Fun Boating Quiz.

[GWC...]

Originally Posted by Orion

Q. What is the reference point for Five and Six mile Islands and what is the origin of the name of that reference point?

Probably wrong, but always thought that was their distance from Center Harbor.

[Airwaves]

New Question: As we all know a sailboat has the "right of way" (I hate that term) over a power boat. But when two sailboats are aproaching each other with a risk of collision who is the "stand on" vessel?

How about a follow up question, can you name one instance in which a powerboat has the right of way over a sailboat?

[GWC...]

Originally Posted by Airwaves

How about a follow up question, can you name one instance in which a powerboat has the right of way over a sailboat?

When it (blow-boat) is under power (steaming) and the other boat (gf-bl) is crossing it's starboard bow.

[Airwaves]

That's one!

[Misty Blue]

The power boat is the stand on vessel if it is being overtaken by a sailboat. For example, if you are at headway speed and being oventaken by a Hobie Cat, you are the stand on vessel. Note, this is in the NavRules but may not apply in NH. We like to make up our own rules because we are special or something.

Real good queston Waves!

New question for all of you coffee table navigators out there: We are talking distance here...

What is the difference between any given degree of LATITUDE and any given degree of LONGITUDE?

Extra credit: What is a RHUMB LINE? If you sail one northward where will you end up. Hint: Loxodrome. It's OK to use your CHAPMAN'S!

Misty Blue

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

...The power boat is the stand on vessel if it is being overtaken by a sailboat.... Note, this is in the NavRules but may not apply in NH. We like to make up our own rules because we are special or something...

We do have an RSA that touches upon this subject, and of course it does open this topic up for debate (we wouldn't be NH if it didn't, aptly pointed out by Misty)....the operative legalese in the red highlighted passage (section IX) being the word shall , which leaves little wiggle room for interpretation!

TITLE XXII
NAVIGATION; HARBORS; COAST SURVEY
CHAPTER 270-D
BOATING AND WATER SAFETY ON NEW HAMPSHIRE PUBLIC WATERS
Section 270-D:2
270-D:2 General Rules for Vessels Operating on Water. –
I. Vessels shall be operated at headway speed only, while passing under all bridges.
II. (a) It shall be the duty of each vessel to keep to the right when vessels are approaching each other head on.
(b) When the courses of vessels are so far to the starboard of each other as not to be considered as approaching head on, they shall keep to the left.
III. When vessels are crossing courses or approaching each other in an oblique direction which may involve risk of collision, the vessel which has the other on its starboard side shall keep out of the way of the other, allowing the latter vessel to keep its course and speed.
IV. When vessels are running in the same direction and the vessel which is astern desires to pass the other, it shall do so only when sufficient distance between the vessels is available to avoid danger of collision, and at such a speed that its wake will not endanger the boat being passed or its occupants. No person operating a vessel shall abruptly change its course without first determining that it can safely be done without crossing immediately ahead of another vessel.
V. If, when vessels are approaching each other, either vessel fails to understand the course or intention of the other from any cause, such vessel or vessels shall immediately slow to a speed barely sufficient for steerage until the vessels have safely passed each other. If it appears the danger of collision is imminent both vessels shall stop or reverse and not proceed until such danger has been averted.
VI. (a) To provide full visibility and control and to prevent their wake from being thrown into or causing excessive rocking to other boats, barges, water skiers, aquaplanes or other boats, rafts or floats, all vessels shall maintain headway speed when within 150 feet from:
(1) Rafts, floats, swimmers.
(2) Permitted swimming areas.
(3) Shore.
(4) Docks.
(5) Mooring fields.
(6) Other vessels.
(b) These requirements shall not apply when:
(1) Starting skiers from shore, docks or floats, as long as neither the boat nor the skier is endangering the life or safety of any person.
(2) A vessel is in the federal deepwater shipping channel of the Piscataqua River between navigation buoys R2, Wood Island at the mouth of the river and R12, opposite the Sprague Terminal.
(c) The operator of a towing boat shall be responsible for compliance with this paragraph.
(d) The requirements of RSA 270-D:2, VI(a)(3) shall not apply to a vessel in the waters of the Androscoggin River from the Errol Dam to Umbagog Lake or in the waters of the Magalloway River within the state of New Hampshire.
VI-a. [Repealed.]
VII. When a vessel is given the right-of-way, such vessel shall hold its course and maintain such speed as the circumstances prudently permit.
VIII. When a vessel is required to keep out of the way of another, it shall, if necessary, slacken its speed, stop, or reverse, and avoid crossing ahead of any other vessel.
IX. Canoes, rowboats and sailboats shall be given the right-of-way. This requirement shall not be construed to allow deliberate impediment of motorboats by canoes, rowboats or sailboats.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

{snip} New question for all of you coffee table navigators out there: We are talking distance here...

