Sill Replacement

jmen24 · 09-30-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Yosemite Sam

I have built a few decks in my time but have never cut the sheathing where the ledger board connects to it. I guess I'll have to think that one over for while.
Your other advice is excellent!!

I have to agree that I have never heard of or seen sheathing being cut back for a ledger attachment. I would also caution against flashing under the sheathing and over your ledger as you expose the end cuts on the plywood sheathing. You want flash between the siding and the sheathing as the diagram above shows.

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Originally Posted by DEJ

Good points jmen24 however in this day and age most everything we throw away is recycled in one way or another. Trex and similar products will not be put in landfills as their recycle value is to high which is a good thing.

Trex just like the plastic and wood fiber it is made from initially will simply be reprocessed and made into other products, not put in landfills, it is to valuable to do so. That is what is so great about this/these products, they can and are reprocessed so that they do not end up in our landfills for eternity.

Pressure treated lumber I agree is a thing of the past or will be so very soon. I hope the NH DEP will soon outlaw it's use for decks and walkways as it appears there are some who do not realize the harm they are doing to our environment with the use of this product.

But as of today there is no feasable way to recycle these materials, that I know of (if you know of a place, please let me know as it is important to expand the horizons), so we are at a hope and pray we find a use and a way to deal with them. You still will be very limited with what you could do with them as the wood fiber is a deal breaker when it comes to making new plastic materials.

DEJ · 09-30-2009, 03:25 PM

Here ya go.

http://www.ebuild.com/articles/554009.hwx

tis · 09-30-2009, 06:59 PM

I would never ever use wood again, but only use Azek for a deck. It isn't totally care free, but mostly.
The joists of course have to be wood so PT is a good choice as although it won't last forever, it lasts a lot longer. It is no longer made with arsenic so is much safer. The 2xs cannot be used on the ground as they have a .25 retention, but the 4xs can, as they have a .40 retention.

jmen24 · 09-30-2009, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DEJ

Here ya go.

http://www.ebuild.com/articles/554009.hwx

Thank you very much, I have learned quite a bit from this forum and this is another item on the list.

I will have to do some research as it does not exactly say what it gets recycled into, but thanks again for the info.

tis · 09-30-2009, 07:32 PM

We used Correct Deck on part of the dock and because it has wood fibers in it it mildew-ed. And people don't like it because of that problem. They came out with a new one, I believe it was called CX which didn't have the wood fibers but that faded. They had a lot of lawsuits and have filed bankruptcy and been bought out by someone. Just be careful with the Correct Deck and check it out thoroughly as it does have issues.
We have used different kinds over the years and I like them ALL above the wood for the deck surface.

gf2020 · 09-30-2009, 11:40 PM

Anybody notice that this thread was originally from two years ago? I suspect secondcurve may have had his problem fixed by now.

VitaBene · 10-01-2009, 02:30 AM

The thread was revived by BigLake having a similar problem on 9-28-09. He/she did the right thing, searched for sill replacement, found this thread and asked about a Moultonborough contractor.

Regardless of how it was pulled back up it has caused a lot of good conversation and discussion. I know I have learned a few things.

jmen24 · 10-01-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by tis

We used Correct Deck on part of the dock and because it has wood fibers in it it mildew-ed. And people don't like it because of that problem. They came out with a new one, I believe it was called CX which didn't have the wood fibers but that faded. They had a lot of lawsuits and have filed bankruptcy and been bought out by someone. Just be careful with the Correct Deck and check it out thoroughly as it does have issues.
We have used different kinds over the years and I like them ALL above the wood for the deck surface.

We stopped using correct deck about two years ago after they went to the new CX product. It is hard to get a customer to buy a product that you (the contractor) think is not attractive and hard to work with. The railing systems are not even worth the hassle and they look terrible when completed. The one and only installation of the CX product we did, we noticed that in the morning dew, that deck was like a skating rink, because of the anti-microbial coating on the decking. It just looks fake. Composites in our minds are just not worth the additional cost, when compared to a decking material like Cambara (which is quite a bit cheaper in cost) there is no comparison, and you know what, it really is not that hard to apply a coat of UV protector every two years to keep it looking good or you could let it grey and it still looks good.

