Tips for Relocating rocks in shallow areas of lake

[noreast]

Originally Posted by shore things

Important tip: Before moving rocks around on, or removing them from, public submerged lands one should obtain a Dredge and Fill permit from the NH Department of Environmental Services Wetlands Bureau as required by RSA 482-A, the Wetlands Act.

D. Forst
Shoreland Section Supervisor
NH DES Wetlands Bureau / Land Resource Management Programs

Please, how about a move rock permit. I don't think he wants to dredge or fill.

[AC2717]

shore things is just advising of the proper way to do it with the authorities I would not knock getting to know what is actually needed to be done. this is what the forum is all about

[rowinghelmet]

You can wrap a strap around the rock and use a come-a-long attached to a tube, rowboat, or the bow eye on your boat to reposition things underwater.

If you want to get really fancy use a lift bag -

[BroadHopper]

Funny, Old Man Winter and or Mother Nature does not require a permit to move the rocks. Yet man has to have permission to move them back!

[Happy Gourmand]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Funny, Old Man Winter and or Mother Nature does not require a permit to move the rocks. Yet man has to have permission to move them back!

You only need permission if you ask before you do it.

[ITD]

The rocks around me are just the tip of the iceberg.

[ushaggerb]

Originally Posted by ITD

The rocks around me are just the tip of the iceberg.

So it was you moving those icebergs....

[Kamper]

If you don't already have one, get a chart-plotter with the Beiser chip. Mine showed a lot of specific rocks to avoid. Yours may already be listed.

Any rocks that are too big to move without heavy lift gear should be left alone. Mark it with a piece of fat PVC and write the work "ROCK" on it. If ballast it with some cement it will float straight up and down.

This will probably last all season but remember to take it in, in the fall.

Good luck!

[wifi]

Quite a few years ago, a neighbor a few doors down, hired a barge to pull dozens of large boulders to open up his dock... They dropped them in the lake about 500 feet out. I filmed the whole thing. They sold the place with much gain.

My direct neighbor cut down trees, installed a new beach, new break water, new docks, redid his lawn, paved over his driveway, all with no consequence and with no permits. House is now for sale at great gain. Complaints from neighbors on both events produced no results. What is the lesson ?

All is well here in Mboro.

[Onshore]

Originally Posted by BroadHopper

Funny, Old Man Winter and or Mother Nature does not require a permit to move the rocks. Yet man has to have permission to move them back!

Well, Old Man Winter and Mother Nature could kill you too, but no one is going to send them to jail. It's just crazy double standard.

[Onshore]

Speaking of double standards this highlights one that I find intriguing. I tend to sympathize with property rights issues more than some people might guess. I do understand why people get so chafed by regulations and the need to get permits. You pay hard earned money to own land then you pay taxes on it. Yet someone else gets a say in what you do with it. So how is it that individuals who are very strong proponents for property rights can have no qualms with the notion of going onto land that they don't own, in this case public submerged lands, and treating it as if it were theirs; building things, placing fill, or removing materials. If you don't own the land how do you justify those actions and yet claim to value property rights. I mean you wouldn't do that to your other, non-public, neighbor's land, would you? (Actually I have met some people that would)

Please understand that I'm not trying to be critical of any one or any group. These are not bad or corrupt people involved in these situations. This is just such a common issue that arises in what we do here in the office and I find this logic and rationalization to be intriguing and would throw it out there if anyone wishes to comment.

[rsmlp]

Seriously? You post this on the forum? Are you BEGGING for trouble?

[noreast]

I agree with the overall point, I just don't think this "highlights the double standard" as long as no one else is impacted. I've seen home owners cut trees on public property for there view, or create their own beach far into the water. I don't believe in NRZ's for the most part, as it is an obvious abuse of public property to improve the enjoyment for the whiners. Moving rocks is a common, necessary act.

[ApS]

Originally Posted by shore things

"...Please understand that I'm not trying to be critical of any one or any group. These are not bad or corrupt people involved in these situations. This is just such a common issue that arises in what we do here in the office and I find this logic and rationalization to be intriguing and would throw it out there if anyone wishes to comment..."

Like many of my neighbors, we move our shoreline rocks every year to restore the shoreline.

One neighbor, whose boat has been docked at the same dock since 1960, moved his boat to the very end of his dock: that proved to be insufficient against boat wakes, so he (reasonably) removed those rocks that struck his boat's hull.

This Spring, I cautioned that same neighbor that he was going to lose seven leaning trees of mixed hardwood species from his shoreline—and now was the time to cut them for firewood.



I didn't say that he'd lose them one tree at a time.




Another neighbor is trying to restore a small sandy area you could call a "submerged beach". He moves the large gravel from neighbors' driveways that washes down with every thunderstorm. That driveway was poorly redesigned when the new "spec-built-and-oversized" McMansion was built. Three antagonistic property owners share that driveway so it doesn't get fixed.

​​​•​ ​​This past summer, as a "preliminary test", we placed a single concrete block against our shoreline found that boat wakes would move it around.

​​​•​ ​​Last week, for science , I constructed a small structure (a cairn) of a few concrete blocks buttressed and weighted with handy rocks in ankle-deep water and photographed it. The purpose of this shallow-water cairn is to study the effects of Winter's storm winds and ice, and to contrast any effects after the passing of a year.

As I'd made annual limnology calls to the late Jody Connor of NHDES, I think he would approve...



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[DickR]

Originally Posted by Jersey Ed

I am quite surprised that no one has suggested using air-bags to lift and move rocks.

If that photo is any indication, you'd need six feet or more water above whatever the bag must lift just to float the bag before any actual lifting is done. How much water does the OP's boat draw, anyway? Is he the skipper of the Mt.Washington, taking his "work boat" home with him?

[Onshore]

Originally Posted by noreast

Please, how about a move rock permit. I don't think he wants to dredge or fill.

All Wetlands Permits even dock permits are frequently called dredge and fill permits. The title across the top actually reads "Wetlands and Non-Site Specific Permit."

[noreast]

Originally Posted by shore things

All Wetlands Permits even dock permits are frequently called dredge and fill permits. The title across the top actually reads "Wetlands and Non-Site Specific Permit."

I realize that, I'm just pointing out the ridiculousness of it. I also understand that gov over regulates because many people are jerks. don't get anyone involved and do what you have to do.