Is the lake any Safer then it was 10 years ago

[chipj29]

Originally Posted by ApS

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You know, it is pretty clear to me that we don't agree on this, which is fine. I have no intention of clogging this forum with images or pictures of boats, canoes, kayaks, or pets on stand up paddle boards similar to what you may have found on the internet.

The fact of the matter is, and you can't disagree with this, is that certain watercraft, or objects on the water, in certain conditions, are difficult to see. No matter the speed you are traveling, sometimes things are hard to see.

If you disagree with that, then well I don't know what to say.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by thinkxingu

APS, you're beginning to post like FLL!

FLL and I agree that some speedboats are a mortal hazard to peaceable boaters—most especially, those speedboat "drivers" who practice scofflaw "driving".

Originally Posted by chipj29

You know, it is pretty clear to me that we don't agree on this, which is fine. I have no intention of clogging this forum with images or pictures of boats, canoes, kayaks, or pets on stand up paddle boards similar to what you may have found on the internet. The fact of the matter is, and you can't disagree with this, is that certain watercraft, or objects on the water, in certain conditions, are difficult to see.

Starting with the five kayaks nine days ago, every photo was taken by me on this Lake. The prior Interstate photo was also mine. The SUP with the dogs was taken at a neighbor's here last month. The dogs' owners brought swim masks, and were diving below. Most of us can see the dogs, which are smaller than most boaters.

This powerboat is an occupied Jet-Ski at headway speed, which I'll propose is not as easy to see as a kayak:



BTW: How would it do at a dockside exhaust noise test, I wonder?

Originally Posted by chipj29

No matter the speed you are traveling, sometimes things are hard to see. If you disagree with that, then well I don't know what to say.

Speed diminishes the visual experience: it's not made better with rain, fog, darkness, "selfie-sticks", GPS, cellphones, alcohol, a boat at full-capacity, or squinting into the sun.



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[chipj29]

Originally Posted by ApS

FLL and I agree that some speedboats are a mortal hazard to peaceable boaters—most especially, those speedboat "drivers" who practice scofflaw "driving".

Mortal hazard to peaceable boaters
Speedboat "drivers" practicing scofflaw "driving"

You and I were discussing visibility of certain types of watercraft in certain conditions, and you turned it into another speed limit discussion. I am NOT taking the bait.

And with this, I am out of this discussion.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by ApS

FLL and I agree that some speedboats are a mortal hazard to peaceable boaters—most especially, those speedboat "drivers" who practice scofflaw "driving".

You share other commonalities as well... you two should hang out, you'll get along swimmingly!!

[Phantom]

Phantom just sits back and shakes his head ..............



just another example of a thread derailed
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[chipj29]

Originally Posted by Phantom

Phantom just sits back and shakes his head ..............



just another example of a thread derailed
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My apologies. I can't stand when APS posts unrelated pics etc, and end up getting sucked in to correct the misinformation.

[pm203]

To get back to the original question, the lake is not any safer. Speed was never the issue, alcohol and stupidity were and still are.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by chipj29

The fact of the matter is, and you can't disagree with this, is that certain watercraft, or objects on the water, in certain conditions, are difficult to see. No matter the speed you are traveling, sometimes things are hard to see. If you disagree with that, then well I don't know what to say.

That's why the U.S. Coast Guard enforces Rule 6...

Some here would disagree with the U.S. Coast Guard regarding long-established maritime law...?

Originally Posted by Phantom

"...just another example of a thread derailed..."

The OP listed two "restrictions"—listed below.

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

"...I don't believe that the boating Safety course, nor speed limits have really done anything that make the lake safer..."

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Nothing's been derailed.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by ApS

That's why the U.S. Coast Guard enforces Rule 6...

Some here would disagree with the U.S. Coast Guard regarding long-established maritime law...?

During the SL debate, you and your fellow SL supporters said Rule 6 was inadequate. But now it is "well established maritime law"... you wonder why people are confused by your ramblings.

[pm203]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

During the SL debate, you and your fellow SL supporters said Rule 6 was inadequate. But now it is "well established maritime law"... you wonder why people are confused by your ramblings.

What would you expect from a group that used the tragedy of one of their own to promote their own agenda?

[Webbsatwinni]

Could be why this forum died, too one sided and specifically motivated. Any discussions involving anything they want to be speed related is sent to the issues area to help influence the opinions of its members.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

During the SL debate, you and your fellow SL supporters said Rule 6 was inadequate. But now it is "well established maritime law"... you wonder why people are confused by your ramblings.

Sorry you are confused, but maritime is defined at Dictionary.com as, "connected with the sea, especially in relation to seafaring commercial or military activity".



