Laconia jobless/unemployed

[MAXUM]

That's what happens when socialism takes over. I work for one of the largest technology companies in the world, they are scrambling to get rid of as many people as they possibly can in the states, gee doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. Of course they are fooling themselves in believing these people being hired overseas are even close to the same caliber of those here in the US. I work with foreign software developers who are sloppy and have no clue about the very basics of engineering principals, but hey no worries, they are cheap and can be hired at a 5 to 1 ratio.

No offense, but seasonal jobs are the last thing that we should be worried about, they come and go. It's the good paying full time skilled industrial/technical private sector jobs whose permanent loss will have long term devastating effects. Never mind the loss of knowledge and innovation that once drove this county to it's technological pinnacle. Those are the ones we continue to hemorrhage at an alarming rate, and anyone who has the notion these will return with some sort of market resurgence is living a pipe dream. For those that recognize it, the liberals who are running the place are arrogantly pissing away the wealth, safety and well being of this country in the interest of social engineering, absolute control and redistribution of wealth. It's a beautiful thing if you're a communist. Sickening to those of us who know this leads to our ultimate demise.

[SteveA]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

For those that recognize it, the liberals who are running the place are arrogantly pissing away the wealth, safety and well being of this country in the interest of social engineering, absolute control and redistribution of wealth. It's a beautiful thing if you're a communist. Sickening to those of us who know this leads to our ultimate demise.

Am I missing something? Liberals didn't start the job loss, the corporate owned, union hating Reagan, Bush 1, the fake liberal Clinton, and Bush the Lesser started and continued this mess.

That renowned liberal Carly Fiorina (sp), took over HP, shipped all the jobs to China.

Do a google search "GE Jobs India" and thank that other famous liberal Jack Welch.

From 2004

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1016-02.htm

[Irish mist]

I have a friend who owns a medical device company in Massachusetts & he's going to move the whole thing off-shore because the taxes in the new so-called "health care" bill passed by DEMOCRATS makes it impossible to make a profit. Several hundred jobs gone forever.

[This'nThat]

Originally Posted by Irish mist

I have a friend who owns a medical device company in Massachusetts & he's going to move the whole thing off-shore because the taxes in the new so-called "health care" bill passed by DEMOCRATS makes it impossible to makes a profit. Several hundred jobs gone forever.

My company has a good health care plan for retirees. You get to keep everything you had as an employee -- but it will cost you more money than as an employee. So, for years I've saved up, intending to take advantage of this.

I was notified this week that the company will likely kill that retiree health plan due to the costs of Obamacare. The Company simply can't afford to put money towards my health care, as well as take on the extra burden of paying for the health care of others that don't work for the Company, as Obama is mandating. Something has to give -- and since I can't penalize my Company for dropping me, but Obama's IRS agents can penalize the Company for not paying for non-employees, then I'm the one that's going to be dropped.

Welcome to Socialism, Obama-style.

[Irish mist]

Originally Posted by This'nThat

My company has a good health care plan for retirees. You get to keep everything you had as an employee -- but it will cost you more money than as an employee. So, for years I've saved up, intending to take advantage of this.

I was notified this week that the company will likely kill that retiree health plan due to the costs of Obamacare. The Company simply can't afford to put money towards my health care, as well as take on the extra burden of paying for the health care of others that don't work for the Company, as Obama is mandating. Something has to give -- and since I can't penalize my Company for dropping me, but Obama's IRS agents can penalize the Company for not paying for non-employees, then I'm the one that's going to be dropped.

Welcome to Socialism, Obama-style.

Sorry to hear this. People are going to be really surprised at the chaos this plan is going to cause. This is just the start.....

[corollaman]

Originally Posted by Irish mist

Sorry to hear this. People are going to be really surprised at the chaos this plan is going to cause. This is just the start.....

We have had socialism since the 1930's,s tarting with Teddy Roosevelt's New Deal, then social security, then medicare in the 1960's. This new healthcare plan is pretty much just medicare for everybody, not just seniors.

[jmen24]

Originally Posted by corollaman

We have had socialism since the 1930's,s tarting with Teddy Roosevelt's New Deal, then social security, then medicare in the 1960's. This new healthcare plan is pretty much just medicare for everybody, not just seniors.

Check the history book's it was Ted's cousin that formed the "New Deal" Social security was apart of the new deal, this and some others were added at a later date.

[Several New Deal programs remain active, with some still operating under the original names, including the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), the Federal Crop Insurance Corporation (FCIC), the Federal Housing Administration (FHA), and the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA). The largest programs still in existence today are the Social Security System, Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC), and Fannie Mae.] Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Deal

Most others were released during the 1970's push for deregulation of the government.

We are just working our way back up the ladder, so we can all prosper!

