Has anyone else noticed verbal attacks by some on others who post opinions?

[Rose]

It happens on occasion with new people who post opinions in the restaurant forum. After a while, you can forecast when it will happen and who will make comments. Only you can decide if it's worth your time to put up with it. I know I've taken a break from the forum when the general attitude turns so negative that I feel I'm about to follow suit.

[JDeere]

Rose nailed the response! Good job!

[LovelyToSeeYou]

I have never been to VK for breakfast only lunch and mostly dinner. It used to have long lines out the door but this summer the times that I went (mostly in the middle of the week) there were no lines at all. I can assure that I go with neighbors and friends and we all noticed this. However, the food is good there and the swordfish has been delicious. I had had a problem with the chicken parm being a smaller portion and some other offering being smaller as well. However I simply asked if anyone else had any thoughts on this and was attacked. LOL Don't worry on me. I raised several teenagers. I can survive anything. I have tried to say that I enjoyed The North End and also have had lovely experiences at Canoe. I like Lemon Grass but I am a bit less able to afford expensive meals so guess that I am a bit frugal. I like the food at Lemon Grass though. I made some comments about a few bad experiences that I guess others did not want to know. Still when I said I was not going back to one that I mentioned, I was asked to at least say why I was not going back. (See the problem?) When I wrote why I was not going back, I was attacked. Still the lake is a lovely area that we all enjoy and has some lovely places to eat. I had my first banana split today on my way back from a trip to the dump. It was delicious!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks again for writing. I don't know any owners at any restaurants. Most of my opinions were shared by others in my group at any given outing. I do not go out to eat alone. I have taken out meals from restaurants when I eat alone. I am also cost conscious and courtesy conscious. I like good value and simple politeness at restaurants. I also like consistency. I am a good solid soul and those who know me would vouch for my honesty. Don't worry. All is well. Have a lovely weekend and thanks for your input.

[Merrymeeting]

LovelyToSeeYou,

Like others who have posted, I'm happy to assume that your intentions are good and you are not here as a "troll".

But on behalf of many, can I ask you to work a little bit on the formatting of your posts? For example, separating your thoughts into paragraphs? Using some spacing to make your ideas more readable?

I'm not one of those who is a member of the grammar police. Anyone knows my posts are full of grammatical and spelling mistakes.
But, your posts and ideas are very difficult to comprehend when it's all jumbled together with no spacing or thought breaks.

Thanks...

[Slickcraft]

Originally Posted by Merrymeeting

But on behalf of many, can I ask you to work a little bit on the formatting of your posts? For example, separating your thoughts into paragraphs? Using some spacing to make your ideas more readable?

Thanks MM, I did not even try to read those long jumbled paragraphs. I glanced at her 1st long post that started this off in another thread and then just moved on as I would have with any other similarly formatted post.

[RPM]

Everyone's wrong !!

[LovelyToSeeYou]

Regarding format..............not too many of you are able to read paragraphs in a book then I guess. LOL I have not heard any serious post that offers any response to my comments. Should a restaurant be rude to a person who has come at 11:50 to eat when they close at 12:00???? Should a restaurant be out of lobsters before 7 PM when one has called in advance to ask if they have lobsters? Should a restaurant suggest that a bad tasting and bad looking COLD lobster tail be eaten as it was just next to some ice ? Did any of you just good folks here happen to notice that it was a poor shipment and they came to say they had stopped serving that special? None of you has ever had a bad meal anywhere? Some of you are just like teenagers I guess. I know I can deal with that!! Don't trouble yourselves to respond as I do not respect empty nonsense. Great suggestion.............only write positive things about restaurants???? Good. You do that. I have both good and bad things to say about restaurants but some of you are like those who sit and watch as things go bad. Then you wondered what happened? Fine. I am here at a Lake that I love with friends and neighbors that I love and we are all having a great time. I do not think any of you try to be mean or disrespectful. It may just be that some like to try to see change and some like to make sure that things stay the same no matter what. Now to my walk.

