Braun Bay Rafting Bill

[Misty Blue]

Sorry, i'm not a lawyer...

Does this mean that rafting control has gone from the Kona area to the whole Braun Bay from long point to Far Echo?

Sounds to me if three 3 boat rafts are on the bay, anywhere people can't form more that three 2 boat rafts in kona.

Am I reading this right?

Misty Blue

[lawn psycho]

I contacted NHMP. Here are the official complaint numbers from Braun Bay last year. Hundreds of boats over the summer and 6 complaints (safe passage violation would not be Braun Bay specific IMO).

So essentially two residents complaining and Ms. Patten is trying to pass a state law to restrict access to Braun Bay, a very popular sandbar.

For the record, Ms Patten also did not contact or consult with the NHMP about this legislation. She also is a non-boater who "hasn't been on Braun Bay in a long time." Quote is from my phone conversation with her.

Directly from NHMP:
In response to your inquiry, I offer the following;

The Marine Patrol received 10 calls for service this past boating season for the Braun Bay area. One call was simply reporting a drifting boat after a windy evening. The other nine calls were as follows:

6 Rafting Violations/Noise Complaints (includes the report of an intoxicated person)

2 reports from boaters

4 complaints from residents. One resident was responsible for three of the calls.



2 Safe Passage Violations

1 from a boater reporting skiers too close to other boats

1 from resident reporting PWC activity too close to shore

1 Sea Plane Complaint (3 calls about this same incident, 1 boater and 2 nearby residents)

[chase1]

Her news proposal:
270:133 Braun Bay. No person shall form or allow the boat which he or she is operating or in charge of to be a member of a raft consisting of 3 or more boats in Braun Bay at any time when there are already 3 rafts consisting of 3 or more boats in Braun Bay. In this section, “raft” shall have the same meaning as in RSA 270:42, IV. Any person who violates this section shall be guilty of a violation.

Based on the current sign at Braun Bay we are already restricted from any rafts consisting of more than 2 boats, so a raft of 3 or more boats is currently restricted. If her bill passes as is can we have up 3 rafts consisting of 3 or more boats in Braun Bay......



Chase1

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by chase1

Her news proposal:
270:133 Braun Bay. No person shall form or allow the boat which he or she is operating or in charge of to be a member of a raft consisting of 3 or more boats in Braun Bay at any time when there are already 3 rafts consisting of 3 or more boats in Braun Bay. In this section, “raft” shall have the same meaning as in RSA 270:42, IV. Any person who violates this section shall be guilty of a violation.

Based on the current sign at Braun Bay we are already restricted from any rafts consisting of more than 2 boats, so a raft of 3 or more boats is currently restricted. If her bill passes as is can we have up 3 rafts consisting of 3 or more boats in Braun Bay......



Chase1

I got clarification from the NHMP today. Although there are many "bays" by common name on the lake, none of them have an official delineation mark as to where they begin and end. Her bill, if it were to pass, would be 100% unenforceable.

I can also tell you that NHMP stated that they do not support the bill as written and they were never consulted on the language in which it was drafted.

However, during my discussion with Ms Patten that her bill would be ineffective, she indicated her goal is to reduce the number of boats in the bay and she would amend the bill if necessary.

I actually almost didn't want to bring this up as if a legislator is too lazy/dumb as to draft an ineffective bill, it deserves to get killed in a committee and let them chew on it for another year.

If you are sitting on the sidelines, you better start writing and calling your legislator before you're impacted. It takes 5 minutes of your time.

[Pineedles]

Originally Posted by lawn psycho

I got clarification from the NHMP today. Although there are many "bays" by common name on the lake, none of them have an official delineation mark as to where they begin and end. Her bill, if it were to pass, would be 100% unenforceable.

I can also tell you that NHMP stated that they do not support the bill as written and they were never consulted on the language in which it was drafted.

However, during my discussion with Ms Patten that her bill would be ineffective, she indicated her goal is to reduce the number of boats in the bay and she would amend the bill if necessary.

I actually almost didn't want to bring this up as if a legislator is too lazy/dumb as to draft an ineffective bill, it deserves to get killed in a committee and let them chew on it for another year.

If you are sitting on the sidelines, you better start writing and calling your legislator before you're impacted. It takes 5 minutes of your time.

I think you have given Ms. Patten her own personal government epitaph. "too lazy/dumb" to do the people's work well! Ms. Patten, YOU ARE A LOSER and need to resign, because you don't have a clue of what a People's representative is all about! I vote for lazy, as you obviously didn't talk to too many people about this issue!

[lawn psycho]

So this bill is being heard by the Resources, Recreation, & Development committee.

See here: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/hous....aspx?code=H22

Here is the email to the entire committee:
HouseResourcesRecreationandDevelopme....state.n h.us

As always, let your voice be heard or be willing to suffer the consequences of complacency.

[Descant]

As a member of the RR & D Committee, I have not received any emails on this bill (HB1466). To address everybody on the committee requires a "~" as the first character in the address.

[email protected]. nh.us
This bill has not been scheduled yet, only assigned to the RR & D Committee.

Be sure your email includes your address, and Winnipesaukee connection, not just your name.

Rep. Chris Christensen
Hillsborough Dist 19
Merrimack, NH

[lawn psycho]

Chris, thank you for the heads-up. I sent a very detailed email to the committee and it did not get bounced back so I am very suprised to hear that you have not received any correspondence.

I will send it again.

[TomC]

I received this notice when i tried to send an email to the commitee:

"This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed."

[email protected]. nh.us

Update: The space in the address caused the failure since the domain would not be recognized. I cut/pasted the address directly from Descant's email, so anyone else who does that must delete the space

[Lakepilot]

Originally Posted by TomC

I received this notice when i tried to send an email to the commitee:

"This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. Delivery to the following recipients failed."

[email protected]. nh.us

Could it be the space before nh.us

[Descant]

I have received two emails so far. One on each side of the issue. Presumably the rest of the committee has received these as well.

I cannot explain a "space" in the committee address since I cut and pasted the address from the NH.gov web site.

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by Descant

I have received two emails so far. One on each side of the issue. Presumably the rest of the committee has received these as well.

I cannot explain a "space" in the committee address since I cut and pasted the address from the NH.gov web site.

Chris, can you state your view on this issue?

[lawn psycho]

Originally Posted by Misty Blue

Sorry, i'm not a lawyer...

Does this mean that rafting control has gone from the Kona area to the whole Braun Bay from long point to Far Echo?

Sounds to me if three 3 boat rafts are on the bay, anywhere people can't form more that three 2 boat rafts in kona.

Am I reading this right?

Misty Blue

I am not sure what the official delineation mark would be for Braun Bay. NHMP would have to declare some kind of marker as the boundary or enforcement could get sticky real fast.

You need to contact her and let her know your stance on this issue.