WMUR Sleds through Ice - 1 death so far

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by TiltonBB

That is kind of harsh. It sounds like you have never made a mistake.

Well let's just say I tend to be a little more cautious when my life hangs in the balance. Maybe I have a better sense of my own mortality or maybe I choose to not be oblivious to things that pose an inherent risk to my well being. While I certainly recognize that accidents do happen - in my mind there is no excuse here. Ignorance played a big part in these events.. and it shouldn't have, not when there is so much information out there for starters that clearly indicated that ice conditions are variable on the lake and the consensus was it's unsafe. If that isn't enough - common sense would suggest that due prudence in being careful when venturing out is paramount. If anyone goes out on the ice unsure of it's integrity well I'd say that's playing odds that are not stacked in one's favor and ripe for disaster. Silly me for calling it what it is and saying yes darn right I'm not about to gamble with my life when that choice is under my control.

I will point out I was out on the ice this past weekend as well, but I had good information on what the conditions were like and chose not to take a chance bringing the sleds out because it was to risky IMHO.

[tbonies]

I think I understand the real issue here. Anytime you see someone use the words I/my/me 16 times in 2 paragraphs...

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Well let's just say I tend to be a little more cautious when my life hangs in the balance. Maybe I have a better sense of my own mortality or maybe I choose to not be oblivious to things that pose an inherent risk to my well being. While I certainly recognize that accidents do happen - in my mind there is no excuse here. Ignorance played a big part in these events.. and it shouldn't have, not when there is so much information out there for starters that clearly indicated that ice conditions are variable on the lake and the consensus was it's unsafe. If that isn't enough - common sense would suggest that due prudence in being careful when venturing out is paramount. If anyone goes out on the ice unsure of it's integrity well I'd say that's playing odds that are not stacked in one's favor and ripe for disaster. Silly me for calling it what it is and saying yes darn right I'm not about to gamble with my life when that choice is under my control.

I will point out I was out on the ice this past weekend as well, but I had good information on what the conditions were like and chose not to take a chance bringing the sleds out because it was to risky IMHO.

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

Well let's just say I tend to be a little more cautious when my life hangs in the balance. Maybe I have a better sense of my own mortality or maybe I choose to not be oblivious to things that pose an inherent risk to my well being. While I certainly recognize that accidents do happen - in my mind there is no excuse here. Ignorance played a big part in these events.. and it shouldn't have, not when there is so much information out there for starters that clearly indicated that ice conditions are variable on the lake and the consensus was it's unsafe. If that isn't enough - common sense would suggest that due prudence in being careful when venturing out is paramount. If anyone goes out on the ice unsure of it's integrity well I'd say that's playing odds that are not stacked in one's favor and ripe for disaster. Silly me for calling it what it is and saying yes darn right I'm not about to gamble with my life when that choice is under my control.

I will point out I was out on the ice this past weekend as well, but I had good information on what the conditions were like and chose not to take a chance bringing the sleds out because it was to risky IMHO.

One of the fatalities was a fifteen year old kid for God sakes. Do you remember the mistakes you made as a kid or were you born a bitter old man? I'm not certain how you came to be so unforgiving but it is incredibly sad.

[bruinsfan]

Originally Posted by secondcurve

One of the fatalities was a fifteen year old kid for God sakes. Do you remember the mistakes you made as a kid or were you born a bitter old man? I'm not certain how you came to be so unforgiving but it is incredibly sad.

I understand your point; however he was out with his father.

Extremely tragic to say the least. I do not believe ANYONE is speaking bad of the child, just emphasizing the fact that it can be dangerous and this is what happens when not prepared/informed of the dangers.

[NH4me]

I would imagine that any report of this sort of tragedy already serves as a reminder to everyone planning to venture out on the ice. That family will have to live with the circumstances of the accident every day of their lives, and I think Maxum could have made his point with less recrimination and more compassion.