[Rattlesnake Guy]

It's kind of like a movie critic. Some will like any given movie. Some will hate the same. The trick is being a fair judge who can present both good and bad to help the businesses improve and us to tell the difference between the ones worth going to. Just like movies, this is hardly an exact science and it can draw different viewpoints. Like the old expression, you are the expert at your opinion. A movie critic that likes 70 percent of the movies reviewed has a lot more credibility than one who hates 70 percent. Likewise, liking 95 percent is not much help either.

[Alton Bay Bob]

Originally Posted by LovelyToSeeYou

Regarding format..............not too many of you are able to read paragraphs in a book then I guess. LOL I have not heard any serious post that offers any response to my comments. Should a restaurant be rude to a person who has come at 11:50 to eat when they close at 12:00???? Should a restaurant be out of lobsters before 7 PM when one has called in advance to ask if they have lobsters? Should a restaurant suggest that a bad tasting and bad looking COLD lobster tail be eaten as it was just next to some ice ? Did any of you just good folks here happen to notice that it was a poor shipment and they came to say they had stopped serving that special? None of you has ever had a bad meal anywhere? Some of you are just like teenagers I guess. I know I can deal with that!! Don't trouble yourselves to respond as I do not respect empty nonsense. Great suggestion.............only write positive things about restaurants???? Good. You do that. I have both good and bad things to say about restaurants but some of you are like those who sit and watch as things go bad. Then you wondered what happened? Fine. I am here at a Lake that I love with friends and neighbors that I love and we are all having a great time. I do not think any of you try to be mean or disrespectful. It may just be that some like to try to see change and some like to make sure that things stay the same no matter what. Now to my walk.

I hope you had a good walk. As you can see from my stats I have been a member for years but don't post very often. But your posts have confused the heck out of me. I have read many books and have never seen such run on paragraphs.... You then say you have not seen a response to a whole bunch of statements that are not on this thread! (I am guessing they are on other threads but not sure.)

I have found the members of this forum amazingly helpful...sometimes a bit forceful but always helpful. I would humbly suggest you follow the advice given on this thread and enjoy the entire experience.. hopefully as much as I do

[Lakegeezer]

Yes please! Use the "enter" key every now and then to put a blank line between your thoughts. I try to read what you post, but haven't made it through one yet.

[ILoveWinnipesaukee]

Originally Posted by LovelyToSeeYou

Regarding format..............not too many of you are able to read paragraphs in a book then I guess. ... None of you has ever had a bad meal anywhere? Some of you are just like teenagers I guess. I know I can deal with that!! Don't trouble yourselves to respond as I do not respect empty nonsense. Great suggestion.............only write positive things about restaurants???? Good. You do that. I have both good and bad things to say about restaurants but some of you are like those who sit and watch as things go bad. Then you wondered what happened? Fine.

LTSY, as far as format, you cannot compare what you have written with a paragraph in a book, first off, when I read books, and I am in college so I read very thick complicated books, the difference...The books do not repeat themselves in every paragraph about one subject as you do The Bob.

Second, perhaps you should read more posts rather than suggest that people do not say bad things about restaurants because there are many threads that say negative things about restaurants when necessary. BUT those posts will stay on topic regarding THAT RESTAURANT. Not always add something about another restaurant that has nothing to do with the thread.

This is why people are saying what they say. My final suggestion, READ BEFORE POSTING.

[Rattlesnake Gal]

LovelyToSeeYou is not Nadia. Many of you aren’t being fair to her and I think some of you might owe her an apology.

If she doesn’t care to take our advice about how to post in a more readable manner… don’t read her posts.

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

LovelyToSeeYou is not Nadia. Many of you aren’t being fair to her and I think some of you might owe her an apology.

If she doesn’t care to take our advice about how to post in a more readable manner… don’t read her posts.

I have to say I think I agree with RSG. I went back and read Nadia posts and I don't see the connection. Nadia did actually separate thoughts with spaces. I'm hoping LTSY continues to post and just takes some friendly advice.

[sa meredith]

Originally Posted by hazelnut

I have to say I think I agree with RSG. I went back and read Nadia posts and I don't see the connection. Nadia did actually separate thoughts with spaces. I'm hoping LTSY continues to post and just takes some friendly advice.

