Summer Help

[songkrai]

This is a spoof, right?

No one believes these old myths anymore.

Originally Posted by 8gv

2.9% unemployment?
Yes, and no. I do not know what the workforce participation rate is in NH. The U.S. number has gotten much lower since the recession began. If the government added those who have stopped looking to the ranks of the unemployed the unemployment number might be significantly different.

Competition for help?
The current level of government assistance compares favorably to the wages one might make this summer. Leaving the dole to take a job might be a pay/benefit cut. Getting back on the dole might not be easy. Some may choose not to risk it.

[rsmlp]

Rather than denigrate our youth with a broad brushstroke as being lazy perhaps some basic introspection is in order. NH unemployment is about 3.5% and undoubtedly Moultonboro is even lower AND during summer the need is much higher. It's easy to blame "lazy" youth when in fact I suspect the problem is more likely "lazy" analysis. There may very likely just not be enough youth to fill all the jobs. A problem for sure but a better one than not being enough jobs to employ our youth.

[jeffk]

Originally Posted by songkrai

This is a spoof, right?

No one believes these old myths anymore.

Well, the government reports the labor force participation numbers and they are significantly down so I wouldn't classify them as a myth. Although with the state of government these days, who knows for sure.

As to people not bothering to find work if they have government payments coming in that compensate them as much as a low level paycheck would, it has been proven. Under Clinton, when welfare was cut, economic disaster was predicted when people lost welfare payments. Instead, most people went out and got jobs and did fine. They hadn't bothered to do so before because they didn't have to because their welfare paid them as much as a job would. Also, once in the workforce for a while they found themselves with chances for advancement, getting raises, and ended up better off. No myth there either.

I'm not claiming that this applies to every situation and every person but overall there is a significant negative effect of paying people not to work.

The side benefit was the economy grew because more people were participating and government support costs dropped.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by jeffk

Under Clinton, when welfare was cut, economic disaster was predicted when people lost welfare payments. Instead, most people went out and got jobs and did fine.

The side benefit was the economy grew because more people were participating and government support costs dropped.

My major question with this is how much did the technological boom contribute to that decade's success? From '95-'02, it seemed like everybody had money--I was selling $10k+ plasma TVs and $500+ DVD players like they were going out of style. As a home theatre salesman, I was buying Audis and Rolexes.

When the bottom dropped out, in '02 or so?, my income plummeted as did almost every one of my techie/engineer friends'. Many of them were out of work for years or took way lower paying jobs, which directly impacted all job sectors.

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[noreast]

Someone mentioned sports, Now kid's play most year round, It's not like it use to be, many don't have time to work. There's a lot on there plate, maybe some don't remember the stress (real or self appointed) they're under.

[Outdoorsman]

I stopped in to a supermarket today (chain store) that is located at the northern most part of the planet (Littleton, NH ) and noticed 3 young men (17-20 ish) working in the aisles. I over heard an employee say they were from Bosinia and started working there "today". These employee's were less than happy to about these "outsiders" being there which irked me!

On my way out of the store, in the lobby, was a sign advertising employment opportunities. What caught my eye was that they listed 6-8 different departments looking for help and at least 2 of them stated 14-16 YO could work in those dept's. I guess the lack of help is not just local.

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by jeffk

Well, the government reports the labor force participation numbers and they are significantly down so I wouldn't classify them as a myth. Although with the state of government these days, who knows for sure.

As to people not bothering to find work if they have government payments coming in that compensate them as much as a low level paycheck would, it has been proven. Under Clinton, when welfare was cut, economic disaster was predicted when people lost welfare payments. Instead, most people went out and got jobs and did fine. They hadn't bothered to do so before because they didn't have to because their welfare paid them as much as a job would. Also, once in the workforce for a while they found themselves with chances for advancement, getting raises, and ended up better off. No myth there either.

I'm not claiming that this applies to every situation and every person but overall there is a significant negative effect of paying people not to work.

The side benefit was the economy grew because more people were participating and government support costs dropped.

It's not only welfare but disability claims are way up. I know many people that get disability checks that are not really disabled. They work under the table and their whole life revolves around not losing that free money. If you took this money away 90% of them would get real jobs and pay taxes instead of being a burden on the system. This is a sore subject with me. I work in a neighborhood in Mass where there are quite a few people on welfare and disability. Most of them can work but they choose not to.

[RUGMAN]

me too, I hear ya. I get up every morning and go off to work sore, knowing that some of the taxes I pay go there. Granted there are many people that can't work, its the ones I see cheating the system that I pay for.

[Descant]

I recall that if you are out of work collecting $$ from Worker's Comp Insurance, the insurance company sent somebody around to do an "activity check". If you were splitting wood, or up on a ladder painting your house....

If you're getting government funds and they send somebody around, the ACLU screams "invasion of privacy".

