Yikes

brk-lnt · 05-08-2013, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ishoot308

The problem becomes when a small amount of water gets trapped in the corner of the weld seams. This mainly happens in the nose cone section where a lot of welds, seams and sections come together at different angles and water can get trapped. It doesn't take much either.

Last year when my pontoon was first put in the water I had a small weld pop in the front of my center pontoon. Over the period of a couple weeks I could tell something was wrong as my speed slowed by 5 MPH and I could feel the drag.

Fay's pulled the boat and it took two hours for the water to drain. A quick trip to the weld shop had me up and running the same day.

Dan

Interesting.

Seems like it would be relatively easy to add a simple pressure gauge/sensor to the 'toons. Since they are pressurized slightly (or should/could be), you wouldn't even need much of a gauge, just a basic redlight/greenlight indicator. If I had a 'toon, I'd probably build something like that just for the sake of easily knowing that no cracks had developed.

Happy Gourmand · 05-08-2013, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Interesting.

Seems like it would be relatively easy to add a simple pressure gauge/sensor to the 'toons. Since they are pressurized slightly (or should/could be), you wouldn't even need much of a gauge, just a basic redlight/greenlight indicator. If I had a 'toon, I'd probably build something like that just for the sake of easily knowing that no cracks had developed.

Sounds like a great idea, and easy to do too. but I wonder how the pressure would be affected by air and water temperature. I would guess that on a real hot sunny day, with the boat out of the water, in the sun, that you could end up with some "balooning" pontoons.

brk-lnt · 05-08-2013, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The Phantom Gourmand

Sounds like a great idea, and easy to do too. but I wonder how the pressure would be affected by air and water temperature. I would guess that on a real hot sunny day, with the boat out of the water, in the sun, that you could end up with some "balooning" pontoons.

Generally speaking you'd only need to know that the internal pressure of the pontoons was greater than the outside atmospheric pressure. You're correct that on hot days the pressure might go up more than usual, but it should still settle back down to something above outside air pressure as the 'toons cool.

SIKSUKR · 05-08-2013, 02:21 PM

I'd be very surprized if the pressure raised at all in a pontoon because of air temp.The pontoons are aluminum and are a great conductor which would lead me to believe they would pretty much stay about the temp of the water unless the boat was on a lift or racked.

ITD · 05-08-2013, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

I'd be very surprized if the pressure raised at all in a pontoon because of air temp.The pontoons are aluminum and are a great conductor which would lead me to believe they would pretty much stay about the temp of the water unless the boat was on a lift or racked.

PV=nRT if the pontoons are sealed then the pressure will change with temperature. Don't forget about the sun..... Science, it's great stuff.

SIKSUKR · 05-09-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ITD

PV=nRT if the pontoons are sealed then the pressure will change with temperature. Don't forget about the sun..... Science, it's great stuff.

Put a can of beer 1/3 submerged in the water on a hot sunny day.Open that beer after a few hours and check the temp.I'll bet that beer temp is very close to the water temp.

Science is great stuff when combined with comman sense.

brk-lnt · 05-09-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Put a can of beer 1/3 submerged in the water on a hot sunny day.Open that beer after a few hours and check the temp.I'll bet that beer temp is very close to the water temp.

Science is great stuff when combined with comman sense.

The area of the beer can relative to its water and air contact is a lot different than that of a pontoon log...

Happy Gourmand · 05-09-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SIKSUKR

Put a can of beer 1/3 submerged in the water on a hot sunny day.Open that beer after a few hours and check the temp.I'll bet that beer temp is very close to the water temp.

Science is great stuff when combined with comman sense.

Are you talking about a 12 oz can or a 16 oz can?

jrc · 05-09-2013, 03:20 PM

Drink the beer before it get too warm, that's common sense and science.

Wow, toons have come a long way from the days of the pokey party barge. The big one in our marina is amazing.

ITD · 05-09-2013, 05:12 PM

Ahhhh, I didn't realize they filled the pontoons with beer......

HellRaZoR004 · 05-09-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ITD

Ahhhh, I didn't realize they filled the pontoons with beer......

Now we're talking some sense

NoBozo · 05-09-2013, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HellRaZoR004

Now we're talking some sense

It's like a "Self Propelled" KEG.

NB

ITD · 05-09-2013, 07:30 PM

Some CO2 and a cold plate, that would be some party!!