If you thought that was socialism son, I would suggest some light reading on the topics of Marksizm, Progressive Movement, Socialism, etc. During the period from the 80's through the end of 90's, this country saw a huge amount of growth in private and public companies in all kinds of different sectors (mostly tech), that is not exactly the ideals of socialist reform.

We are getting closer everyday, kind of.

[jmen24]

Most, not all, but most of the Laconia prison jobs were transfered to other prisons in the state. While it helped someone at the Laconia prison keep their job it caused some at other prisons in different counties to get the boot. They did not have as much time in. I know of 4 people personnally that fell to this fate out of the Concord prison.

One thing to note about Coos county is the closing of Ethan Allen in VT, inpacted a great number of people as well. The timber industry will cause a spike in the rate in the next two months because of mud season, the cost to put in proper EPA safeguards to protect seasonal streams and wet spots is higher than shutting down for a few weeks, so a quick spike will happen in the March and April numbers, of course if the mills start cutting back orders that will cause some holding of the elevated rate into the summer months.

[Sunbeam lodge]

Originally Posted by jmen24

Most, not all, but most of the Laconia prison jobs were transfered to other prisons in the state. While it helped someone at the Laconia prison keep their job it caused some at other prisons in different counties to get the boot. They did not have as much time in. I know of 4 people personnally that fell to this fate out of the Concord prison.

One thing to note about Coos county is the closing of Ethan Allen in VT, inpacted a great number of people as well. The timber industry will cause a spike in the rate in the next two months because of mud season, the cost to put in proper EPA safeguards to protect seasonal streams and wet spots is higher than shutting down for a few weeks, so a quick spike will happen in the March and April numbers, of course if the mills start cutting back orders that will cause some holding of the elevated rate into the summer months.

I still see Canadian trucks on Route 93 heading North with lumber to be milled in Canada and then sent back to the U.S. More "Free Trade".

[SteveA]

Originally Posted by Irish mist

I have a friend who owns a medical device company in Massachusetts & he's going to move the whole thing off-shore because the taxes in the new so-called "health care" bill passed by DEMOCRATS makes it impossible to makes a profit. Several hundred jobs gone forever.

... to talk to these folks..

"Mike Frazzette, president of Smith & Nephew Endoscopy in Andover, Mass offered his own assessment “The reality is that we run a global business, and while the United States is our largest market, more than 60 percent of our business is outside of the U.S.” Mr. Frassette continued “The tax will certainly have a big impact, but it doesn’t stop the wheels of progress.”

In fact, the wheels of progress may actually be speeding up as a just released survey indicated 50% of Massachusetts medical device firms plan new hires.
“For the second consecutive quarter, medical device manufacturers remain optimistic about prospects for sales and employment growth in the coming year. Despite the passage of a new and burdensome federal excise tax on medical devices, companies are continuing to design innovative medical products and meet the unmet needs of the health care delivery system worldwide,” MassMedic President Tom Sommer said."

I have worked in the Medical Device Industry for 30+ years. The tax is not something we "like" on the surface. BUT... a Big BUT!

This bill, will bring into the market, 30 Plus Million newly insured customers. That's a good thing! Too bad your friend doesn't see that.

I suspect your friend is moving jobs out of the country for other reasons. Maybe the 39 cents per hour wages in China ? If that is the case... IMHO the tax isn't really the issue.

[Irish mist]

Originally Posted by SteveA

... to talk to these folks..

"Mike Frazzette, president of Smith & Nephew Endoscopy in Andover, Mass offered his own assessment “The reality is that we run a global business, and while the United States is our largest market, more than 60 percent of our business is outside of the U.S.” Mr. Frassette continued “The tax will certainly have a big impact, but it doesn’t stop the wheels of progress.”

In fact, the wheels of progress may actually be speeding up as a just released survey indicated 50% of Massachusetts medical device firms plan new hires.
“For the second consecutive quarter, medical device manufacturers remain optimistic about prospects for sales and employment growth in the coming year. Despite the passage of a new and burdensome federal excise tax on medical devices, companies are continuing to design innovative medical products and meet the unmet needs of the health care delivery system worldwide,” MassMedic President Tom Sommer said."

I have worked in the Medical Device Industry for 30+ years. The tax is not something we "like" on the surface. BUT... a Big BUT!

This bill, will bring into the market, 30 Plus Million newly insured customers. That's a good thing! Too bad your friend doesn't see that.

I suspect your friend is moving jobs out of the country for other reasons. Maybe the 39 cents per hour wages in China ? If that is the case... IMHO the tax isn't really the issue.

This move off-shore is not just because of the health care tax, but it's the final blow. He also has two manufacturing plants in other states that will also be closing if he goes through with this. He's not going to China. He's thinking of going to Ireland. The Irish are offering very good tax breaks. He's also thinking of just selling off the whole business, but I suspect that he would have had better luck doing that last year

[This'nThat]

Originally Posted by SteveA

This bill, will bring into the market, 30 Plus Million newly insured customers. That's a good thing! Too bad your friend doesn't see that.

