a SIGN of things to come.... Braun Bay

Airwaves · 12-12-2009, 05:52 PM

I don't understand how this changes anything. Doesn't current rafting laws restrict the number of boats in a raft to two or three anyway? What am I missing or has she just not read the current law?

tis · 12-12-2009, 08:31 PM

I don't think so Airwaves. I think if there is a no rafting zone, you can only tie two boats together. If it is not restricted I believe you can tie as many boats as you want together.

Airwaves · 12-12-2009, 10:43 PM

So her proposal would limit Braun Bay to only three "rafting" groups after that no more than two boats can tie up together anywhere in the bay?

How does she propose to identify the first three rafts before all others are illegal?

I'm guessing this is another law the Marine Patrol did NOT ask for!!!

tis · 12-13-2009, 09:13 AM

MP, just comes around and if there are more than 2 they tell them. I don't know how often they warn them as opposed to giving them a ticket. But I have seen MP go over to them. I think the last couple of years that has been one of the things they really watch for.

BroadHopper · 12-13-2009, 11:54 AM

And that is, Who was there first and who are the real violators?

Many times I would be one of the first ones there and anchor well away from others. I will have my 3 daughters family and four grandkids. Your typical family with no loud noise except for kids squealing.

Others will come in and become disrespectful and raft or anchor within 25 feet. Guess what, I will be the one asked to move or get out. Some of the other boaters will tell the MP, you got the wrong guy. It doesn't matter, once they single someone out, that guy is gone.

So, how are the going to determine the good from the bad if they pass this law? Post an MP on Braun Bay all day? I'd rather have them going after the 'boneheads'.

Bucktail · 12-13-2009, 05:36 PM

I believe the intent is to limit the capacity of the bay to 3 rafts, consisting of three or less vessels and after that, no more more rafts period, irrespective of number of vessels.

The hardest question to answer in this posted by Broad hopper, Who has to move when a person arrives first and is outside the prescribed distance? I suppose a call to MP could establish you were there first when they come to crack down or you could try to explain the law to the encroacher and risk altercation ....

The bay is already a designated no rafting zone on the charts, here is the regulation currently on the books and is a part of the Boaters Safety course:

Rafting in New Hampshire

Raft is defined as "any group of two or more boats which are stationary upon the waters of a lake or pond and which are congregated together, whether anchored, secured to one another, or adrift, provided that at least one of the boats in the group is occupied." Rafting is "forming or being a member of a raft."

* There are designated locations where, and times during which, the size of rafts is limited and a minimum distance is required between boats and rafts.
* Currently, there are rafting restrictions in certain locations on Lake Winnipesaukee, Lake Sunapee, and Ossipee Lake.
* No one in a prohibited location or at a prohibited time may:
o Form or allow a boat, which you are operating or in charge of, to join a raft consisting of three or more boats.
o Form or allow a boat, which you are operating or in charge of, to join a raft if any part of such raft is less than 50 feet from any other raft or less than 50 feet from any occupied single boat that is stationary on the waters of the same lake or pond.
o Anchor a single boat and cause it to remain stationary on the waters of a lake or pond, other than momentarily, if any part of such boat is less than 50 feet away from any raft or less than 25 feet away from any other single boat which is stationary on the waters of such lake or pond.
* Exceptions to the rafting restrictions are:
o Boats anchored or moored at marinas, yacht clubs, or private docks with the owner's permission
o Boats involved in or attending a fireworks display, marine events, or other designated public events
o Boats on any body of water of less than 400 acres or on any estuary or tidal waters of the state

Airwaves · 12-13-2009, 06:01 PM

Quote:

The bay is already a designated no rafting zone on the charts, here is the regulation currently on the books and is a part of the Boaters Safety course:

It is? It seems to me that there is no rafting near the fish and game lines and within 75 feet of shore. Unless Braun Bay is much smaller than I thought!

Quote:

http://www.nh.gov/safety/divisions/s...estricted.html
SAF-C 407.03 - Rafting as defined in RSA 2760:42 V shall be prohibited in the following areas of Lake Winnipesaukee unless covered by one of the exceptions specified inRSA 270:45:
(4) Braun Bay - There shall be no rafting within 300 feet of both fish and game property lines as delineated by Marine Patrol with orange mooring balls.

(5) Braun Bay at a distance less than 75 feet from shore lines as delineated by Marine Patrol with orange mooring balls.

Bucktail · 12-13-2009, 07:15 PM

I see what you mean, I had not seen that reg. I just checked two charts, and they both designate Braun Bay as being the area west of Glines Island to Kona Point. Yet the no rafting area is limited to the 'Sand Bar'area, perhaps this expands that definition and no rafting zone.

Any thoughts?

ApS · 12-14-2009, 07:50 AM

Looking north, this is an aerial view of Braun Bay:

That's Gilnes Island in the lower-right quadrant of the photo. The questioned area of Braun Bay is opposite—10-o'clock to the left. Hermit Cove is just behind (north of) Gilnes Island, with a rather indistinct Hermit Island nestled in it.

(Lettering—or something—appears to have been photoshopped from the lower right corner).

At present, all I have available is a Lake Winnipesaukee chart from 1987.

On it, Duncan shows just two rafting zones on all of Lake Winnipesaukee!
(Wentworth Cove south of Governor's Island, and a large, west-facing shoreline on Long Island).

The probl...issue of rafting appears to have been generated within the last 20 years or so.