What is the difference between any given degree of LATITUDE and any given degree of LONGITUDE?

Extra credit: What is a RHUMB LINE? If you sail one northward where will you end up. Hint: Loxodrome. It's OK to use your CHAPMAN'S!

Misty Blue

I was trying to figure out which of several answers would be the one you're looking for and then reread the "talking distance here" so I'll answer that traversing a degree of latitude (keeping longitude the same) is the (roughly) same distance anywhere on the Earth given that it's (roughly) a sphere. Traversing a degree of longitude (keeping latitude the same) results in a different distance depending on whether you're close to the equator (long distance) or closer to a pole (short distance). I had to look up rhumb line so I won't give that one away since I didn't know the answer. Hint : constant bearing ...

ps - I'll say you'd end up ashore

[Island-Ho]

If you follow a rhumb line north from any point on earth you will end up at the geographic north pole, but watch out for land masses and ice bergs! Don't try this with a magnetic compass, you'll end up somewhere in the Canadian Arctic. As a side note, a magnetic compass doesn't really work anywhere near (hundreds of miles) the magnetic north pole, as the magnetic field lines it is trying to align with are nearly vertical, and the pointer or card tries to point straight down. While flying over northern Greenland in a helicopter, I noticed that all the mag compass could do was spin in circles!

[Orion]

Originally Posted by GWC...

Probably wrong, but always thought that was their distance from Center Harbor.

You would be correct. The second part of the question regarding the name has a twofold source:

"Center Harbor gets its name from two sources: from its location, centered between Meredith and Moultonborough Harbors, and also for the Senter family, who were owners of a large amount of property in the area."

[Misty Blue]

Hey...We are having some fun here! Try these:

What type of line would you use to tie up your boat to a dock...and why?

What type of line would you use to anchor your boat...and why?

What type of line would you use for standing and running rigging on your sailboat...and why?

What type of line would you use for water skiing and life rings...and why?

What type of line would you use to pick up a "dollie" at the Bad Moose....And Why???

Misty Blue

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

Hey...We are having some fun here! Try these:

...What type of line would you use to tie up your boat to a dock...and why?...

Nylon.....superior strength and elasticity???

I'd take a stab at the last question, but my wife is in the next room....never know when she's going to pop in and check on me!


Skip

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

Hey...We are having some fun here! Try these:

What type of line would you use to tie up your boat to a dock...and why?

Double braided nylon - strong and easy on the hands, holds a knot.

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

What type of line would you use to anchor your boat...and why?

Triple strand nylon - it stretches so as to reduce shock loads.

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

What type of line would you use for standing and running rigging on your sailboat...and why?

Hmmm, not sure.

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

What type of line would you use for water skiing and life rings...and why?

Polypropylene - it floats and so can be seen, less likely to get into the prop.

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

What type of line would you use to pick up a "dollie" at the Bad Moose....And Why???

"Here's $50. Drink until I am really good looking, then come to talk to me." - because if I'm going to get laughed at, it might as well be because I said something funny.

{runner-up - "Hey that's a nice shirt ! Can I talk you out of it ?"}

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

..."Here's $50. Drink until I am really good looking, then come to talk to me." - because if I'm going to get laughed at, it might as well be because I said something funny.

{runner-up - "Hey that's a nice shirt ! Can I talk you out of it ?"}

Yep, we know who hasn't "tied the knot" yet....

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Skip

Yep, we know who hasn't "tied the knot" yet....

Yup, good thing "Mee" has a well developed sense of humor, in addition to being intelligent and beautiful and ... oh crap .... Hey UTS, can I borrow that spare blanket ?

ps - "Mee" would smirk and say "$50, you better go back to the ATM !"