I suspect your friend is moving jobs out of the country for other reasons. Maybe the 39 cents per hour wages in China ? If that is the case... IMHO the tax isn't really the issue.

This is rediculous! The 30 million newly insured customers will have their health insurance paid for by ---NEW TAXES. From me! Many of the 30 million will be designated by Obama as "needy"; and Obama will forceably redistribute my paycheck to them.

It's not the 39c/hour from China. It's all about the taxes. IMHO.

[Pepper]

Stop it! Stop it! Stop it! is NOT what this forum is about!!!!! The Webmaster has PLEADED REPEATEDLY for this political bickering to be taken elsewhere, as it does not belong on THIS forum. Please be respectful of his wishes (and the expressed wishes of a large majority of the members of this forum) and refrain from derailing the peaceful purpose of this wonderful and beloved forum!

Thank you!

[fatlazyless]

There's a good sized manufactoring building for sale now over on Hounsell Ave near the Laconia-Gilford border that had been the Freudenburg-NOK plant for making silicone injected-iso elastic automobile parts. I have no idea what a silicone injected-iso elastic car part is, but it kept about 130 people busy with jobs that paid maybe 18-22/hour. Fredenburg-NOK is a partnership between Freudenburg, a German company, and NOK, a Japanese company, and it grosses maybe a billion dollars/year. The 2008-2009 slowdown in automobile purchases was the reason for closing the plant due to lack of demand for their car parts.

That had to be a pretty big hit to the local Laconia employees who lost their jobs.

Another big Laconia job loss was the closing of the NH state prison in Laconia.

Where do you go now to find jobs like these in Laconia? Maybe everyone in the area can all go work for the city as City of Laconia employees, or Town of Meredith employees, or State of New Hampshire employees. or Belknap County employees?

A front page article in today's March 31 LaDaSun tells how the Sunoco gasoline/convenience store close to the high school, "Quikstop is latest Laconia convenience store to bite the dust", is closing due to lack of business. www.laconiadailysun.com

[BroadHopper]

also close their Franklin, NH and Bristol, NH plant as well. There was another plant in Rochester that made dashboard pads for automobiles. That is closed as well.

As for defense industry, the goverment is cutting back on defense spending, and consequently jobs. Halting the F22 project put 190,000 people out of work.

[Mat]

Yes, I think your missing that liberal democrats have been in control of congress for over 3 years now. Yes, that was during the last bush term.

Originally Posted by SteveA

Am I missing something? Liberals didn't start the job loss, the corporate owned, union hating Reagan, Bush 1, the fake liberal Clinton, and Bush the Lesser started and continued this mess.

That renowned liberal Carly Fiorina (sp), took over HP, shipped all the jobs to China.

Do a google search "GE Jobs India" and thank that other famous liberal Jack Welch.

From 2004

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1016-02.htm

[SteveA]

Originally Posted by Mat

Yes, I think your missing that liberal democrats have been in control of congress for over 3 years now. Yes, that was during the last bush term.

You don't really think this is a 3 year old problem, do you? Obama hadn't even slipped into Hawaii to change his birth certificate when the die was cast for the current job loss to China and India, Vietnam, Pakistan... and so on. (You would think he should have come up with a better name than Barrack Hussein Obama while he was phonying up the paperwork)

This process started with Regan and the "trickle down" (How did that work for you?) More like a "fire hose up" to corporations that then shipped jobs offshore to make even more money.

I'm a child of the 50's and 60's, my Dad was able too buy a house, put 4 kids thru college, and still have enough to pass on a good and comfortable nest egg for my Mom. Do you think that's possible now? Almost 100% of households need two jobs, are stacked with debt. Kids go home to an empty house and the credit cards they have are at 29%.

Answer this question... how does an insurance company make money? (and they are all reporting record profits)

Answer... find a way to deny coverage. Every claim they deny goes to their bottom line.

Pox on both the Donkeys and the Elephants, they line their pockets and retire millionaires.

PS.. please don't take this too seriously, I'm just having a little fun and trying to be like Fox News... "Fair and Balanced"

[Steveo]

Are you people dense!!! Cut this $%#@ out. Have some respect for the hard work Don does without you yahoos making it tougher on him

[Pineedles]

Originally Posted by SteveA

You don't really think this is a 3 year old problem, do you? Obama hadn't even slipped into Hawaii to change his birth certificate when the die was cast for the current job loss to China and India, Vietnam, Pakistan... and so on. (You would think he should have come up with a better name than Barrack Hussein Obama while he was phonying up the paperwork)

Pox on both the Donkeys and the Elephants, they line their pockets and retire millionaires.