I still don't understand why boaters in the area would comprise most of the complainants. Could NH Fish & Game be a part of the complaints?

12-13-2009, 11:54 AM	#5
BroadHopper Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Laconia NH Posts: 5,667 Thanks: 3,282 Thanked 1,132 Times in 814 Posts	MP has a problem. And that is, Who was there first and who are the real violators? Many times I would be one of the first ones there and anchor well away from others. I will have my 3 daughters family and four grandkids. Your typical family with no loud noise except for kids squealing. Others will come in and become disrespectful and raft or anchor within 25 feet. Guess what, I will be the one asked to move or get out. Some of the other boaters will tell the MP, you got the wrong guy. It doesn't matter, once they single someone out, that guy is gone. So, how are the going to determine the good from the bad if they pass this law? Post an MP on Braun Bay all day? I'd rather have them going after the 'boneheads'. __________________ Someday may never be an actual day.

12-13-2009, 05:36 PM	#6
Bucktail Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 7 Thanked 24 Times in 4 Posts	Pending Legislation I believe the intent is to limit the capacity of the bay to 3 rafts, consisting of three or less vessels and after that, no more more rafts period, irrespective of number of vessels. The hardest question to answer in this posted by Broad hopper, Who has to move when a person arrives first and is outside the prescribed distance? I suppose a call to MP could establish you were there first when they come to crack down or you could try to explain the law to the encroacher and risk altercation .... The bay is already a designated no rafting zone on the charts, here is the regulation currently on the books and is a part of the Boaters Safety course: Rafting in New Hampshire Raft is defined as "any group of two or more boats which are stationary upon the waters of a lake or pond and which are congregated together, whether anchored, secured to one another, or adrift, provided that at least one of the boats in the group is occupied." Rafting is "forming or being a member of a raft." * There are designated locations where, and times during which, the size of rafts is limited and a minimum distance is required between boats and rafts. * Currently, there are rafting restrictions in certain locations on Lake Winnipesaukee, Lake Sunapee, and Ossipee Lake. * No one in a prohibited location or at a prohibited time may: o Form or allow a boat, which you are operating or in charge of, to join a raft consisting of three or more boats. o Form or allow a boat, which you are operating or in charge of, to join a raft if any part of such raft is less than 50 feet from any other raft or less than 50 feet from any occupied single boat that is stationary on the waters of the same lake or pond. o Anchor a single boat and cause it to remain stationary on the waters of a lake or pond, other than momentarily, if any part of such boat is less than 50 feet away from any raft or less than 25 feet away from any other single boat which is stationary on the waters of such lake or pond. * Exceptions to the rafting restrictions are: o Boats anchored or moored at marinas, yacht clubs, or private docks with the owner's permission o Boats involved in or attending a fireworks display, marine events, or other designated public events o Boats on any body of water of less than 400 acres or on any estuary or tidal waters of the state

12-13-2009, 07:15 PM	#8
Bucktail Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 26 Thanks: 7 Thanked 24 Times in 4 Posts	Good Point I see what you mean, I had not seen that reg. I just checked two charts, and they both designate Braun Bay as being the area west of Glines Island to Kona Point. Yet the no rafting area is limited to the 'Sand Bar'area, perhaps this expands that definition and no rafting zone. Any thoughts?

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12-12-2009, 05:52 PM	#1
Airwaves Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: I'm right here! Posts: 1,153 Thanks: 9 Thanked 102 Times in 37 Posts	I don't understand how this changes anything. Doesn't current rafting laws restrict the number of boats in a raft to two or three anyway? What am I missing or has she just not read the current law?

12-12-2009, 08:31 PM	#2
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,945 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts	I don't think so Airwaves. I think if there is a no rafting zone, you can only tie two boats together. If it is not restricted I believe you can tie as many boats as you want together.

12-12-2009, 10:43 PM	#3
Airwaves Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: I'm right here! Posts: 1,153 Thanks: 9 Thanked 102 Times in 37 Posts	So her proposal would limit Braun Bay to only three "rafting" groups after that no more than two boats can tie up together anywhere in the bay? How does she propose to identify the first three rafts before all others are illegal? I'm guessing this is another law the Marine Patrol did NOT ask for!!!

12-13-2009, 09:13 AM	#4
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,945 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts	MP, just comes around and if there are more than 2 they tell them. I don't know how often they warn them as opposed to giving them a ticket. But I have seen MP go over to them. I think the last couple of years that has been one of the things they really watch for.

12-14-2009, 07:50 AM	#9
ApS Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida (Sebring & Keys), Wolfeboro Posts: 6,028 Thanks: 2,285 Thanked 789 Times in 564 Posts	Looking north, this is an aerial view of Braun Bay: That's Gilnes Island in the lower-right quadrant of the photo. The questioned area of Braun Bay is opposite—10-o'clock to the left. Hermit Cove is just behind (north of) Gilnes Island, with a rather indistinct Hermit Island nestled in it. (Lettering—or something—appears to have been photoshopped from the lower right corner). At present, all I have available is a Lake Winnipesaukee chart from 1987. On it, Duncan shows just two rafting zones on all of Lake Winnipesaukee! (Wentworth Cove south of Governor's Island, and a large, west-facing shoreline on Long Island). The probl...issue of rafting appears to have been generated within the last 20 years or so. I still don't understand why boaters in the area would comprise most of the complainants. Could NH Fish & Game be a part of the complaints?