Don't see the connections?! Are you serious?
Where do I start?
First, let me say this.
As long time members of this forum, I respect both you and Rattlesnake Gal's opinions. In fact, because of RG's posting style, which is always postive or informative, and never confrontational, I would indeed acquiesce to her in any matter ralated to this board in which she simply said "I know this to be true, and it is not an opinion. I have the facts". She would need not back up her writings with examples. Her statement would be enough. I believe she has eraned this measure of respect long ago.
That being said...
Why I STRONGLY believe LTSY is Nadia? First and foremost, understand that I am not alone in this thought.
The amount of PMs to me saying they had the exact same idea is now double digits. And, two of the PMs are from forum members that are certainly in the same league as RG.
One is from a member of this forum whose opinions are held is the highest of regard, and he simply stated "no question".
Also...
When Nadia was not is a battle, but responding to a post in a friendly way, she always started it with:
Hi Hazelnut
and then begin
LTSY does the same thing.

Nadia would start a thread, and respond to every single post in it.
LTSY does the same thing. And mind you, as a 67 year old retired grandmother, pounds away on that keyboard pretty good. Do her writings truly read like those of a 67 yr old grandmother? Really? I say, no!

Nadia would often sign on, and instantly respond to 6 or 7 threads right away. LTSY not only does the same, but, I ask, is this typical behavior of a new member? Especially that of a 67 yr old woman? I say no. Most start slowly, and very few jump in and do battle right away.

But the single biggest reason I believe they are one in the same, is the way she responds to opinions that don't line up with her's. Just long rambling posts telling you why your opinion is wrong.

When she worked at LP, she defended everything about them to a fault, and now, well, it would seen she is mostly likely working at The Bob House. Would this not make sense? She is no longer with LP, and Bob House, being a new place, would indeed be looking for experienced restaurant people. And she now defends them to a fault.

Other reasons as well, but enough is enough. If I am wrong I apologize. I certainly mean no harm.
But, appply the theory of Arkham's Razor, and my idea fits.

[Rose]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

But, appply the theory of Arkham's Razor, and my idea fits.

Do you mean Ockham's Razor?

I'll give the most simple fact. We don't know for certain who it is. It may be her, it may not be. So why stir the pot?

[upthesaukee]

When I have a continuing issue with the way someone posts, I do one of two things: 1. Ignore their posts, which is usually easy to do; and 2. If it is not easy to do, I simply put them on my ignore list.

In either case no more problem, no possible false accusations of who is who, and my blood pressure stays at about 118 over 70 something.

Life is too short to have all these negative thoughts in 3 or 4 somewhat related threads.

One small step down of the soapbox, and back to chores.

[Rattlesnake Gal]

sa meredith and others, there certainly is the possibility that LovelyToSeeYou is Nadia. She denied being Nadia to me directly last night via PM. Until there is proof, shouldn’t we give her the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn’t want so many treating my 66-year-old mother so aggressively if she were to start posting on this Forum.

If it is Nadia and she stays within the rules of the Forum, shouldn’t she be given another chance? Many of Nadia’s posts have breaks in them - hence a big reason for my doubt.

I guess last night’s post should have read: Lovely Tells Me She Isn’t Nadia. Sorry, my mistake. I've been feeling bad for her.

As upthesaukee stated, we have that handy-dandy button to ignore people. Why not use it?

[Argie's Wife]

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

sa meredith and others, there certainly is the possibility that LovelyToSeeYou is Nadia. She denied being Nadia to me directly last night via PM. Until there is proof, shouldn’t we give her the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn’t want so many treating my 66-year-old mother so aggressively if she were to start posting on this Forum.

If it is Nadia and she stays within the rules of the Forum, shouldn’t she be given another chance? Many of Nadia’s posts have breaks in them - hence a big reason for my doubt.

I guess last night’s post should have read: Lovely Tells Me She Isn’t Nadia. Sorry, my mistake. I've been feeling bad for her.

As upthesaukee stated, we have that handy-dandy button to ignore people. Why not use it?

I just received a similar PM. I'm gong to give you the "just" of the note in my own words because I think it's bad form to copy and paste a PM.

LTSY stated she was unable to post (not sure if she was shut off or if there's another reason.) She did mention she had posted 3 posts in 24 hours but that when she contacted Don, she was told her messages were not being moderated. She asked if this seemed right. (Again - it could be a computer or browser issue - I would think that Don would tag her if he was shutting her off.)

