New Boaters Organization

winnilaker · 04-21-2005, 10:17 PM

Frank, as you saw in our NHRBA forum. I will fight for all to be heard.

My post in that forum for others to know what I mean.

From NHRBA's forum:
Frank is entitled to his views. I went out of way to inform people on winn' forum that all are welcome. I won't support an org that is any other way
.....
I know there is emotion, but thoughtout approaches and communication on how to build NHRBA is more important. Can everyone agree on this vision with me?

Thanks,
Custie

P.S. sorry I was away on a business trip, and I wanted to take a vacation next week. What will happen then?

frank m. · 04-22-2005, 12:01 PM

Custie,
Thanks. I hope that those who seem to want to spend their time bashing me instead of working with me will now let it go. My concerns for loons and eagles and opposition to swim raft permitting don't seem to be reasons to disqualify me from your group. I hope I will not need to defend those positions anymore.

Additionally, it makes it hard for me to work with guys like Moose (#482), when he posts stuff like this about me on the other offshore forum;
"One of the speed limit people (Frank m) just posted on the other site. Seems he wants to and has joined the good guys (www.nhrba.com) and get this, he want's to attend a meeting they (NHRBA) are scheduling with marine patrol BUT he does not want anyone who is not a New Hampshire citizen to be allowed to participate or be allowed to discuss the boating issues on Lake Winnipesaukee!!! These folks just continue to dig their hole deeper with this over the top attitude. I LOVE IT!!! You gotta read it for yourself, I am still laughing....................."

Thanks for your help.
If I can convince them that it would be constructive and not confrontational, would you be interested in speaking at the next Winnfabs meeting?
Frank

restauranteer · 04-22-2005, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frank m.

...it makes it hard for me to work with guys like Moose, when he posts stuff like this about me on the other offshore forum...would you be interested in speaking at the next Winnfabs meeting?
Frank

You know, I come here to read about exciting events and occurences involving other members of the Winnipesaukee.com community. If I want to read about "Moose" and the goings on at offshore sites or the Winnfab group, I'll navigate there on my own, thank you.

Can we focus back on what goes on here, not there?

Of course, your appetite may vary.

Bon Apetit!

Fat Jack · 04-23-2005, 10:18 AM

Good post Resteraunter,
"Whine with that cheese"? That's classic.

I had thought you might be some sort of investigative reporter based on your earlier posts, but now I realize that you must be a poet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by restauranteer

I'll navigate there on my own, thank you.

Please do. We'll miss you.

Now, can someone please fill us in on this secret May 6 meeting with Director Barrett? I want to be there. What time and where? Is he joining the anti-safety group and having private meetings with them now to discuss strategy for preventing the speed limit? Will they also be discussing ways to legalize DWI and to stave off the enactment of any other safety regulations? Are the people he is meeting with NH residents and taxpayers like me who pay his salary or are is it only for the guys from Florida?
This is all pretty shocking to me, that OUR highest sitting public "safety" official would be meeting privately with a bunch of non-residents about how they can work together to fight a safety law that was designed to protect the citizens who pay his salary. Is this in his job description? Am I the only one appauled by this?

Of course, your appetite may vary.
Bon Apetit!

overlook · 04-22-2005, 03:02 PM

To the best of my knowledge, the meeting was set to introduce Director Barret to the organization. He will have more to say to NHBRA and they will listen. It was not to discuss possible HBs. NHBRA is young and your opinion is part of it, it is too early for NHBRA to discuss proposals. Remember there are 100,000 boats reg. in NH, probably 1/2 boat on Winni. witch is significant, but that leaves 50,000 boaters that have ther own issues. Boating safety is the main objective, and if the meeting turns into a discusson forum simmular to the ones we find on this forum it would be counter productive.

MAXUM · 04-22-2005, 05:24 PM

Welp I think that a speed limit is coming. Yell and scream all you want, there is an increasing number of boaters that either don't care, are to irresponsible or are just plain idiots piloting boats out there (of all sizes, makes brands etc...). Now compound the problem with the increased traffic. Right now the MP has rules that can be enforced such as inappropriate operation that is considered dangerious, however that is subject to opinion which makes it difficult to site and argue in court. Having something such as a speed limit now enables the MP to make a more cut and dry case. I personally think that this is way overdue. Boat manufacturers are making more powerful boats which just entices the operator to light it up and go. Unfortunatly this is a judgement call of the operator and is tough to legislate, however some deterrant needs to be put in place. It's no different IMHO than the speed limits on the road (which still get ignored), however there is a speeding ticket hanging over your head should you get caught.

I also beg to differ on the premise that speed is not a common factor in most accidents on the lake, it's really tough to screw something up at headway speed. Granted even at 20 MPH people could get killed, but the chances increase substantially as that increases to 45+ MPH, especailly with no brakes.

I'm in agreement with most in that the boater education is a joke here. Trouble is the cost of creating a more comprehensive course is going to be huge and probably will not to much more in the way of making the lake any safer.

