Kayaks/SUP's and Loons

MalibuResponse · 09-20-2017, 04:02 PM

Just curious. The more time I spend on the lake the more I have noticed more and more people on SUP's and in kayaks getting as closely as possible to loons, sometimes within a few feet. I thought that this was looked down upon?

camp guy · 09-20-2017, 04:48 PM

I have no idea what the "legal" law is in this case, but the "common sense" law would be to stay away, totally; however, some of the users of kayaks and SUPs act as if they have an environmental "hall pass" and can do whatever they want - not ALL, but certainly some.

rsmlp · 09-20-2017, 05:08 PM

The loons can and do swim away so...

Outdoorsman · 09-20-2017, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MalibuResponse

Just curious. The more time I spend on the lake the more I have noticed more and more people on SUP's and in kayaks getting as closely as possible to loons, sometimes within a few feet. I thought that this was looked down upon?

Really? You have actually seen people getting within A FEW FEET of... (choose any wildlife)? Just Curious...

jazzman · 09-20-2017, 05:49 PM

There was at least 1 Loon just off the Wolfeboro docks during the vintage boat regatta right in the path of all the action. I assume it would have left if it was being bothered but I did fear it might get hit. It would just duck under the water if a boat came too close. It's hard to tell from the perspective in this picture, but it was within 50 feet of the race line

I think they're pretty good at taking care of themselves unless they're nesting or with young chicks.

Descant · 09-20-2017, 05:50 PM

The ones who think the sign that says "Loon Nesting Area" means come in for a closer look. Same people who go to Yellowstone and want to take a selfie with a bear or buffalo.

tis · 09-20-2017, 06:28 PM

They do go too close and they should not. I don't know what they are thinking as they inch closer and closer and the loon feels threatened.

Woody38 · 09-20-2017, 07:30 PM

I have noticed a number of Loons in the area of the Weirs for the past several weeks. Some even sitting on breakwaters.

I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic.

chachee52 · 09-20-2017, 08:06 PM

My father in law and I were kayaking around Green Basin this spring and a couple loons actually popped up about 10 feet from us. They were swimming along side of us for a while. We no means tried to kayak to them, nor did we try to stay with them. The loons swam with us for a few minutes. So I think that it could go both ways, people are stupid sometimes and try to get to close, other times animals are curious and want to figure out whats going on.

Hillcountry · 09-20-2017, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Woody38

I have noticed a number of Loons in the area of the Weirs for the past several weeks. Some even sitting on breakwaters.

I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic.

Are you sure they're not cormorants? Lots of those in the witches at all times...

thinkxingu · 09-21-2017, 05:24 AM

I was going to respond, but I had to cross the street to avoid some chipmunks.

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MeredithMan · 09-21-2017, 10:00 AM

....why are they always out on their boards either a) without a lifejacket/PFD anywhere in sight; or b) the lifejacket/PFD is laying on the board and not on their body?

MeredithMan · 09-21-2017, 10:16 AM

....also see a lot of folks out in 'yaks doing the same thing. In fact, a guy flipped his 'yak out in my cove last summer and when it was clear he couldn't right the thing, Mrs MM and I went out in the boat and got him put back together....no PFD anywhere in sight.

I know that not everyone in 'yaks and SUPS does this, but for those that do, I just don't get it...

FlyingScot · 09-21-2017, 10:54 AM

Not to anthropomorphize, but loons vary just like people vary. We have one that regularly surfaces near my kayak, but obviously there are many on the lake who stay away.

But regardless of any boater's individual experience--you'd have to be a jerk to "chase" a loon or paddle past a sign warning of a nest.

jogator1 · 09-21-2017, 06:13 PM

I completely agree to stay clear of a loon nesting location. It is obviously marked to stay clear not to notify those who would like to get up close. The state has done a tremendous job (along with many volunteers) to increase the numbers of loons on our lakes. Same goes to avoid loon mother with chick.

I do not understand those who take issue with a paddle board, kayak, canoe, boat, etc. "getting close to a loon". Blows me away. I couldn't count the amount of times a loon popped up from underwater within 15-20 feet of my boat or canoe. These are prehistoric animals that can certainly remove themselves from a stressful situation. Do you really think someone on a paddle board can get within the comfort zone of a loon? You're talking about a creature that swims fast enough to catch fish!

ApS · 09-22-2017, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Hillcountry

Are you sure they're not cormorants? Lots of those in the witches at all times...

We had the first sighting of its type two days ago. A Cormorant perched overnight in a Hemlock tree, about 60 feet up.

Loons are unable to perch.

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Originally Posted by PeterG

Not to anthropomorphize, but loons vary just like people vary. We have one that regularly surfaces near my kayak, but obviously there are many on the lake who stay away. But regardless of any boater's individual experience--you'd have to be a jerk to "chase" a loon or paddle past a sign warning of a nest.

Anthropormorphize away! Every critter is sufficiently different to allow Evolution to take place. When they're not, they're bound for extinction.

When sailing, it's not unusual for a Loon to pop to the surface within a few feet of the boat. Some make the abbreviated Ah-h°°°! "warning-signal". Some give the spread-wing "Loon-Threat". Some look under water several seconds and—even oxygen-depleted—dive again. Some give me the "Evil Eye".

I've even gotten soaked from a quick Loon "escape".

/

Major · 09-22-2017, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MeredithMan

....why are they always out on their boards either a) without a lifejacket/PFD anywhere in sight; or b) the lifejacket/PFD is laying on the board and not on their body?