HellRaZoR004 · 05-09-2013, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NoBozo

It's like a "Self Propelled" KEG.

NB

Don't give the party barge in Braun Bay any ideas

ishoot308 · 05-20-2013, 04:21 PM

All this talk about holes in pontoons jinxed me!!

I have been noticing a loss in speed for the past couple weeks and navigating to my slip at Fay's this morning I knew something was up as I felt a lot of drag and speed was way down by about 10 MPH.

Fay's pulled the boat for me and lo and behold another hole in the center tube towards the front nose cone!

Not sure what caused this one yet...

Dan

SAMIAM · 05-21-2013, 09:48 AM

Getting a little discouraged.........Monday will be 3weeks without the boat.I emailed Jeff and got no response.He said he would weld it so we could use the boat until the new pontoon arrived.I thought we were pretty understanding....didn't get mad that they put a fork lift through my brand new Bennington,so I thought he might get right on it.

ishoot308 · 05-21-2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Getting a little discouraged.........Monday will be 3weeks without the boat.I emailed Jeff and got no response.He said he would weld it so we could use the boat until the new pontoon arrived.I thought we were pretty understanding....didn't get mad that they put a fork lift through my brand new Bennington,so I thought he might get right on it.

I would be pretty upset too!!

Dan

Rusty · 05-21-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Getting a little discouraged.........Monday will be 3weeks without the boat.I emailed Jeff and got no response.He said he would weld it so we could use the boat until the new pontoon arrived.I thought we were pretty understanding....didn't get mad that they put a fork lift through my brand new Bennington,so I thought he might get right on it.

I've done a lot of Aluminum welding using TIG or MIG and I can tell you it is not easy to repair something that is only @ 0.080 - 0.090 thick.
A patch is the best way to go, and even then it is difficult.

They are probably waiting for the new log to come in so they don't have to fix the old one.

These are just my opinions and I post them as such!

fatlazyless · 05-21-2013, 10:31 AM

...would most definitely be an easy & quik-fix with www.getflexseal.com/ ...flexseal to the rescue, buddy, with Phil Swift!

Happy Gourmand · 05-21-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Getting a little discouraged.........Monday will be 3weeks without the boat.I emailed Jeff and got no response.He said he would weld it so we could use the boat until the new pontoon arrived.I thought we were pretty understanding....didn't get mad that they put a fork lift through my brand new Bennington,so I thought he might get right on it.

Sorry to hear about this development. It sure puts a damper on the excitement of getting a new boat. I would be very upset at this point
I think I will get a trailer for my new pontoon boat and try to keep forklifts away from it.

Charlie T · 05-21-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Getting a little discouraged.........Monday will be 3weeks without the boat.I emailed Jeff and got no response.He said he would weld it so we could use the boat until the new pontoon arrived.I thought we were pretty understanding....didn't get mad that they put a fork lift through my brand new Bennington,so I thought he might get right on it.

At this point I would be asking for a loaner boat at no charge and a rebate on my valet fee. You paid your money and thru the sole fault of the dealer you don't have your boat, you should not have to pay to store a boat you can't use. The dealer has to take some responsibility here as it was their employee that caused the damage.

SAMIAM · 05-22-2013, 09:22 AM

All good suggestions.......I fired off another(not so friendly)email asking for a loaner.We'll see what happens.

NHBUOY · 05-31-2013, 09:39 AM

Hey Sam. I am thinking no news is good news.?.

Hope you are on the water now.

chasedawg · 06-01-2013, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Phantom Gourmand

Samiam, though it's been an awful week for boating, I was wondering if you heard from them regarding your request. I was chatting with another friend who kept his boat at Channel since 1986, but left them last year because of damage they did to his boat with a forlkift and then fought him tooth and nail about fixing it.

I just read your post. I was very disappointed in you posting bad information about certain marina's. You of all people should not be.

I know first hand that you went to this same marina to buy a pontoon boat because you told a friend of mine that the boat line they carried was the best pontoon boat on the market.

You then told them that you were a friend of a very good customer of theirs. You didn't even know this person only by a craig's listing and his name. They believed you and gave you a steep discount based on your word. Then you asked them, I was told, to correct and add items to make the sale to your liking which they did. When it came to closing you walked away.