PS.. please don't take this too seriously, I'm just having a little fun and trying to be like Fox News... "Fair and Balanced"

Come on everyone, take SteveA's comment with a grain of salt. Did you catch the wry humor of his reference to O's birth certificate search? The blame game gets us nowhere. Do what you think is right at the polls, and speak your mind on the issues on other forums, or in front of the elected officials that hold their office. Let's try to ease up on the acrimony here on www.Winnipesaukee.com.

And BTW Steveo, calling people dense doesn't help either, despite supporting Don!

[Steveo]

And BTW Steveo, calling people dense doesn't help either, despite supporting Don!

One definition of dense is " too thick to get through" After Pepper made a passionate plea, you all still kept politicizing. Then I said something and you kept going. That's "too thick to get through"

[Mat]

My point is, Liberal or conservative really means nothing to these politicians. Its all about getting re-elected. Anyone of these men and women would sell their soul to be re-elected and they spend most of their time doing just that. The lobbyist don't force them to take their deals, they make the choice themselves. They could say NO!

Originally Posted by SteveA

You don't really think this is a 3 year old problem, do you? Obama hadn't even slipped into Hawaii to change his birth certificate when the die was cast for the current job loss to China and India, Vietnam, Pakistan... and so on. (You would think he should have come up with a better name than Barrack Hussein Obama while he was phonying up the paperwork)

This process started with Regan and the "trickle down" (How did that work for you?) More like a "fire hose up" to corporations that then shipped jobs offshore to make even more money.

I'm a child of the 50's and 60's, my Dad was able too buy a house, put 4 kids thru college, and still have enough to pass on a good and comfortable nest egg for my Mom. Do you think that's possible now? Almost 100% of households need two jobs, are stacked with debt. Kids go home to an empty house and the credit cards they have are at 29%.

Answer this question... how does an insurance company make money? (and they are all reporting record profits)

Answer... find a way to deny coverage. Every claim they deny goes to their bottom line.

Pox on both the Donkeys and the Elephants, they line their pockets and retire millionaires.

PS.. please don't take this too seriously, I'm just having a little fun and trying to be like Fox News... "Fair and Balanced"

[SteveA]

You and I are in agreement. It was fun having a respectful disagreement with you!

[jetskier]

Originally Posted by MAXUM

That's what happens when socialism takes over. I work for one of the largest technology companies in the world, they are scrambling to get rid of as many people as they possibly can in the states, gee doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. Of course they are fooling themselves in believing these people being hired overseas are even close to the same caliber of those here in the US. I work with foreign software developers who are sloppy and have no clue about the very basics of engineering principals, but hey no worries, they are cheap and can be hired at a 5 to 1 ratio.

No offense, but seasonal jobs are the last thing that we should be worried about, they come and go. It's the good paying full time skilled industrial/technical private sector jobs whose permanent loss will have long term devastating effects. Never mind the loss of knowledge and innovation that once drove this county to it's technological pinnacle. Those are the ones we continue to hemorrhage at an alarming rate, and anyone who has the notion these will return with some sort of market resurgence is living a pipe dream. For those that recognize it, the liberals who are running the place are arrogantly pissing away the wealth, safety and well being of this country in the interest of social engineering, absolute control and redistribution of wealth. It's a beautiful thing if you're a communist. Sickening to those of us who know this leads to our ultimate demise.

We had a development facility in Shanghai (under my cover) and I closed it down. The average salary with all the benefits was about 1/2 of a US Engineer. I did an efficiency study and found that we were getting approximately 1/10 of the productivity of a US Engineer.

We do have a facility in Chennai and that is considerably better than Shanghai, but not up to domestic levels. We are hiring our top talent domestically and keeping mid to low end positions in India.

You are right that outsourcing has hit the North East, but I will tell you that the VC community is equally culpable. Early stage funding in New England is almost impossible to get. In Silicon Valley the VCs are extremely active and funding aggressively. They are looking for the next Google or Facebook.

We have a stellar board of top flight VCs and I get quite a bit of visibility into what they are doing. In contrast, I am a limited partner in a couple of local funds and it is abysmal.

If you don't sow the seeds, you can't harvest the crops.


Jetskier

[BroadHopper]

The defense industry served me well for 33 years. Two years ago, I experienced my first lay off. My campany is still in attrition stage.

The company changed hands three times in my career. Each change I see an erosion in my retirement benefits. I have not been able to find a steady job and will be forced into early retirement with a substantial penalty in my pension. I lost my medical benefits because there was a break in service.

On the other hand, my ex works as a court clerk for Mass. She has been seeing her retirement benefits increased through the years. Even though she earned a lot less then I do, her pension is better then mine! She also has paid medical! Lately Mass. been asking the state union for retiree concession and so far the union refused.

I read in the AARP journal that there are many folks like me forced into retirement. Early retirees are not included in the unemployed or underemployed numbers. So the perccentage is higher.