At any rate, there is an invite to meet face-to-face. She states that some people will be red-faced because of their behavior, as she really is who she claims she is. She states she is not a troll or any of the other things she has been called.

Again - that's my "take" on her note to me.

No offense SA - or anyone else - but I don't subscribe to the theory you propose. I think there are similarities in the two posters' styles but they aren't the same, per se.

In my opinion, LTSY chose to go beyond having "an opinion" and went into overkill, hence my likening her behavior on this board to be like a troll. I frequent some other forums and have seen the damage they can do. Perhaps she did not intend to have that impact or to solicit the reaction she received when she "stepped on some toes". Again, just my opinion. I'll let you decide what you want and let her (and you) make amends or whatever to move on....

I stick to what I said earlier in this thread - play nice and you're more than welcome here.

[Argie's Wife]

I attempted to respond to LTSY's email (I had accidentally called it a PM in my earlier post - it is an email) but found she had turned that function off. I see she is logged in right now, so maybe she is reading this thread...


LTSY - I cannot respond to your note unless you turn your PM function back on.



Edited to add this: LTSY - please contact the webmaster for assistance. I cannot help you with your problem - none of us can turn off/on other poster's PM function. I'm sure he will be able to assist you. Thank you.

[sa meredith]

I guess with this post I can be accused of beating a dead horse, but, one more, if I may.
Very simply...re-read some of the posts, and ask yourself one, and only one, question.
Do these writings seem to be that of a 67 year old woman, who is indeed new to the forum, and knows nobody? Just think about that.
And, I would very much like an explanation to her use of the word "we" at the end of post #49 in the VK/Country Cookin' thread. It should very clear to any English speaking person that "we" was a slip on her part, and in the context it was used, can only be referring to "we" as in a group of restaurant owners or employees. No grey area.

Some of you may ask why I am beating this drum. What difference does it make?
I will simply tell you that if any of you ever read the PM's I received from Nadia and someone who identified themselves as Nadia's husband, over the past year, you would understand. I will take every opportunity to call her out that I can. She is a person with some huge issues, that need to worked on. And RG, no, I don't believe a second chance is in order.
Don has read some of the PM's and I am quite sure he agrees.
If LTSY is somehow, someway, who she says she is, I am sorry, and so very embarrassed.
But, I believe, when I have dinner at The Bob House in the next day or so, and carefully ask if there is an employee there by the name of Nadia, the aswer will be yes.

[ILoveWinnipesaukee]

When I post comments on LTSY, I am mainly commenting on how she writes and the fact that no matter the subject, she sticks The Bob House into the subject. Then you have the strange comment about the Patriots in the middle of a non-Patriot's thread.

Anyway, most 67 year old grandmothers take advice when long time posters give it. Also, if she is new, I am confused as to how she is a "member" and not a "junior member"?

Again, she seems to think we are unable to read paragraphs, as she clearly stated, but if the paragraph was written with one idea and then a new paragraph was made for the next, we would be less harsh, or at least I would be.

I really enjoy reading these threads as I am not able to get to the lake as often as I want especially now that I am unemployed, and I do not want to have to ignor anyone, but LTSY makes it really difficult.

[Argie's Wife]

SA - Again, no offense intended and I respectfully disagree but understand your point of view.


LTSY - Please stop emailing me. You've tagged me 5 times now. I will not respond with you other than via PM. No, I do not want to email you back, thank you, anyways. Again, please contact the webmaster for help. No one can shut you off and this is hardly Nazi Germany - give me a break already. Enough!

[Rattlesnake Gal]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

I will simply tell you that if any of you ever read the PM's I received from Nadia and someone who identified themselves as Nadia's husband, over the past year, you would understand. I will take every opportunity to call her out that I can. She is a person with some huge issues, that need to worked on. And RG, no, I don't believe a second chance is in order.
Don has read some of the PM's and I am quite sure he agrees.
If LTSY is somehow, someway, who she says she is, I am sorry, and so very embarrassed.
But, I believe, when I have dinner at The Bob House in the next day or so, and carefully ask if there is an employee there by the name of Nadia, the answer will be yes.

