishermen to not anticipate confrontation. Fishing is very peaceful. Why break the mood with a lot of shouting? In the meantime, I'd rather have people fishing 20 feet away than dropping anchor 200 feet away and cranking the tunes. Actually, for whatever reasons those who fish and anchor in our area are all pretty quiet.

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10-05-2018, 01:33 PM	#17
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,946 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts	AC2717, hit the thanks button by mistake. I don't agree with you. It would be more like a car in your driveway. I don't see why this guy couldn't just do as this lady asked and go on his way since she was worried he might hit her boat. I think he was just being stubborn. The fishermen don't bother me at all, they usually throw out their lines and keep going. I do wish they wouldn't leave anything behind though. We just untangled a long fishing line hooked to a tree.

10-05-2018, 02:01 PM	#19
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 244 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	To me this is more about common courtesy than it is whether legal or not. In a situation like that if somebody asked me to move on I would. That said many who own waterfront or are part of an association need to realize that they do not own the lake and cannot just cordon off whatever they deem appropriate to them for their own "personal and private" use. I do think under the circumstances the fisherman was courteous in discussing this with the woman that was complaining. I've witnessed plenty of situations like that where one side or both get completely metal. I would only say just because something may be legal to the letter of the law doesn't always mean it's appreciated and a little give and take goes a long way even if it means eating a little humble pie.

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10-05-2018, 03:33 PM	#22
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,946 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts	The water is public the docks are not. I guess it would be like sitting at the end of your driveway and blocking you from getting out for a few minutes just became one can. But I can see this discussion is going nowhere as usual. Some of us will think he should have just moved on-common courtesy, and others will think, by God he has a right to be there and should stand his ground!!!!

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10-05-2018, 04:19 PM	#23
TiltonBB Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilford, NH and Florida Posts: 3,161 Thanks: 750 Thanked 2,277 Times in 986 Posts	Question So, for the sake of discussion: I see fisherman in boats in front of my house all the time and I am on a very open part of the lake. Sometimes they are so close it surprises me to look out the front windows and see that a boat is so close. This has happened to me so here is the question: When they cast, and their line and lure gets caught on your dock or boat lines do you: A. Let them come onto your property to retrieve it B. Cut the line and tell them to move on. (option, thank them for your new lure) C. Try to release their lure without damaging your property D. You tell me!

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10-05-2018, 05:55 AM	#27
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,946 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts	Exactly, he wanted the confrontation. It's a big lake, he could have moved on.

10-05-2018, 08:43 AM	#29
swnoel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 529 Thanks: 83 Thanked 194 Times in 118 Posts	He was lucky she didn't file a charge of sexual assault or rape! Seems to be the way some solve disagreements! This is just another example of wealthy lake front owners being bully's and disregarding the publics right to the body of water they believe they own. She could have gone down , asked how they were doing, and ask that they be careful fishing around the boats, but that's not how the elites are. Wonder why so many people dislike waterfront property owners from out of state!

10-05-2018, 08:59 AM	#31
joey2665 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Meredith Bay & LI, NY Posts: 3,217 Thanks: 1,212 Thanked 1,009 Times in 649 Posts	Waterfront property owners need to know and understand the laws of the lake the live on. If she did, she could have easily said them them "I know the law and understand you are allowed to be here but could you please be careful around my boat", but as someone that did not know the law she pretty quickly threatened to call the police which will only escalate the issue.

10-05-2018, 09:11 AM	#32
Biggd Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Waltham Ma./Meredith NH Posts: 4,422 Thanks: 2,428 Thanked 1,270 Times in 813 Posts	It takes two willing participants for a confrontation like this. This is not much different than how road rage starts. I know he had every right to fish there but he could easily have moved to another location to defuse the confrontation. A good friend of mine has a place on Stinson Lake and a few years ago they had an incident at their docks and the guy went to his boat, pulled out a gun and shot the other guy dead. Is it really worth it for a couple extra fish that he throws back anyway?

10-05-2018, 09:59 AM	#35
Rusty Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,028 Thanks: 603 Thanked 687 Times in 425 Posts	The lake has a surface area of 71 sq miles and this guy has to antagonize a slip owner who only wants to make sure her boat doesn't get damaged. The big fish that he wants to catch just have to be in that little open slip..so he thinks anyway. At the end of the video the other guy on the boat said that they should start her boat motor and see how she reacts..real funny..to them anyway. __________________ It's never crowded along the extra mile.

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10-05-2018, 10:13 AM	#36
Biggd Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Waltham Ma./Meredith NH Posts: 4,422 Thanks: 2,428 Thanked 1,270 Times in 813 Posts	About a month ago I was behind 2 casr and we coming up on a part of road where it merged into one lane. Well neither guy in front of me wanted to let the other go ahead. They eventually sideswiped each other. I'm sure the battle continued after they pulled over but I just passed on by. Who was right and who was wrong? Was it really worth it to get one car ahead? The whole incident could have been avoided if one of them didn't continue the confrontation. I just don't get it?

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