Most days I feel like Rodney Dangerfield ...

[Misty Blue]

Lattitude:

Think of a ladder (lattidude, get it?). What do we know about the rungs of a ladder? They are parralel and eqidistantant. There are 180 degrees of lattidude north of the equator and 180 degrees south (below) the equator. Each is devided into 60 minutes of lattidude. Each minute, by deffinition, is one nautical mile. Thats why metrics don't work on a chart. They are always the same.

Longitude is way different. The lines of longitude arn't like the rungs of a ladder they are like the segments of an orange. Picture this... the distace from one segment of an orange at it's middle is about 1/2 inch. Travel up or down the orange and measure the distance and it becomes less and less until it is zero at the top and bottom of the orange. ie. the north and south poles! Now for the rhumb line....

If you were to plot a course and sail let's say at a 45 degree angle north on a flat chart, usually a mercator projection, you would move up and across at a 45 degree unchanging angle. But the earth is round, just ask Columbus.

If you try this on a sphere you will start to spiral up the globe and finially screw yourself up to the north pole and see the magic kingdome. This is the Rhumb line or loxodrome! Use that to impress your friends at the Yacht Club!

Misty Blue.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

{snip} If you try this on a sphere you will start to spiral up the globe and finially screw yourself up to the north pole and see the magic kingdome. This is the Rhumb line or loxodrome! Use that to impress your friends at the Yacht Club!

Misty Blue.

More than you want to know and a cool animation ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhumb_line

ps - lattidude ? Isn't that mcdude's coffee drinking brother from Seattle ?

[GWC...]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

But the earth is round, just ask Columbus.

A blonde girl (Viking) tried to tell him it is round; but what do blondes know?

[Misty Blue]

Wow MnM:

You blew me away with that post! I thought that I used to know what I was talking about and the Rhumb line has always been a good way to win free drinks at the Hyannis Yacht club! (A place that I have been thrown out of, but that is a whole different story!)

You guys are too much!

Misty Blue

[Mee-n-Mac]

Since we've touched on island names already perhaps we can continue on that line for a bit. If this takes off perhaps it can be split and put into General Discussion. So we've previously (on the forum) taked about how Rattlesnake I and Becky's Garden and Cow I got their names. Just above we've talked about how 6 Mile island got it's name but how did Far Ozone get it's name ? (I don't know). Little 6 Mile Island makes sense but Far Ozone ? So who knows the story ?

[Airwaves]

I've got no clue, maybe a lightening strike? I know at my condo a friend was in the bathroom when lightening hit at the airport and he peed on the wall, we blamed the smell the rest of the night on ozone!

[Misty Blue]

MnM:

Great idea! I don't know about Far Ozone either but I may be able to contact the owner of Little Six Mile. They may have an idea.

Question: After you have refuled your inboard or I/O boat what is the last thing you do prior to starting up?

BTW Island Ho...you must have done some cool stuff!

Misty Blue

[Phantom]

After fueling you should ALways Always Always run your blower to exhaust possible fumes below deck (engine compartment) if the boat being fueled is an Inboard or I/O !!

Question: how many islands are accessible by bridge and what are their names?

[SIKSUKR]

Governors,Blackcat,and Long are 3.

[Sunset Bob]

There are 6 Governors,Black Cat, Long, Oak, Worcester,plus 1 more I can't remember.

[jrc]

Originally Posted by Sunset Bob

There are 6 Governors,Black Cat, Long, Oak, Worcester,plus 1 more I can't remember.

Maybe Christmas Island in Paugus Bay?

If you count foot bridges there may be a few more. Depending on what accessible means you could include Steamboat and Birch.

[Sunset Bob]

Thats it. How could I forget Chrismas?

[Bizer]

Originally Posted by jrc

If you count foot bridges there may be a few more. Depending on what accessible means you could include Steamboat and Birch.

Depending on what "accessible" and "island" mean to you, I count ten islands accessible by bridge. Eight have been mentioned: Long, Governors, BlackCat, Worcester, Christmas, Oak, Steamboat, and Birch.

[jrc]

Well there's one here between Half Mile and Hog? Islands. There looks like a old bridge between Hog and the mainland.

