For shame!

[Happy Gourmand]

I have no dog in this hunt, but, it looks like a lot of the debris in question is embedded in the ice. What if the person who had the bobhouse, pulled it off one day but didn't have whatever equipment he felt was needed to chop the ice enough to remove the trash, so he left it...to return a day or whatever later with equipment and enough help to clean it up. I don't know if this is what happened, but the mess is gone.
If this isn't how this went down, then kudos to the individual(s) who did clean it up

[riverat]

Originally Posted by The Phantom Gourmand

I have no dog in this hunt, but, it looks like a lot of the debris in question is embedded in the ice. What if the person who had the bobhouse, pulled it off one day but didn't have whatever equipment he felt was needed to chop the ice enough to remove the trash, so he left it...to return a day or whatever later with equipment and enough help to clean it up. I don't know if this is what happened, but the mess is gone.
If this isn't how this went down, then kudos to the individual(s) who did clean it up

I tend to believe you have the most logical answer, although being an avid ice fisherman myself and owner of 2 bobhouses I will say that during the course of the season the conditions change constantly on the ice. I started by blocking my shacks up 6" off the ice and by the end of the season I had to block them up another 8", a total of 14" from the original surface.
When I remove the houses at the end of the season I "try" to recover all my blockage to use again next season and sometimes it takes a couple of trips out to get them all without chiseling your arms off. I still have to make one more trip to retreive my last blocks which are still 6" down. But in any event, THIS person had a very sloppy unsightly area from the get go and unfortunately it got frozen into the ice. Glad it is gone, my favorite ice fishing forum are bashing this guy worse than this site is. We do not like the bad PR.

[BoBo]

Like I said before, if you know the person who owns "The Lodge" bobhouse he can tell you who it is that left that mess. Sad part is, I didn't think much of the persons name on the house of the time, but they are from Meredith I do remember that. Just don't recall the name.

[BoBo]

Better yet, I found some pics of my trashy neighbors on the lake this year, Can you identify these houses?

[riverat]

Must be careful about accusing individuals and going on a witch hunt on here I am sure this forum is not for that purpose. And I can clearly see from the pictures that the shacks that you are pointing out as the perps are clearly much closer to the shore in front of the Inn at Church Landing than the original picture of the trash left on the ice. just saying...

[BoBo]

RiverRat, I thought I was being helpful by providing these photos. I had my shack right next to these guys and know of all that they left behind. I picked up half the mess of bottles, cans, plastic sled and garbage that were not shown in the original photo. I chiseled out one of those spools for them because they had not been able or willing to get it out. What should we be careful of? If everyone just wants to complain but do nothing, then I'm sorry. If someone had bagged me doing something like that, I would be out there ASAP clearing my name. I sense you feel an allegiance with your fellow fisherman not wanting to be a rat. But if we don't police our own, the few bad apples will ruin it for the rest of us.

[tc_mike]

For what it's worth, the ice fishing community also finds this mess to be appalling.
http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing...topic=290857.0

[GTO]

Originally Posted by tc_mike

For what it's worth, the ice fishing community also finds this mess to be appalling.
http://www.iceshanty.com/ice_fishing...topic=290857.0

This year was probably the most houses I have seen on the bay in a long time and right up until the last weekend. With that said, this was the only spot that was left like that. Everyone else dod a great job cleaning up their sites before leaving the ice. Sad thing is.....I'm sure their site looked like that throughout the winter, no respect for their "neighbors".

[SIKSUKR]

I can clearly see that narrow popup next to the red bobhouse is shown in the first 2 photos. Worse, it looks like it probably was the bathroom.

[riverat]

Originally Posted by BoBo

RiverRat, I thought I was being helpful by providing these photos. I had my shack right next to these guys and know of all that they left behind. I picked up half the mess of bottles, cans, plastic sled and garbage that were not shown in the original photo. I chiseled out one of those spools for them because they had not been able or willing to get it out. What should we be careful of? If everyone just wants to complain but do nothing, then I'm sorry. If someone had bagged me doing something like that, I would be out there ASAP clearing my name. I sense you feel an allegiance with your fellow fisherman not wanting to be a rat. But if we don't police our own, the few bad apples will ruin it for the rest of us.

I assure you that I would have no allegiance with anybody that leaves a mess like that on the ice, all I was saying is the photos of before and after look to be of a different distance from shore and was concerned the wrong people would be blamed. We do need to police our own area and beyond, the Newfound lake crew do a fine job of policing their lake and parking areas and we should learn by example. Meredith bay has earned a reputation as being party central during the derby and on weekends and that's ok if that is what you want but, don't leave crap behind for someone else to pick up. Take out what you take in.