I do think that attempting in any way to restrict boat access to the lake is a dangerious precedient to set and opens the door to cutting off public access all together... I pay far to much in taxes to this state, I'll be d*mned if somebody says I can't put my boat on a lake in my own state, ESPECAILLY if the lake is over run with out of staters.

My final comments on this little rant is that it is sad that new laws have to hit the books however something has to be done. There are far to many with 0 brains and 0 common sense. The funny thing is they have 0 cule they are the ones at fault too. UH - DUH!

Hope you all have a good and safe boating season.

04-21-2005, 10:17 PM	#1
winnilaker Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 95 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Message to Frank Frank, as you saw in our NHRBA forum. I will fight for all to be heard. My post in that forum for others to know what I mean. From NHRBA's forum: Frank is entitled to his views. I went out of way to inform people on winn' forum that all are welcome. I won't support an org that is any other way ..... I know there is emotion, but thoughtout approaches and communication on how to build NHRBA is more important. Can everyone agree on this vision with me? Thanks, Custie P.S. sorry I was away on a business trip, and I wanted to take a vacation next week. What will happen then? Last edited by winnilaker; 04-22-2005 at 12:42 AM.

04-22-2005, 12:01 PM	#2
frank m. Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 81 Thanks: 4 Thanked 27 Times in 7 Posts	Thanks Custie, Thanks. I hope that those who seem to want to spend their time bashing me instead of working with me will now let it go. My concerns for loons and eagles and opposition to swim raft permitting don't seem to be reasons to disqualify me from your group. I hope I will not need to defend those positions anymore. Additionally, it makes it hard for me to work with guys like Moose (#482), when he posts stuff like this about me on the other offshore forum; "One of the speed limit people (Frank m) just posted on the other site. Seems he wants to and has joined the good guys (www.nhrba.com) and get this, he want's to attend a meeting they (NHRBA) are scheduling with marine patrol BUT he does not want anyone who is not a New Hampshire citizen to be allowed to participate or be allowed to discuss the boating issues on Lake Winnipesaukee!!! These folks just continue to dig their hole deeper with this over the top attitude. I LOVE IT!!! You gotta read it for yourself, I am still laughing....................." Thanks for your help. If I can convince them that it would be constructive and not confrontational, would you be interested in speaking at the next Winnfabs meeting? Frank Last edited by frank m.; 04-24-2005 at 08:19 PM.

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04-22-2005, 03:02 PM	#5
overlook Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gilford Posts: 57 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	To the best of my knowledge, the meeting was set to introduce Director Barret to the organization. He will have more to say to NHBRA and they will listen. It was not to discuss possible HBs. NHBRA is young and your opinion is part of it, it is too early for NHBRA to discuss proposals. Remember there are 100,000 boats reg. in NH, probably 1/2 boat on Winni. witch is significant, but that leaves 50,000 boaters that have ther own issues. Boating safety is the main objective, and if the meeting turns into a discusson forum simmular to the ones we find on this forum it would be counter productive.

04-22-2005, 05:24 PM	#6
MAXUM Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Kuna ID Posts: 2,755 Thanks: 244 Thanked 1,942 Times in 802 Posts	Welp I think that a speed limit is coming. Yell and scream all you want, there is an increasing number of boaters that either don't care, are to irresponsible or are just plain idiots piloting boats out there (of all sizes, makes brands etc...). Now compound the problem with the increased traffic. Right now the MP has rules that can be enforced such as inappropriate operation that is considered dangerious, however that is subject to opinion which makes it difficult to site and argue in court. Having something such as a speed limit now enables the MP to make a more cut and dry case. I personally think that this is way overdue. Boat manufacturers are making more powerful boats which just entices the operator to light it up and go. Unfortunatly this is a judgement call of the operator and is tough to legislate, however some deterrant needs to be put in place. It's no different IMHO than the speed limits on the road (which still get ignored), however there is a speeding ticket hanging over your head should you get caught. I also beg to differ on the premise that speed is not a common factor in most accidents on the lake, it's really tough to screw something up at headway speed. Granted even at 20 MPH people could get killed, but the chances increase substantially as that increases to 45+ MPH, especailly with no brakes. I'm in agreement with most in that the boater education is a joke here. Trouble is the cost of creating a more comprehensive course is going to be huge and probably will not to much more in the way of making the lake any safer. I do think that attempting in any way to restrict boat access to the lake is a dangerious precedient to set and opens the door to cutting off public access all together... I pay far to much in taxes to this state, I'll be d*mned if somebody says I can't put my boat on a lake in my own state, ESPECAILLY if the lake is over run with out of staters. My final comments on this little rant is that it is sad that new laws have to hit the books however something has to be done. There are far to many with 0 brains and 0 common sense. The funny thing is they have 0 cule they are the ones at fault too. UH - DUH! Hope you all have a good and safe boating season.