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Descant

I recall that if you are out of work collecting $$ from Worker's Comp Insurance, the insurance company sent somebody around to do an "activity check". If you were splitting wood, or up on a ladder painting your house....

If you're getting government funds and they send somebody around, the ACLU screams "invasion of privacy".

I see this fat 300lb women ride by my shop everyday on her disability scooter with her skinny *** husband walking next to her. They go to the local convenience store everyday to get their lottery tickets. Next thing I know their both riding scooters to the store. Now she's 400lb's and the first scooter couldn't handle the extra weight. She gets a new scooter and he rides the old one all on the tax payers dime. Disability my ***!

[Doobs41378]

What's the saying: I have no problem helping someone who cannot help themselves, I do not want to help someone who wont help themselves.

[noreast]

It's the M.O. for Mass government employees, get hurt the day you're doing your supervisors job and get the extra benny's for ever. Then, from what I see, buy lottery and cigarettes the rest of your life.

[robmac]

Well I've read the comments and have to say,while some milk the dole others like myself can't and cant get insurance if we could. So to make a blanket statement is absurd,as stated I collect SSDI due to a broken back and resulting issues from surgery. I for one paid into the system since I was 15yo so I'm not taking money I didn't already put in the system. Why not focus on those collecting that never paid into the system!

[noreast]

I think the focus has been on the cheats, I can't imagine anyone begrudging someone who is legit. I could have missed it though, I skimmed through.

[Billy Bob]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I see this fat 300lb women ride by my shop everyday on her disability scooter with her skinny *** husband walking next to her. They go to the local convenience store everyday to get their lottery tickets. Next thing I know their both riding scooters to the store. Now she's 400lb's and the first scooter couldn't handle the extra weight. She gets a new scooter and he rides the old one all on the tax payers dime. Disability my ***!

So the lady on the scooter should be the the hostess at the Woodshed and he the head chef ? These folks like many others in the area are facing challenges that probably go well beyond physical issues and mental challenges. Laconia and the north country attract challenged people because the towns have lost the old factories and now have cheap rent and lower costs of living . They may have participated in causing their current situation but you can bet if they had it to do over again there life choices , or just what life brought them, they would want a better outcome .
These people have nothing to do with the worker shortage and we should all be thankful we are not in similar situations .

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by Billy Bob

So the lady on the scooter should be the the hostess at the Woodshed and he the head chef ? These folks like many others in the area are facing challenges that probably go well beyond physical issues and mental challenges. Laconia and the north country attract challenged people because the towns have lost the old factories and now have cheap rent and lower costs of living . They may have participated in causing their current situation but you can bet if they had it to do over again there life choices , or just what life brought them, they would want a better outcome .
These people have nothing to do with the worker shortage and we should all be thankful we are not in similar situations .

This is back in Mass. And these people are useless. They should be taken to the woodshed!

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Biggd

This is back in Mass. And these people are useless. They should be taken to the woodshed!

Real nice. I'm for clearing the system of cheats as much as the next guy, but I would much, much rather see the scams at the top--you know, corporate welfare and white-collar criminals--focused on. Welfare abuse pales in comparison to the top end costs.

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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Real nice. I'm for clearing the system of cheats as much as the next guy, but I would much, much rather see the scams at the top--you know, corporate welfare and white-collar criminals--focused on. Welfare abuse pales in comparison to the top end costs.

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I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for these people that scam the welfare and disability system. I see many of them in the neighborhood I have my shop in. I agree with you about the white collar crime and corporate cheats but that's another subject. All scams need to be dealt with whether at the top or the bottom of the pay scale. It does matter if you're stealing $100 dollars or $100,000 it's still stealing.

[thinkxingu]

Originally Posted by Biggd

I'm sorry but I have no sympathy for these people that scam the welfare and disability system. I see many of them in the neighborhood I have my shop in. I agree with you about the white collar crime and corporate cheats but that's another subject. All scams need to be dealt with whether at the top or the bottom of the pay scale. It does matter if you're stealing $100 dollars or $100,000 it's still stealing.

Agreed, but for some sad reason, Americans find it so much easier to pick on the people at the bottom.

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[Biggd]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Agreed, but for some sad reason, Americans find it so much easier to pick on the people at the bottom.

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Probably because they are out and about where as the white collar criminals are hiding out in offices.

[robmac]

I only wish those with strong opinions will let the officials they helped elect what concerns they have. Enough pressure something may get done, this isn't the forum to get it done. JMHO

[Acrossamerica]

Originally Posted by robmac

I only wish those with strong opinions will let the officials they helped elect what concerns they have. Enough pressure something may get done, this isn't the forum to get it done. JMHO

Sadly the elected officials in most of New England are the very people who have created the climate that allows the laggards to survive on the arm of the taxpayer. So complaining to them gets you nowhere. It is only at the ballot box that one has a chance to change the system. At least at the national level we may have that chance for the first time is 28 years.