Walking away from a transaction is a buyers right. And buyers remorse is understood. But what is disappointing is how you continue to give them a bad name.

I'm totally confused and others as well......what is your motive?

NoBozo · 05-08-2013, 02:35 PM

It makes no engineering sense to me, for the tubes to be Permanently sealed. IF the tubes were sealed at the factory, AND were pressurized, they would likely be "charged" with Dry Nitrogen. To do this, a "special" charging valve would be required and the AIR in the tube "evacuated".. before the nitrogen is introduced. The Only advantage to charging the tubes with dry nitrogen would be to prevent corrosion inside the tube. I highly doubt the factory would consider this "practicle". BTW: Any internal bulkheads/baffles will have "Limber Holes" to allow water to drain aft in a controlled manner.

It Would make perfect sense..both from the factory's/dealers point of view (future warranty work).. and the owners convenience, to provide access ports (with screw in covers and gaskets) on the top of the tubes to allow pumping the tubes out if required. Just a thought..

NB

PS: Sea Plane floats have such access ports on the top.

05-08-2013, 02:21 PM	#4
SIKSUKR Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,075 Thanks: 215 Thanked 903 Times in 509 Posts	I'd be very surprized if the pressure raised at all in a pontoon because of air temp.The pontoons are aluminum and are a great conductor which would lead me to believe they would pretty much stay about the temp of the water unless the boat was on a lift or racked. __________________ SIKSUKR

05-20-2013, 04:21 PM	#15
ishoot308 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Gilford, NH / Welch Island Posts: 6,537 Thanks: 2,455 Thanked 5,468 Times in 2,143 Posts	Jinxed! All this talk about holes in pontoons jinxed me!! I have been noticing a loss in speed for the past couple weeks and navigating to my slip at Fay's this morning I knew something was up as I felt a lot of drag and speed was way down by about 10 MPH. Fay's pulled the boat for me and lo and behold another hole in the center tube towards the front nose cone! Not sure what caused this one yet... Dan

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fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,174 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 310 Thanked 1,103 Times in 812 Posts	...would most definitely be an easy & quik-fix with www.getflexseal.com/ ...flexseal to the rescue, buddy, with Phil Swift! __________________ .... Banned for life from local thrift store!

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jrc Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: NH Posts: 2,689 Thanks: 33 Thanked 439 Times in 249 Posts	Drink the beer before it get too warm, that's common sense and science. Wow, toons have come a long way from the days of the pokey party barge. The big one in our marina is amazing.

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ITD Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonboro, NH Posts: 2,953 Thanks: 484 Thanked 703 Times in 393 Posts	Ahhhh, I didn't realize they filled the pontoons with beer......

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SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,937 Thanks: 349 Thanked 1,708 Times in 602 Posts	Getting a little discouraged.........Monday will be 3weeks without the boat.I emailed Jeff and got no response.He said he would weld it so we could use the boat until the new pontoon arrived.I thought we were pretty understanding....didn't get mad that they put a fork lift through my brand new Bennington,so I thought he might get right on it.

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SAMIAM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 2,937 Thanks: 349 Thanked 1,708 Times in 602 Posts	All good suggestions.......I fired off another(not so friendly)email asking for a loaner.We'll see what happens.

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NHBUOY Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Loon Mtn. winters...Meredith Neck summers Posts: 398 Thanks: 288 Thanked 94 Times in 60 Posts	Hey Sam. I am thinking no news is good news.?. Hope you are on the water now.

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NoBozo Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Portsmouth. RI Posts: 2,231 Thanks: 400 Thanked 460 Times in 308 Posts	It makes no engineering sense to me, for the tubes to be Permanently sealed. IF the tubes were sealed at the factory, AND were pressurized, they would likely be "charged" with Dry Nitrogen. To do this, a "special" charging valve would be required and the AIR in the tube "evacuated".. before the nitrogen is introduced. The Only advantage to charging the tubes with dry nitrogen would be to prevent corrosion inside the tube. I highly doubt the factory would consider this "practicle". BTW: Any internal bulkheads/baffles will have "Limber Holes" to allow water to drain aft in a controlled manner. It Would make perfect sense..both from the factory's/dealers point of view (future warranty work).. and the owners convenience, to provide access ports (with screw in covers and gaskets) on the top of the tubes to allow pumping the tubes out if required. Just a thought.. NB PS: Sea Plane floats have such access ports on the top.