Minimum Planing Speed

[Island Girl]

Originally Posted by elchase

This is as a classic, but it is typical. This shows the criminal mentatility we are dealing with in this forum. If I was moderating and a guy posted something like this on my forum I'd throw him off for life and report him to the police. Just don't call anyone a "chump" or parse their quotes, because those "uncivilities" violate forum rules. But we can organize a harassment parade to his home and that is not "uncivil", as long as we just say afterward that we were just kidding...your next message will say "we were just razzing you". Ya, right. "Chumps" was too nice a word...You guys are a bunch of thugs.

Let's have a poll...how many of the opposers on this forum are felons?

Elchase, I take exception to you calling a long time and well respected member of this and another forum a thug. When you have been around here a while you will figure out the outstanding humor and sincerity and caring from most of our members. Each of us has a personality online that others have come to appreciate. This cannot be discerned from being here a short time.

Hazelnut is one of my favorite posters with a great sense of humor. Please take your nastiness elsewhere.

IG

[Kamper]

About 15mph (GPS), '83 Starcraft SSC150 (15.5 ft) 40HP Merc

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Island Girl

Elchase, I take exception to you calling a long time and well respected member of this and another forum a thug. When you have been around here a while you will figure out the outstanding humor and sincerity and caring from most of our members. Each of us has a personality online that others have come to appreciate. This cannot be discerned from being here a short time.

Hazelnut is one of my favorite posters with a great sense of humor. Please take your nastiness elsewhere.

IG

IG,

Thanks so much! Almost brought a tear to my eye. *sniff* *sniff*

I have gone back and re-read my post and I guess if I were overly sensitive I would take it as a threat. Really though if you know me you'd know that was not the intention of the post. It's the old saying: "If I have to explain it, it aint' funny."
The funny thing is though it got such a rise and reaction out of that particular individual that I felt like the post worked better than I had planned. The person unknowingly admitted that it would be just about criminal for people to drive by someone's house obeying a nighttime speed limit that they propose (I.E. 16-18 MPH).

The real issue here that the opposition fails to recognize is that many boats on the lake cause real shoreline damage when cruising at or below 20 MPH. Many boats have a difficult time maintaining adequate steerage below 25 MPH.

Another side affect of the law is that you now have many nighttime captains with their heads buried in their speedometers fretting over their speed. We have taken the decision away from the captain as to how he or she operates his or her vessel reasonably at night. I for one have caught myself at night and said to myself "OH SHOOT, Speed Limit." Then I find myself obsessing over a few measly miles per hour. Why? I rarely traveled faster than 35 MPH at night. 30-32 It is an optimal speed for my boat day or night. So now I have to temper that down a bit and it is an extra effort that distracts me from the many many other tasks related to safe operation at night.

About Me: I have been driving on this lake for over 28 years, day AND night. This year was the least enjoyable year for me at night. My boat is a 248LS Monterey Bow Rider. Max Speed 50.1 with a strong tailwind, half tank of fuel, and 2 Passengers. Realistically the boat does 47MPH according to the GPS. I will most likely own this boat for the next 10+ years.

I am on record supporting a compromise. I stand by that position. It seems that non-boating lawmakers are making these arbitrary laws using numbers pulled out of the sky. I really wish the legislature would assemble a study group comprised of individuals representing all pursuits. I wish these people could assemble and logically discuss all facts and remove the emotion from the discussion. They could remove the words "afraid" and "scared" from the discussion. Replace those words with "reasonable" and "prudent." Perhaps all sides could be heard and boaters could explain why certain numbers don't work at certain times. Maybe just maybe a compromise could be reached and all sides could have input.

Unfortunately lawmakers don't work that way. Most create bills and subsequent laws solely for the purpose of press coverage and notoriety.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by Island Girl

Elchase, I take exception to you calling a long time and well respected member of this and another forum a thug. When you have been around here a while you will figure out the outstanding humor and sincerity and caring from most of our members. Each of us has a personality online that others have come to appreciate. This cannot be discerned from being here a short time.

Hazelnut is one of my favorite posters with a great sense of humor. Please take your nastiness elsewhere.