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v...&scene=1661355

There's another two here in Blackey Cove, connnecting Havard? and another island to the mainland.

http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v...&scene=1661355

BTW thanks Bizer for making a great chart.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Phantom

After fueling you should ALways Always Always run your blower to exhaust possible fumes below deck (engine compartment) if the boat being fueled is an Inboard or I/O !!
(snip)

Here's a related and somewhat controvertial one. When refueling should you leave the blowers on or off ? The consensus has flip-flopped on this over the years.

ps - Pepper ! get your mind out of the gutter !

[jrc]

Originally Posted by Mee-n-Mac

Here's a related and somewhat controvertial one. When refueling should you leave the blowers on or off ? The consensus has flip-flopped on this over the years.

ps - Pepper ! get your mind out of the gutter !

Today's thinking is that the blower should be off during fueling, so that the vapors are not drawn into the engine compartment. After fueling is complete, you should use your nose first, then the blowers are turned on.

I think this was on the boating test.

[Airwaves]

Here's a related and somewhat controvertial one. When refueling should you leave the blowers on or off ? The consensus has flip-flopped on this over the years.

The blowers should be off and depending on the type of boat you have, you should close all ports and hatchways etc as well to prevent gasoline fumes, which are heavier than air, from finding their way to the lowest point in your boat which is usually the engine room.

Yes, you should ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS run the blower prior to starting the engine, not only after refueling but in all cases!

[Misty Blue]

JRC you get the banana!

As you all know everything about a boat is expensive. That is except the tool used to insure that your boat is free of explosive gasses. It is right between your eyes. Yup, the old sniff test is not only very accurate but also free!

As for the blower... When we teach the boating class we always teach by the book. That is all electronics, including the blower are to be off. And yes this is on the test.

I, however disagree. The whole idea of venting is to keep the space below the Lower Explosive Limit (LEL). If you run the blower while refueling you are constantly removing any explosive gasses and keeping the space below LEL. If you refuel and there is an explosive atmosphere in the space when you start the blower you will be closing a 12 volt switch (spark?) and starting a 12 volt DC motor (spark?)

I know what the book says but I just don't buy it.

New question: What things make a type I PFD different than a type II PFD?

Misty Blue.

[Airwaves]

If you run the blower while refueling you are constantly removing any explosive gasses and keeping the space below LEL.

I have to disagree here, if you run the blowers during refueling you are also creating a draft that will suck in the heavier than air gasoline fumes, so you are creating a problem not correcting it.

Yes, you nose (assuming you don't have a cold! ) is the best tool to use, if you smell gasoline vapors don't start the engine!

Type I is commonly called the May West. It's used offshore by the navy and requires training to use.

I believe type II is the type of offshore vest used by recreational boaters because it doesn't require training. If I'm not mistaken Type I is not CG approved for recreational boaters for that reason while Type II is.

My experiences have been limited to Types III and IV

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

...New question: What things make a type I PFD different than a type II PFD?...Misty Blue...

The Type I PFD provides the most buoyancy and is especially good in all (rough) waters. Its designed to right most wearers to a face up position. By the way, my Naval training on the Type I consisted of me learning as to where the devices were stored shipboard! ......Anyway, these are the big, bulky offshroe type jackets, similar to what you see sailors wearing in those old WWII movies.

The Type II PFD is less buoyant than the Type I and better utilized in calmer waters. It will turn some unconcious victims face up....These are the lighter (usually orange) type jackets that almost everyone buys at Walmart and tosses out-of-sight in a (hopefully) convenient spot onboard!

Either type is an approved (Coast Guard) device in NH towards your PFD carrying requirement.

Next Question:

On Lake Winnipesaukee (or any NH lake) what is the difference between a red-over-white spar buoy versus a black-over-white spar buoy?

Skip

[jrc]

I know this one is on the test. On the lake I just know which side to pass because I've been by them so many times before. On tests or strange places I remember that it's hot (red) in the south-west.

So pass red top spars on the south when traveling east or west, and on the west when travel north or south. Black tops are of course the opposite.

On Winnipesukee at least, one color of these spars has a stripe. This can make it easier to tell them apart in low-light conditions. Which one is it? My memory aid on this one is related to a beverage.

