Blizzard in the news again

[jmen24]

If this is so important to the boating community. Why was it not posted into the boating forum?

[Skip]

Originally Posted by jmen24

If this is so important to the boating community. Why was it not posted into the boating forum?

Answered in post #12 above.

[Lakesrider]

So a 16 year old can get into a boat and go 100 mph in his/her fathers boat and not get any points on their license....because they don't have one, but if I go less than a 150 feet away from a dock I can get a citation that gets put on my license.
BTW...Boaters are not really tested. They go to course, hopefully pass the test, and get a certificate. No one is ever taken out on the water and proven to be a responsible, safe boater. Just hop in the boat with your fresh new certificate and off you go to create havoc on the lake....Once they have drivers ed for boats...that is when they will be tested.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by Lakesrider

So a 16 year old can get into a boat and go 100 mph in his/her fathers boat and not get any points on their license....because they don't have one, but if I go less than a 150 feet away from a dock I can get a citation that gets put on my license.
BTW...Boaters are not really tested. They go to course, hopefully pass the test, and get a certificate. No one is ever taken out on the water and proven to be a responsible, safe boater. Just hop in the boat with your fresh new certificate and off you go to create havoc on the lake....Once they have drivers ed for boats...that is when they will be tested.

Actually DMV will create a record for the individual, even if they don't yet have a license.

When they attempt to get a license, or actually procure one then the violation you use as an example will transfer over and possibly affect their license status and insurance rates.

Finally pre-drivers (teens in particular) that commit gross vehicular offenses, or a boating offense as you describe, usually find that their privilege to operate a motor vehicle is revoked/suspended until their 18th birthday at a minimum.

[Lakesrider]

Good to know. Lots of kids get to take Dads toys out, whether they are cars or Boats, and never really learn to respect a vehicle simply because it is handed to them. My father made me buy my first car and pay for every aspect of ownership. I was in Wolfeboro the other day and watched several teenagers in a Sea Doo boat. The driver simply hit reverse and never looked behind him almost hitting an incoming boat to the docks. Makes me cringe to think of what is going on elsewhere on the lake.....

[jrc]

Originally Posted by Skip

Actually DMV will create a record for the individual, even if they don't yet have a license...

30 plus years ago (God I'm old) I tested this by getting three motor vehicle violations before my 16th birthday. They were on my drivers license when I got it.

[SAMIAM]

Skip seems to have an obsession with the Blizzard case as shown by his scores of posts on the subject.......never mind what the courts have decided.Skip seems to know better.Hopefully,Skip never makes a mistake in his life.
Why not just leave it alone and let people heal a little.It was a mistake....a skrew up that anyone could have made.
I grew up on the lake and old timers that I talk to tell me that it could have happened to anyone at the right moment....even Skip.

[NoBozo]

Since the Verdict..I have had the impression that Law Inforcement was NOT Happy with the Jury. Funny thing..The very next day....Erica gets grabbed for...speeding....what a coincidence. NB

PS: I didn't bring it up. Just my thoughts.

[Yankee]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Skip seems to have an obsession with the Blizzard case as shown by his scores of posts on the subject.......never mind what the courts have decided.Skip seems to know better.Hopefully,Skip never makes a mistake in his life.
Why not just leave it alone and let people heal a little.It was a mistake....a skrew up that anyone could have made.
I grew up on the lake and old timers that I talk to tell me that it could have happened to anyone at the right moment....even Skip.

Well said, Sam.

I have pretty much stayed away from this discussion, but you've hit a nerve. As another who grew up here, I know every nook and cranny of this lake as well as anyone. I admit that I made my share of mistakes on this lake in my youth, and look back at my younger days and realize the poor choices that I made and thank my lucky stars that I came through it mostly unscathed.

So I for one will cast no umbrage regarding this tragedy. I too tire of this play-by-play regardless how important some think that the legal precedents need to be publicised.


Has it really been that easy for so many of you to throw those stones?

[Jonas Pilot]

"So I for one will cast no umbrage regarding this tragedy. I too tire of this play-by-play regardless how important some think that the legal precedents need to be publicised."

What does umbrage mean?

[Yankee]

Originally Posted by Jonas Pilot

What does umbrage mean?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/umbrage

[Jonas Pilot]

Thanks. Now I understand. You threw me when you said cast.

[Skip]

As this case continues to unfold, and its ramifications spread throughout the boating community in the entire state, I will continue to post it's progress.

As Bear Islander stated, if you are disturbed by this case then my only advice is to avoid the threads I post in reference to case law generated by this crime.

I started this thread and politely asked that we keep it on the subject at hand, that being the determination if indeed the State will ultimately be able to suspend or revoke a "lifetime issued" boating safety certificate for Just Cause.

It is ultimately up to the webmaster to determine the worthiness of this or any subsequent thread in regards to this subject.

That said gentlemen, can we please keep this thread on subject?

Thank you in advance...

Skip

[VtSteve]

[gtagrip]

Originally Posted by Skip

As Bear Islander stated, if you are disturbed by this case then my only advice is to avoid the threads I post in reference to case law generated by this crime.
Skip

Where have I heard this before?

[XCR-700]

Originally Posted by Skip

As this case continues to unfold, and its ramifications spread throughout the boating community in the entire state, I will continue to post it's progress.

As Bear Islander stated, if you are disturbed by this case then my only advice is to avoid the threads I post in reference to case law generated by this crime.

I started this thread and politely asked that we keep it on the subject at hand, that being the determination if indeed the State will ultimately be able to suspend or revoke a "lifetime issued" boating safety certificate for Just Cause.

It is ultimately up to the webmaster to determine the worthiness of this or any subsequent thread in regards to this subject.

That said gentlemen, can we please keep this thread on subject?

Thank you in advance...