IG

It's not nastiness, it's concern for some of the threatening/intimidating postures seen on this forum, other forums, and outside of the cyberworld. I agree with others that Hazelnut is one of the more egregious offenders here and I suspect he was one of the people as well whom Don was referring to as badgering the SL supporters so that they would leave the forum. He may be one of your favorite posters but he needs to deal with some of the above issues.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

It's not nastiness, it's concern for some of the threatening/intimidating postures seen on this forum, other forums, and outside of the cyberworld. I agree with others that Hazelnut is one of the more egregious offenders here and I suspect he was one of the people as well whom Don was referring to as badgering the SL supporters so that they would leave the forum. He may be one of your favorite posters but he needs to deal with some of the above issues.

Nope. As a matter of fact Don and I emailed back and forth this summer and I received some nice words from him:

"I don't think I've ever had any problems with your posts and I appreciate your contributions."

and

"Join us on the ForumFest cruise and introduce yourself."

Sorry I couldn't make it Don.

Please don't lump me in with those individuals (if they even exist) that as you said make:
"threatening/intimidating postures seen on this forum, other forums, and outside of the cyberworld."

I could argue slander here but I won't. I'm a big boy, I can take it.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

I could argue slander here but I won't. I'm a big boy, I can take it.

I'm sure you won't...especially if you go back and reread some of your posts to people whom you disagree with!

[VtSteve]

I think most people can judge for themselves who means well and who probably does not. The statements by El indicate that he is a professional troublemaker. His attacks on people here that I consider to be high quality, regardless of their positions on any subject, are despicable.

There have been some very civil, thoughtful, and constructive threads and posts this year since Don graciously opened the forums up again. There are only three people that set out to destroy the discussions. Failing that, they directly attack those that have been constructive. I admit, they are good at it, possibly all they are good at.

Bottom line, there are some great people here. Hazelnut is one of them. We pretty much know where everyone stands, and it's great hearing new opinions and ideas. It's not so great hearing from nasty people. I'm sure most readings understand the irony of these people's posts. Time to ignore them. Without an audience, they wither on the vine.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

I'm sure you won't...especially if you go back and reread some of your posts to people whom you disagree with!

Well I know I never called anyone a "Thug" or a "Criminal", or accused them of salacious or unsavory actions though.

That doesn't matter to you though I'm sure.

[VitaBene]

Sunset, remember when I sent you the nice PMs because you were concerned about my fitness (due to my posting about restaurants)? Were they threatening or thuggish??

I am still waiting for the answer but will not lose any sleep over it.

[sunset on the dock]

Originally Posted by VitaBene

Sunset, remember when I sent you the nice PMs because you were concerned about my fitness (due to my posting about restaurants)? Were they threatening or thuggish??

I am still waiting for the answer but will not lose any sleep over it.

I did get your PM but on many levels meeting anonymous men to work out with strikes me as unwise and is not my cup of tea. I'm sure your intentions are good. And no more PM's please.

[VitaBene]

Originally Posted by sunset on the dock

I did get your PM but on many levels meeting anonymous men to work out with strikes me as unwise and is not my cup of tea. I'm sure your intentions are good. And no more PM's please.

I guess the types of gym you frequent are different than the one I do- The Fitness Edge in Meredith.

For the others that may be interested, this is what I sent (and when I temporarily changed my signature to Eatebene, always flying the dinner being served banner)to ElC early on in the SL debate this summer:

So you decided to throw your two cents in on a boat thread by essentially calling my fitness into question because I post about restaurants from time to time. I responded, but alas, no comment back from you. I let it sit for a few days before I resorted to a PM, but I am really not surprised because it is obvious you are a troll also.

My offer stands- let me know when you want to work out with me.

Thanks to you and TB for the new nickname and signature ideas, BTW I liked it so much that I adopted it.

Just so you know, this week was low key from a restaurant standpoint- we ate in mostly but we did try the North Shore drive-in.

[VitaBene]

Eclchase,

I choose to believe that everyone that posts here individually and is not a multi-nicker.

It is too bad that you chose to stop posting (bet you still be reading) but if you contributed anything to this forum outside of a debate on the SL, then I would say you would be missed. I find it laughable that you don't know that Don is the Owner and Admin of this site. How could you miss this thread http://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums/...ead.php?t=8386if you cared at all about this place?

Your delusional lumping of SL opponents first as one type of boat owner and then some group of thugs and scofflaws showed me that regardless of whatever argument was presented to you, you were not listening.

Here is what I think- there will be a speed limit on this lake, it may very well be as it stands. It will hardly matter to any of us "thugs" due to the types of boats we own or how we boat. It will rarely be enforced or will be enforced as inconsistently as the the two major rules that the "scofflaws" want to see enforced- the 150' rule and stand on, give way.

Good day