BTW Finding the safe side of a spar bouy using only a compass is not always as unambiguous as it sounds, I still use a chart in strange areas.

[Phantom]

Originally Posted by jrc

BTW Finding the safe side of a spar bouy using only a compass is not always as unambiguous as it sounds, I still use a chart in strange areas.

And sometimes it defies logic!!

Case in point - you actually split between two black tops when passing FL#30 on a course away from Mark Isl toward safe water between Jolly & Camp (and vise versa) and NOT changing compass heading I might add for those who want to get picky -- I have checked the chart a thousand times to be sure!!

This little quirk has baffled me for years!!

I'm sure there are others similar - this one happens to be on one of our regular routes

[GWC...]

The first contrary buoy that comes to mind is FL #1, Black Spar accompanies.

Might as well start at the beginning...

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by GWC...

The first contrary buoy that comes to mind is FL #1, Black Spar accompanies.

Might as well start at the beginning...

Since I don;t have a chart in front of me and have never bothered to get to know the numbers on the lights, can you tell me where FL#1 is? I know the islands and bays pretty well.

[Sunset Bob]

FL#1 is at Weirs Beach

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Sunset Bob

FL#1 is at Weirs Beach

Where is this obscure "Weirs Beach" place you refer to? Thanks!

That's the marker nearish to the north east shore that you pass to the southwest of, correct? As far as I know, It just marks a shoal that's likely only a problem for really deep draft vessels. Why is it black and white??? Hmmm. Never thought about it, just awlays went around it on the outside because that's what my chart says to do.

[GWC...]

Originally Posted by jrc

I know this one is on the test. On tests or strange places I remember that it's hot (red) in the south-west.

So pass red top spars on the south when traveling east or west, and on the west when travel north or south. Black tops are of course the opposite.

Originally Posted by Dave R

Now that I look at it on the chart, I think the color on the spar is perfect.

This one, FL #1, Black Spar accompanies, still has me scratching my head.

According to JRC's intro, one would pass to the North (that would be okay) "when traveling east or west" and to the East (Oops- found bottom) "when travel north or south."

Still a head-scratcher...

[Sunset Bob]

Originally Posted by jrc

I know this one is on the test. On the lake I just know which side to pass because I've been by them so many times before. On tests or strange places I remember that it's hot (red) in the south-west.

I always remember BEN Black East North

[Orion]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

I, however disagree. The whole idea of venting is to keep the space below the Lower Explosive Limit (LEL). If you run the blower while refueling you are constantly removing any explosive gasses and keeping the space below LEL. If you refuel and there is an explosive atmosphere in the space when you start the blower you will be closing a 12 volt switch (spark?) and starting a 12 volt DC motor (spark?)

Both the blower and the switch are supposed to be located away from areas that collect gas fumes and thus would not be a source of ignition.

Airwaves hit the key point regarding avoiding drawing in fumes during refueling.

[Misty Blue]

OK Airwaves, you have sold me on the blower issue.

Hey Skip, want to hear a good one? The Navy Kapoks are not Coast Guard approved! Go figure!

A Type I PFD has more bouyency than a Type II (I think 17.5# but don't remember) it is reverseable so an untrained person can put it on easily and has SOLAS reflection.

Both Types I and II should bring an unconsious victim upright.

Now let's here one for the NHMP. They do a great job at maintaining the State's ATONS. It is a big job and they keep them up well and repair them quickly when they are damaged.

The bouyage system used on the coast is quite different than the system (some times called the "cardinal system" because it uses the cardinal points of the compass N,E,S,W) that we use on our lakes.

The international system uses ATONs like Nuns and Cans to show the safe passages. It is really developed for large craft either returning from or going out to sea. The NH system is used not to show you where you can be but rather it identifies the hazards and tells you where you shouldn't be.

A lot of my CG buddies don't like our system but I think that it is ideal for our situation.

As for the colors, I like to remember that we live in the North East and a famous tree from our area is the white birch. It is White with Black trim. When you see a spar that is White with Black you must stay either North or East of it.

Misty Blue.

[SIKSUKR]

Ok,here is how I remembered which way to navigate the spar bouys.Black is at the beginning of the alphabet along with north and east.Red is later along with south and west.Crazy,but it worked for me!