[Grant]

Well, you should see the bottom of the Lake in the areas where there's a lot of ice fishing. Look for the telltale pile of beer cans. All that stuff you see will end up on the bottom. Every dive is an adventure, because you never know what you are going to find.

And the boaters can thank the slobs for the discarded wood floating around, waiting to ding your hull...

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by Grant

Well, you should see the bottom of the Lake in the areas where there's a lot of ice fishing. Look for the telltale pile of beer cans. All that stuff you see will end up on the bottom. Every dive is an adventure, because you never know what you are going to find.

And the boaters can thank the slobs for the discarded wood floating around, waiting to ding your hull...

In my youth, I did a lot of snorkeling and scuba, and it amazed me how ice fishermen could locate a bob house in the same place year after year, as evidenced by the pyramids of beer cans, which in the 50's would show rusting. Sometimes it was a really large pile, and in other cases it was several piles, close together, and sometimes overlapping.

And as a kid, I had learned "if you bring it in, bring it out". Thank you BSA and Camp Lawrence.

[SAB1]

Originally Posted by Grant

Well, you should see the bottom of the Lake in the areas where there's a lot of ice fishing. Look for the telltale pile of beer cans. All that stuff you see will end up on the bottom. Every dive is an adventure, because you never know what you are going to find.

And the boaters can thank the slobs for the discarded wood floating around, waiting to ding your hull...

Not picking sides here but I think this is a bit overdone to blame ice fisherman for all that. Sure there always a few slobs around but I spend a fair amount of time on the ice and all in all the ice around the shacks is kept fairly clean at least in the Tuftonboro/Moultonboro area and snowmobiling thru other areas I dont see garbage on the ice. There is plenty of debris (beer cans, coffee caps, plastic bags, diapers, cigarette butts etc) floating around the lake most everday I take a boat ride.

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by SAB1

Not picking sides here but I think this is a bit overdone to blame ice fisherman for all that. Sure there always a few slobs around but I spend a fair amount of time on the ice and all in all the ice around the shacks is kept fairly clean at least in the Tuftonboro/Moultonboro area and snowmobiling thru other areas I dont see garbage on the ice. There is plenty of debris (beer cans, coffee caps, plastic bags, diapers, cigarette butts etc) floating around the lake most everday I take a boat ride.

Empties are deep sixed through the ice hole inside (and probably outside as well.)

No argument about lots of trash on the lake year round. That's just an indication of no pride in the lakes and rivers in our area.

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

Empties are deep sixed through the ice hole inside (and probably outside as well.)

Your condemning an entire group of sportsmen with that statement and I take offense! I don't do that and I am an ice fishermen!! I can also tell you that the MAJORITY of ice fishermen do not do that!! What we bring in we bring out!

Dan

[4Fun]

There are always bad apples.

Statistically I must be the biggest litter bug on the planet.
I'm an ice fisherman, snowmobiler, mountain biker, and boater.

Only a small fraction of people in these groups give us a bad name. Heck, I chased a blowing paper napkin about 100 yards across the Winona this winter so were not all bad.

[Jeanzb1]

Litter is one of our biggest pet peeves. How people can just wing bottles and cans and wrappers out the car window I will never understand. We have picked up trash for many years in North Andover, MA and on the beaches in Florida and now here in Gilford. Yesterday was our first day out this spring! And then we went to NH DOT in Laconia for a supply of blue bags in which to leave the trash on the roadsides for pickup. It's actually kind of scary because the cars whiz by fast, but we do it because this is now our home and we think this area is so beautiful and litter on the roads is a blight on the landscape.

[upthesaukee]

Originally Posted by ishoot308

Your condemning an entire group of sportsmen with that statement and I take offense! I don't do that and I am an ice fishermen!! I can also tell you that the MAJORITY of ice fishermen do not do that!! What we bring in we bring out!

Dan

Just my own experience from diving years ago. I'm sure it was not every bob house, in fact I would guess a minority of them. But it sure was easy to understand where the pile of cans / bottles came from, and how they got there.

And also from a few friends who had bob houses as teenagers. They said they brought the beer out under the cover of darkness, stuck the cans under the floor of the bob house, and went out the next day to "fish", and when they were done with the can, that is just what they did.

Sorry if you took offense...not saying all do it...just I know that some do.

Dave/

[ishoot308]

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

Sorry if you took offense...not saying all do it...just I know that some do.

Dave/

Thank You!

Carry on...

Dan