[SAB1]

Boy this debate goes on and on. No doubt the father should have known better. As mentioned above the fifteen year old you have cut some slack. Good grief it's a miracle I lived through those years. All an all, sometimes I think a lot of it is just the way society is now. When I was a kid you learned right from wrong. Now a days not so much. No body accepts responsibility or accountability for their actions. A lot of kids practically raise themselves as both parents aren't always around. I'm always over cautious on the ice. Scares me to death being on it and you'll never see me drive my truck on it but you also wouldn't catch me riding my motorcycle withou a helmet on either.......

[Phantom]

I think we have pretty well brought this thread to a new low and should close it out right about NOW !!

STOP the debate, take the lesson's learnt and move on ................



My sincere condolences to the families involved.



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[tis]

Tim Moore did an excellent video on ice safety on a snow machine. I think everybody who plans to go on a lake should watch it and probably carry the equipment he suggests.

[webmaster]

Originally Posted by tis

Tim Moore did an excellent video on ice safety on a snow machine. I think everybody who plans to go on a lake should watch it and probably carry the equipment he suggests.

This one?:

[tis]

https://www.facebook.com/SeacoastGuide

It is very similar to that video. He is sitting on a snow machine like in this picture. It is on Facebook and I can't copy and paste it. It was done right after this past tragic weekend. Maybe you can find it. In any event, it is about the same.

Thanks for posting.

[DBreskin]

Originally Posted by tis

https://www.facebook.com/SeacoastGuide

It is very similar to that video. He is sitting on a snow machine like in this picture. It is on Facebook and I can't copy and paste it. It was done right after this past tragic weekend. Maybe you can find it. In any event, it is about the same.

Thanks for posting.

Here's the video you're asking for:
https://www.facebook.com/TimMooreOut...3152964717060/

[tis]

Yes!! How did you do that??

[DBreskin]

Originally Posted by tis

Yes!! How did you do that??

On your PC, go to the video you want and right click.
Select "Show video URL".
Copy the displayed link.
Paste the link where desired.

[tis]

And you were able to copy it from Facebook? I have trouble copying things from Facebook. I couldn't find it on his site. Did you?

[fatlazyless]

Instead of wearing a bulky personal flotation device under a snowmobile coat, one could wear a swimmer's belt? These are similar to the old water skier belts from the 1960's. Basically a bright yellow or white foam belt, about 5" high x 1 1/2" thick x 36" long, fastened with one strap with adjustable belt clip; designed for balancing your buoyancy and swimming and easy to adjust for best fit and swim movement. Cost; about 25-dollars locally at www.parafunalia.com in Gilford.

For $25-belt and $10-hand spikes, you get some extra safety? And, the bright orange ice rescue spikes can be loosely tied to the buckle area of the swimmer's belt. A bright yellow belt with bright orange rescue spikes would certainly be colorful ... yellow and orange....and worn hidden away, underneath the winter coat.

For a 2017-made, retro-1920's style swimmers belt .... at a very reasonable price-$16.95 .... maybe try googling "Tyr aquatic flotation belt." The Tyr aquatic flotation belt is basically a design from a hundred years ago, similar to a sturdy cotton strap with attached oval shaped, natural cork floats....and remade with 2017-modern materials. Suggest you check out all the reviews on it, at the SwimOutlet.com .... is the colors black & blue.

Sometimes, you can find an old 1960's water-skier belt at a yard sale for like 50-cents .... such a deal!

Anyone want to volunteer crashing their snowmobile through the thin ice while going 20-mph to test the swimmer's belt for practical use ...... like duh!....what hit me?.....and, am I still alive?.....or, just in the panic and mentally painful process of drowning?.......gasp-gasp-gasp???

http://www.unionleader.com/Mass.-and...mobile-crashes

[Bigstan]

Originally Posted by fatlazyless

Anyone want to volunteer crashing a snowmobile through the thin ice while going 20-mph to test it out for practical use?

Not funny at all. I volunteer you.

[bkelly13]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/weathe...KFV?li=BBnb7Kz

[TiltonBB]

It is happening all over the Northeast. 10 Down. Be careful.

http://www.necn.com/news/national-in...413938883.html