Skip

Hummm,,, Now lets see what were the comments I got recently,,,

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

Will this never end?

Originally Posted by CrawfordCentury

Ha! Since we're using this thread as a means of airing our grievances, I would like to express my utter dismay at this site's smileys selection. For example, this one would come in mighty handy on occasion

Originally Posted by Skip

Now we are bickering over bickering.

Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

You just don't get it!

Originally Posted by Kamper

No need to be repetive and redundant.

Originally Posted by trfour

Ever since this thread showed up out here, I've been reading along and just praying to God to keep my mouth shut!....

Originally Posted by Acres per Second

you probably haven't seen other Lakes Region forums regularly purge their entire Boating forums

Originally Posted by Blue Thunder

You've posted x times in this thread alone. I think you've made your point.......can we move on? Blue Thunder

Originally Posted by brk-lnt

Dude. Seriously. The opinions HAVE been heard. About 8000 times.

Originally Posted by Skipper of the Sea Que

Let's give this a rest and go moderately about our enjoyment of the lake and this web site. sliding off box of soap now...

Take your pick, as they all seem to fit!

[Yankee]

Originally Posted by Skip

That said gentlemen, can we please keep this thread on subject?

Thank you in advance...

Skip

No thank you required. I have, and did.

From the World English Dictionary:
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— n , pl -rums , -ra
1. a meeting or assembly for the open discussion of subjects of public interest
2. a medium for open discussion, such as a magazine
3. a public meeting place for open discussion
4. a court; tribunal
5. (in South Africa) a pressure group of leaders or representatives, esp Black leaders or representatives
6. (in ancient Italy) an open space, usually rectangular in shape, serving as a city's marketplace and centre of public business

So, am I to understand that anyone who has an opinion that differs from the OP of a thread (especially when the OP is skip) should not post in said thread? Other than a having a mutual cyber hand holding kumbaya moment, how would any discussion take place?

I'm not going to get into any banter here with those who disagree. THAT would be off-topic.

I will NOT not stop politely, respectfully, expressing my opinion to a topic in a public forum!

[NoBozo]

Originally Posted by Yankee

So, am I to understand that anyone who has an opinion that differs from the OP of a thread (especially when the OP is skip) should not post in said thread? !

YES: NO post. The rules are the rules. NB

[VtSteve]

I agree with Skip, this is an important issue to settle.

But at least a few on this board, Skip included, could possibly grit their teeth at past actions during other sermons. It's just not OK to tell everyone how to act or not act, and then expect different treatment elsewhere.

No offense Skip, but you earned this one because of the thread title. I like BI's suggestion, which was to turn the page if you don't like the content. It's too bad that rule only applies to some, and not all.

This was almost laughable, even though I agree totally with him on it.


Originally Posted by Skip
As Bear Islander stated, if you are disturbed by this case then my only advice is to avoid the threads I post in reference to case law generated by this crime.
Skip


So maybe some should get off that 20 foot high horse and take their own advice?

[secondcurve]

Originally Posted by SAMIAM

Skip seems to have an obsession with the Blizzard case as shown by his scores of posts on the subject.......never mind what the courts have decided.Skip seems to know better.Hopefully,Skip never makes a mistake in his life.
Why not just leave it alone and let people heal a little.It was a mistake....a skrew up that anyone could have made.
I grew up on the lake and old timers that I talk to tell me that it could have happened to anyone at the right moment....even Skip.

Sam:

I think Skip's record speaks for itself. This is an important issue. I for one hope the state has the authority to permanently revoke boating certificates in cases such as this and I am watching the outcome carefully. I also will note that this wasn't a youthful mistake and heavy alcohol was involved so I disagree with your conclusion that this was a screw up that could happen to anyone.

[MAXUM]

Originally Posted by secondcurve

Sam:

I think Skip's record speaks for itself. This is an important issue. I for one hope the state has the authority to permanently revoke boating certificates in cases such as this and I am watching the outcome carefully. I also will note that this wasn't a youthful mistake and heavy alcohol was involved so I disagree with your conclusion that this was a screw up that could happen to anyone.

I agree, can we please decouple the issue at hand which is revoking safety certs issued by the state and whatever case may have brought this issue to be argued by the court system. Good grief folks this is a legit thing to be following and certainly a great topic of discussion. I personally don't think that the details of the Blizzard case are relevant here, only to the point of what the courts may sight as justification for considering revoking said certificate which clearly the law suggests they have the authority to do.

This will be precedent setting for sure no matter what the court decides. Burying your head in the sand because this is "to controversial" to discuss is not going to stop a decision from being made.

I can see where this may go, since the section highlighted that addresses possibly revocation is vague, look for that to be possibly clarified to site specific circumstances where action can be taken.

[Skip]

Originally Posted by jrc

30 plus years ago (God I'm old) I tested this by getting three motor vehicle violations before my 16th birthday. They were on my drivers license when I got it.

Thanks for the personal confirmation...

Sorry for the circumstances.

Anyway, not only does NHDMV open a file for a New Hampshire resident regardless if they have a license, they do the same for out-of-State resdents.

Why is this important?

Many other States do not recognize a boating offense as a driving offense like has been recently ammended here in New Hampshire.

But if you are from out of State you must abide by NH rules while in NH. Therefore the boating offenses you may incur as a visitor to this fine State will reside in your NH folder. It is possible that you could retain enough points to eventually have your right to operate in NH suspended or revoked based in part or in whole on those violations. You could still be valid in your own or other States, but have lost your privilege here in NH.

Additionaly while your home State may not recognize boating offenses as driving offenses, they may reciprocate with NH when NH suspends your license in our State for boating points.

Yep, it gets pretty murky and adds further reason why this new aspect of the case bears close watching and eventual analysis.

And people sometimes woinder why we have so many attornies!