Will NH lakes be safer?

[Island Lover]

Originally Posted by overlook

He was only agreeing with the results, do not spin it. The results would be considerably different if the poll was conducted with only boaters or registered boat ownwers.

Boat Safe, Boat Smart- no HB162

There was no spin at all in my comment. Here is the poll question...

"Do you believe that a 45 miles per hour daytime and 25 miles per hour
nighttime speed limit for boats will make New Hampshire lakes safer, or
not?

84% - Yes, believe will make lakes safer
9% - No, do not believe will make lakes safer
7% - Undecided"

And this is winnilakers responce...

"I agree with the poll results based on the question."


I find his answer refreshingly honest.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Island Lover

There was no spin at all in my comment. Here is the poll question...

"Do you believe that a 45 miles per hour daytime and 25 miles per hour
nighttime speed limit for boats will make New Hampshire lakes safer, or
not?

84% - Yes, believe will make lakes safer
9% - No, do not believe will make lakes safer
7% - Undecided"

And this is winnilakers responce...

"I agree with the poll results based on the question."


I find his answer refreshingly honest.

Wrong again, you took one sentence of his response, used it out of context to portray him in a way that is false. More proof of what you have been doing.

I wish I could say you have been "refreshingly honest" but I can't because doing things like this is not honest.

Pay attention sentators.

[Bear Lover]

Originally Posted by ITD

Wrong again, you took one sentence of his response, used it out of context to portray him in a way that is false. More proof of what you have been doing.

I wish I could say you have been "refreshingly honest" but I can't because doing things like this is not honest.

Pay attention sentators.

ITD

I went back up to the post in question and checked. She did not take "one sentence" she took a whole paragraph. More importantly I took winnilakers comment to mean exactly what it said. It was not taken out of context in my opinion.

I think you are getting a little carried away here. I know you want this speed limit to fail, but this is not the way to go about it.

Why don't you pm winnilaker and ask him what he meant? Not that its all that important either way.

[ITD]

Originally Posted by Bear Lover

ITD

I went back up to the post in question and checked. She did not take "one sentence" she took a whole paragraph. More importantly I took winnilakers comment to mean exactly what it said. It was not taken out of context in my opinion.

I think you are getting a little carried away here. I know you want this speed limit to fail, but this is not the way to go about it.

Why don't you pm winnilaker and ask him what he meant? Not that its all that important either way.

Bear Lover,

I don't see a whole paragraph, I see one line of winnilaker's and a repeat of the poll question. I suggest you look at IL's post again, you're mistaken, or was it a mistake?

There is one sentence used out of a post containing nine lines. The line used without the benefit of the other 8 lines can be interpreted differently then when used with Winnilaker's complete post.

What's important is accuracy and honesty, keep things in context.

Finally, I don't need to PM Winnilaker, it's very clear from his post what he meant.

[Bear Lover]

Originally Posted by ITD

Bear Lover,

I don't see a whole paragraph, I see one line of winnilaker's and a repeat of the poll question. I suggest you look at IL's post again, you're mistaken, or was it a mistake?

There is one sentence used out of a post containing nine lines. The line used without the benefit of the other 8 lines can be interpreted differently then when used with Winnilaker's complete post.

What's important is accuracy and honesty, keep things in context.

Finally, I don't need to PM Winnilaker, it's very clear from his post what he meant.

I understand EXACTLY what winnilaker is saying. His meaning is obvious, you are misinterpreting. Winnilaker asks...

Do you believe that preventing Tractor Trailer trucks from driving on our highways would make our roadways safer?

The obvious answer is YES

Do you think not allowing people over the age of 70 to drive would make our roadways safer?

The obvious answer is YES

Do you think that requiring everyone who boats should wear a PFD, would make our boaters safer?

Again this is a YES

I agree with the poll results based on the question.

This is another YES

He is pointing out that there is more to the enactment of a law than just a statistical improvement in safety. Otherwise we would all be driving around in Volvos at 5 mph.

[winnilaker]

Originally Posted by Bear Lover

Why don't you pm winnilaker and ask him what he meant? Not that its all that important either way.

No need to PM me. My point was, that given the question and the people that probably answered, you can see how they got those results. But I don't find the results relevant.

If a random survey called me and asked me:

Would our roadways be safer is we prevented people over 70 from driving. I would answer YES. And I bet a high percentage would as well.

However, what's the reality of passing a bill that terminate the rights of people over 70 from driving. I think many would call that discriminatory, why, because there are many responsible drivers over 70. And there are actually statistics that show the elderly are the #2 demographic that causes accidents behind teenagers.

And the same goes with my Tractor Trailer driver question.

So for the record, I don't suppport HB162, I don't think the poll holds the weight supporters feel it should and I don't think the results of such a law justifies the reasoning for it.

[Weirs guy]

So, nobody wanted to take my poll I see. What, are the supporters afraid of the outcome? Lets try this, as a "below average intelligence" NH voter, maybe someone can explain to me exactly how the speed limit will make me safer should I venture out on the lake in a boat. Am I less likely to be slammed into by another boat? Will the water be less choppy by reducing speeds? I guess I just don’t get it.

[Lakegeezer]

An interesting article came across my desk, and while reading it, I sensed a strong parallel between the culture shift in the US and the fear induced speed limit law project we have been following. Its a bit off-topic, and a bit 'heady', but a good read never the less and puts things in perspective.
Title: Culture of Fear: Dealing with cultural panic attacks by Ronald Bailey

http://www.reason.com/rb/rb021706.shtml

[Dave R]

Originally Posted by Lakegeezer

An interesting article came across my desk, and while reading it, I sensed a strong parallel between the culture shift in the US and the fear induced speed limit law project we have been following. Its a bit off-topic, and a bit 'heady', but a good read never the less and puts things in perspective.
Title: Culture of Fear: Dealing with cultural panic attacks by Ronald Bailey

http://www.reason.com/rb/rb021706.shtml

Good find. Doubt it'll change anyone's mind though.