[CGI3]

Originally Posted by Acrossamerica

Sadly the elected officials in most of New England are the very people who have created the climate that allows the laggards to survive on the arm of the taxpayer. So complaining to them gets you nowhere. It is only at the ballot box that one has a chance to change the system. At least at the national level we may have that chance for the first time is 28 years.

Do you blame them???Give a 20-25 year old 30-45,000 in benefits,,I.E section 8, ebt card, 100% insurance, etc etc , Why would they want to go out and work 40+ hours a week at 12-15.00 per hour??

[Biggd]

Originally Posted by CGI3

Do you blame them???Give a 20-25 year old 30-45,000 in benefits,,I.E section 8, ebt card, 100% insurance, etc etc , Why would they want to go out and work 40+ hours a week at 12-15.00 per hour??

It's human nature,
Give somebody free money and they will take it as long as it's available.

[Descant]

Complain to elected officials about too much welfare?
Jeanne Shaheen, Maggie Hassan, Annie Kuster and Carol Shea-Porter.
Think about it!

And all elected officials want to brag about what they got fore the folks back home, regardless of party. Not many voters want to hear that I cut this or that, unless you cut taxes.

[Outdoorsman]

Originally Posted by Acrossamerica

Sadly the elected officials in most of New England are the very people who have created the climate that allows the laggards to survive on the arm of the taxpayer. So complaining to them gets you nowhere. It is only at the ballot box that one has a chance to change the system. At least at the national level we may have that chance for the first time is 28 years.

I do not know all the details, but arguing will elected officials surely did not work in this case.

Alton argument

[Acrossamerica]

Originally Posted by Outdoorsman

I do not know all the details, but arguing will elected officials surely did not work in this case.

Alton argument

Actually arguing with the clowns of Alton does pay. This gentleman was tossed out of another Alton Selectman's meeting and arrested a year ago and after he sued in State Court he was awarded over $40,000 as the court found the insensitive selectmen guilty of violating his civil rights. This time they again did not allow him to speak for the full 3 minutes before they pulled the plug and had him tossed out. When he refused to go he was again arrested. Looks to me that this guy has a neat $40,000 plus a year job. Show up once a year let the stupid selectmen cut him off before his time has expired and have him arrested and then they get to pay $40,000 plus. Attention Alton taxpayers, is this where you wish to see your money go? If the selectmen can not sit for three minutes and be yelled at then they do not deserve to be elected government officials.

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by Acrossamerica

Actually arguing with the clowns of Alton does pay. This gentleman was tossed out of another Alton Selectman's meeting and arrested a year ago and after he sued in State Court he was awarded over $40,000 as the court found the insensitive selectmen guilty of violating his civil rights. This time they again did not allow him to speak for the full 3 minutes before they pulled the plug and had him tossed out. When he refused to go he was again arrested. Looks to me that this guy has a neat $40,000 plus a year job. Show up once a year let the stupid selectmen cut him off before his time has expired and have him arrested and then they get to pay $40,000 plus. Attention Alton taxpayers, is this where you wish to see your money go? If the selectmen can not sit for three minutes and be yelled at then they do not deserve to be elected government officials.

He was alloted 3 minutes, like everyone else who wanted to speak in public input session #1, which was to offer comment on that night's agenda. He instead decided to rant about two officials up for election this year. He was given the opportunity to speak to the subject at hand, the agenda, but chose to continue his rant and was then asked to leave. He refused and said he still had time to speak on the agenda. He was again asked to leave, refused, and was escorted out by the police.
This gentleman has also been involved in disputes in the seacoast area, and also in Dover.
He also lost an appeal to have scoring sheets for the Superintendent search a few years ago in Alton released. He won the initial freedom of information suit, but lost on appeal to the Supreme Court.
What amazes me is how he professes to know how to run town government, but has yet to file for an office. Hmmmmmmm 😉

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[ApS]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

Agreed, but for some sad reason, Americans find it so much easier to pick on the people at the bottom.

American taxpayers are also picking on white collar employees "hiding in offices":

http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/23/fe...sts-fake-data/


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[Mr. V]

Originally Posted by Biggd

This is back in Mass. And these people are useless. They should be taken to the woodshed!

Good grief!

First you bark about how useless they are, then in the next breath you want to treat them to a great meal.

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by songkrai

This is a spoof, right?

No one believes these old myths anymore.

http://www.nhes.nh.gov/elmi/statistics/laus-data.htm

http://www.nhes.nh.gov/elmi/statistics/alt-measures.htm

Briefly... NH unemployment 'U3' measure standard unemploy # dropped from 3.4 last year to 2.6 this year.
Belknap county was similar. Heaviest in far north of state. Last year 'U6' absolute unemployed & underemployed was 8.0.