As anyone can see at the above photograph, Lake Winnipesaukee is considered "protected inland waters" by the USCG; nonetheless, rules for a proper watch, proper lighting, and keeping crew and passengers safe still apply.

Scoured long ago by glacial epochs, Lake Winnipesaukee is a highly-fractured freshwater lake, shaped into scores of mini-lakes consisting of many bays, inlets, ports, coves and harbors. The "Big" lake is further constricted by boulders, rocks, shoals, islands, and perhaps hundreds of navigational markers to delineate them. These natural- and man-made features effectively shrink the lake for boaters.

These bays, inlets, ports, coves and harbors should be sanctuaries for wildlife, nature-watching, and safe boating. BUT two "experienced" boaters—who definitely should have known better—changed all that.

Now look at Sebago Lake:



Sebago Lake is nearly empty most of the season, has no speed limit, but is spared the tragic history of Lake Winnipesaukee's alcohol-fueled boaters.

Maybe we can explore the difference?



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[chipj29]

Originally Posted by ApS

Now look at Sebago Lake:
Sebago Lake is nearly empty most of the season, has no speed limit, but is spared the tragic history of Lake Winnipesaukee's alcohol-fueled boaters.
Maybe we can explore the difference?

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Maybe we can explore this topic without the hyperbole?

[noreast]

Iv'e never seen more drunk people in my life as I did last time I spent a week at Sebago. And that's no hyperbole.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by ApS

Sorry you are confused, but maritime is defined at Dictionary.com as, "connected with the sea, especially in relation to seafaring commercial or military activity".



As anyone can see at the above photograph, Lake Winnipesaukee is considered "protected inland waters" by the USCG; nonetheless, rules for a proper watch, proper lighting, and keeping crew and passengers safe still apply.

Scoured long ago by glacial epochs, Lake Winnipesaukee is a highly-fractured freshwater lake, shaped into scores of mini-lakes consisting of many bays, inlets, ports, coves and harbors. The "Big" lake is further constricted by boulders, rocks, shoals, islands, and perhaps hundreds of navigational markers to delineate them. These natural- and man-made features effectively shrink the lake for boaters.

These bays, inlets, ports, coves and harbors should be sanctuaries for wildlife, nature-watching, and safe boating. BUT two "experienced" boaters—who definitely should have known better—changed all that.

Now look at Sebago Lake:



Sebago Lake is nearly empty most of the season, has no speed limit, but is spared the tragic history of Lake Winnipesaukee's alcohol-fueled boaters.

Maybe we can explore the difference?



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Yes, you are confused. Have a great summer complaining about everything but yourself!!

[LIforrelaxin]

Originally Posted by ApS

Sorry you are confused, but maritime is defined at Dictionary.com as, "connected with the sea, especially in relation to seafaring commercial or military activity".
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I really really hate it when people post a snipet of a definition to suit there own purpose....


adjective
1.
connected with the sea in relation to navigation, shipping, etc.
2.
of or relating to the sea:
maritime resources.
3.
bordering on the sea:
maritime provinces.
4.
living near or in the sea:
maritime plants.
5.
characteristic of a sailor; nautical:
maritime clothing.

Beacuase I can use a snipet of definition to define sea to be:

Waters of considerable extent, more or less definitely marked off by land boundaries

APS why is it that you stir the pot more then most, but yet your the good guy?

Bottom line is as it always has been you can't legislate stupid.... the more laws you enact doesn't equate to a safer community.... the lake is not any safer now then it was 12 years ago....

[kawishiwi]

Originally Posted by LIforrelaxin

I really really hate it when people post a snipet of a definition to suit there own purpose....


adjective
1.
connected with the sea in relation to navigation, shipping, etc.
2.
of or relating to the sea:
maritime resources.
3.
bordering on the sea:
maritime provinces.
4.
living near or in the sea:
maritime plants.
5.
characteristic of a sailor; nautical:
maritime clothing.

Beacuase I can use a snipet of definition to define sea to be:

Waters of considerable extent, more or less definitely marked off by land boundaries

APS why is it that you stir the pot more then most, but yet your the good guy?

Bottom line is as it always has been you can't legislate stupid.... the more laws you enact doesn't equate to a safer community.... the lake is not any safer now then it was 12 years ago....

Wow. Burn a guy up and in the same breath make fully & completely unsubstantiated claim on the relative safety of the lake over the last dozen years? Or do I owe you an apology because you are citing one or more documentary pieces of evidence that substantiate your safety assertion? At least the poster you tookbissue with actually cited, albeit in an edited form, REAL information.





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