Tis, in your case, over the water, the composites are the way to go, no splinters in bare feet. The mildew in the original correct deck was a big problem, but they made things worse by switching to the CX product that looks completely fake, its like they just threw their hands up and said "oh well"

tis · 10-01-2009, 01:43 PM

I totally agree with you on the Correct Deck, jmen. However, we had cambara once and I didn't like it at all after a few years. Now that deck has been Azek for about three years now and I love it. We had three different kinds on the docks, I can't remember all of them and some were better than others. One was hot on your feet, so we bought one with the wood fibers, and that mildewed. THe other one was pretty good! Must have been Azek!

trfour · 10-01-2009, 09:29 PM

but some very good info...

Other great products for decking on the Lake and or ocean front. Veranda Decking & Railing Systems. Radius edge deck board with reversible finish. Moulded on one side; and embossed, wood-grain on the other for a nonskid application in wet areas, wheelchair access etc.
Note; as with any material being used for decking where moisture is prevalent, where there is heavy shading or where pollen and debris are allowed to collect, mold may form. In most cases, soap and water will maintain the appearance of Veranda. If grime, ground in dirt or rust marks become a problem, use Behr NO. 62 wood cleaner brightener Conditioner.
To eliminate mold, use Behr No. 62 multy Surface Cleaner and mildew Stain Remover.

http://www.verandadeck.com/decking/literature.htm

Some friends here in the lakes Region have had very good luck with this decking.

10-01-2009, 02:30 AM	#7
VitaBene Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Moultonborough Posts: 3,644 Thanks: 1,718 Thanked 1,662 Times in 861 Posts	You need to look again The thread was revived by BigLake having a similar problem on 9-28-09. He/she did the right thing, searched for sill replacement, found this thread and asked about a Moultonborough contractor. Regardless of how it was pulled back up it has caused a lot of good conversation and discussion. I know I have learned a few things.

10-01-2009, 09:29 PM	#10
trfour Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lakes, Central NH. and Dallas/Fort Worth TX. Posts: 3,694 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 3,067 Thanked 472 Times in 236 Posts	An Old Thread.... but some very good info... Other great products for decking on the Lake and or ocean front. Veranda Decking & Railing Systems. Radius edge deck board with reversible finish. Moulded on one side; and embossed, wood-grain on the other for a nonskid application in wet areas, wheelchair access etc. Note; as with any material being used for decking where moisture is prevalent, where there is heavy shading or where pollen and debris are allowed to collect, mold may form. In most cases, soap and water will maintain the appearance of Veranda. If grime, ground in dirt or rust marks become a problem, use Behr NO. 62 wood cleaner brightener Conditioner. To eliminate mold, use Behr No. 62 multy Surface Cleaner and mildew Stain Remover. http://www.verandadeck.com/decking/literature.htm Some friends here in the lakes Region have had very good luck with this decking. __________________ *trfour* Always Remember, The Best Safety Device In The Boat, or on a PWC Snowmobile etc., Is YOU! Safe sledding tips and much more; http://www.snowmobile.org/snowmobiling-safety.html

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09-30-2009, 03:25 PM	#2
DEJ Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 560 Thanks: 526 Thanked 326 Times in 159 Posts	Here ya go. http://www.ebuild.com/articles/554009.hwx

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09-30-2009, 06:59 PM	#3
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,946 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts	I would never ever use wood again, but only use Azek for a deck. It isn't totally care free, but mostly. The joists of course have to be wood so PT is a good choice as although it won't last forever, it lasts a lot longer. It is no longer made with arsenic so is much safer. The 2xs cannot be used on the ground as they have a .25 retention, but the 4xs can, as they have a .40 retention.

09-30-2009, 07:32 PM	#5
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,946 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts	We used Correct Deck on part of the dock and because it has wood fibers in it it mildew-ed. And people don't like it because of that problem. They came out with a new one, I believe it was called CX which didn't have the wood fibers but that faded. They had a lot of lawsuits and have filed bankruptcy and been bought out by someone. Just be careful with the Correct Deck and check it out thoroughly as it does have issues. We have used different kinds over the years and I like them ALL above the wood for the deck surface.

09-30-2009, 11:40 PM	#6
gf2020 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: North of Boston Posts: 203 Thanks: 11 Thanked 35 Times in 28 Posts	Anybody notice that this thread was originally from two years ago? I suspect secondcurve may have had his problem fixed by now.

10-01-2009, 01:43 PM	#9
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,946 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts	I totally agree with you on the Correct Deck, jmen. However, we had cambara once and I didn't like it at all after a few years. Now that deck has been Azek for about three years now and I love it. We had three different kinds on the docks, I can't remember all of them and some were better than others. One was hot on your feet, so we bought one with the wood fibers, and that mildewed. THe other one was pretty good! Must have been Azek!