Now I completely understand your position sa meredith. I'm very sorry you were a target.

By the way, her restaurant was called Nadia's - her real name is Carol. Keep us posted and good luck.

I agree with Argie's Wife, I will not respond to e-mails from LovelyToSeeYou. Sorry.

[Rose]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

I guess with this post I can be accused of beating a dead horse, but, one more, if I may.

So go meet this person at The Bob House and if it turns out to be Nadia, you can declare kanly and have it out with her. But can you please leave the rest of us out of it?

[gtagrip]

I think I'm on board with SA. Just to many similarities in posts between LTSY and the previous Nadia. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

[Mee-n-Mac]

Originally Posted by Rose

Do you mean Ockham's Razor?

I'll give the most simple fact. We don't know for certain who it is. It may be her, it may not be. So why stir the pot?

Originally Posted by upthesaukee

When I have a continuing issue with the way someone posts, I do one of two things: 1. Ignore their posts, which is usually easy to do; and 2. If it is not easy to do, I simply put them on my ignore list.

In either case no more problem, no possible false accusations of who is who, and my blood pressure stays at about 118 over 70 something.

Life is too short to have all these negative thoughts in 3 or 4 somewhat related threads.

One small step down of the soapbox, and back to chores.

Originally Posted by Rattlesnake Gal

sa meredith and others, there certainly is the possibility that LovelyToSeeYou is Nadia. She denied being Nadia to me directly last night via PM. Until there is proof, shouldn’t we give her the benefit of the doubt? I wouldn’t want so many treating my 66-year-old mother so aggressively if she were to start posting on this Forum.

If it is Nadia and she stays within the rules of the Forum, shouldn’t she be given another chance? Many of Nadia’s posts have breaks in them - hence a big reason for my doubt.

I guess last night’s post should have read: Lovely Tells Me She Isn’t Nadia. Sorry, my mistake. I've been feeling bad for her.

As upthesaukee stated, we have that handy-dandy button to ignore people. Why not use it?

My thoughts exactly. I know Peyton Place was based local events but really people .........

[hazelnut]

Originally Posted by sa meredith

Don't see the connections?! Are you serious?
Where do I start?
First, let me say this.
As long time members of this forum, I respect both you and Rattlesnake Gal's opinions. In fact, because of RG's posting style, which is always postive or informative, and never confrontational, I would indeed acquiesce to her in any matter ralated to this board in which she simply said "I know this to be true, and it is not an opinion. I have the facts". She would need not back up her writings with examples. Her statement would be enough. I believe she has eraned this measure of respect long ago.
That being said...
Why I STRONGLY believe LTSY is Nadia? First and foremost, understand that I am not alone in this thought.
The amount of PMs to me saying they had the exact same idea is now double digits. And, two of the PMs are from forum members that are certainly in the same league as RG.
One is from a member of this forum whose opinions are held is the highest of regard, and he simply stated "no question".
Also...
When Nadia was not is a battle, but responding to a post in a friendly way, she always started it with:
Hi Hazelnut
and then begin
LTSY does the same thing.

Nadia would start a thread, and respond to every single post in it.
LTSY does the same thing. And mind you, as a 67 year old retired grandmother, pounds away on that keyboard pretty good. Do her writings truly read like those of a 67 yr old grandmother? Really? I say, no!

Nadia would often sign on, and instantly respond to 6 or 7 threads right away. LTSY not only does the same, but, I ask, is this typical behavior of a new member? Especially that of a 67 yr old woman? I say no. Most start slowly, and very few jump in and do battle right away.

But the single biggest reason I believe they are one in the same, is the way she responds to opinions that don't line up with her's. Just long rambling posts telling you why your opinion is wrong.

When she worked at LP, she defended everything about them to a fault, and now, well, it would seen she is mostly likely working at The Bob House. Would this not make sense? She is no longer with LP, and Bob House, being a new place, would indeed be looking for experienced restaurant people. And she now defends them to a fault.

Other reasons as well, but enough is enough. If I am wrong I apologize. I certainly mean no harm.
But, appply the theory of Arkham's Razor, and my idea fits.

sa if I were on the jury I'd be leaning toward a conviction right now. I think you may have inadvertently stumbled upon your new career.