Because it sucks wearing a life jacket while paddle boarding. I will never wear one, but have it on my paddle board just to appease the MP.

WakeboardMom · 09-22-2017, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Major

Because it sucks wearing a life jacket while paddle boarding. I will never wear one, but have it on my paddle board just to appease the MP.

I agree, it does suck. But I wear mine because I'm not a strong swimmer and I'm not allowed by family to go out on the paddleboard without it.

fatlazyless · 09-22-2017, 04:01 PM

In New Hampshire, sup paddle boarders, age 12 and younger are required to be wearing a pfd. Above age 12, to have a pfd on board the sup for each person. A sound producing device such as a whistle is also required....one whistle/sup board.

Plus, a white light, 360-degree visible for two miles, is also required per the time of sunset/sunrise, just like a boat. Is there a baseball cap with a nav light atop the cap.....like a light house cap......or something?

www.myfwc.com/boating/regulations/paddleboard/

Have to wonder what's the open container law in NH, on a sup paddle board? Can one legally wear a baseball cap with a cup holder attached to the cap, with an open 16-oz can of Beck's Beer? Recall NH open container law is different for boats, than for motor vehicles-cars....consider law on non motorized boats like a sup???

But your honor, I was out there on my paddle board with just the paddle and a cold beer ....when this loon surfaced nearby and started to harass me. It made me spill my beer?

09-20-2017, 04:02 PM	#1
MalibuResponse Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 16 Thanks: 4 Thanked 12 Times in 6 Posts	Kayaks/SUP's and Loons Just curious. The more time I spend on the lake the more I have noticed more and more people on SUP's and in kayaks getting as closely as possible to loons, sometimes within a few feet. I thought that this was looked down upon?

09-20-2017, 04:48 PM	#2
camp guy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: formerly Winter Harbor, still Wolfeboro Posts: 1,224 Thanks: 317 Thanked 560 Times in 310 Posts	Kayaks/SUPs and Loons I have no idea what the "legal" law is in this case, but the "common sense" law would be to stay away, totally; however, some of the users of kayaks and SUPs act as if they have an environmental "hall pass" and can do whatever they want - not ALL, but certainly some.

09-20-2017, 05:49 PM	#5
jazzman Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Mont Vernon NH & Big Barndoor Island Posts: 327 Thanks: 4 Thanked 185 Times in 63 Posts	There was at least 1 Loon just off the Wolfeboro docks during the vintage boat regatta right in the path of all the action. I assume it would have left if it was being bothered but I did fear it might get hit. It would just duck under the water if a boat came too close. It's hard to tell from the perspective in this picture, but it was within 50 feet of the race line I think they're pretty good at taking care of themselves unless they're nesting or with young chicks. Attached Images

09-20-2017, 06:28 PM	#7
tis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,946 Thanks: 795 Thanked 1,493 Times in 1,040 Posts	They do go too close and they should not. I don't know what they are thinking as they inch closer and closer and the loon feels threatened. Last edited by tis; 09-20-2017 at 07:54 PM.

09-21-2017, 10:00 AM	#12
MeredithMan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Bedford, NH; Meredith, NH Posts: 1,007 Thanks: 264 Thanked 830 Times in 347 Posts	While we're kvetching about Paddleboard people.... ....why are they always out on their boards either a) without a lifejacket/PFD anywhere in sight; or b) the lifejacket/PFD is laying on the board and not on their body?

09-20-2017, 05:08 PM	#3
rsmlp Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 507 Thanks: 5 Thanked 173 Times in 90 Posts	The loons can and do swim away so...

09-20-2017, 05:50 PM	#6
Descant Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Merrimack and Welch Island Posts: 4,598 Thanks: 1,418 Thanked 1,705 Times in 1,109 Posts	The ones who think the sign that says "Loon Nesting Area" means come in for a closer look. Same people who go to Yellowstone and want to take a selfie with a bear or buffalo.

09-20-2017, 07:30 PM	#8
Woody38 Senior Member Join Date: May 2016 Posts: 584 Thanks: 45 Thanked 110 Times in 81 Posts	I have noticed a number of Loons in the area of the Weirs for the past several weeks. Some even sitting on breakwaters. I am a retired workaholic and continuing aquaholic.

09-20-2017, 08:06 PM	#9
chachee52 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Gilford, NH Posts: 520 Thanks: 6 Thanked 105 Times in 83 Posts	My father in law and I were kayaking around Green Basin this spring and a couple loons actually popped up about 10 feet from us. They were swimming along side of us for a while. We no means tried to kayak to them, nor did we try to stay with them. The loons swam with us for a few minutes. So I think that it could go both ways, people are stupid sometimes and try to get to close, other times animals are curious and want to figure out whats going on.

09-21-2017, 05:24 AM	#11
thinkxingu Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 6,555 Thanks: 1,184 Thanked 2,181 Times in 1,356 Posts	I was going to respond, but I had to cross the street to avoid some chipmunks. Sent from my XT1528 using Tapatalk

09-21-2017, 10:16 AM	#13
MeredithMan Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Bedford, NH; Meredith, NH Posts: 1,007 Thanks: 264 Thanked 830 Times in 347 Posts	kayaks too.... ....also see a lot of folks out in 'yaks doing the same thing. In fact, a guy flipped his 'yak out in my cove last summer and when it was clear he couldn't right the thing, Mrs MM and I went out in the boat and got him put back together....no PFD anywhere in sight. I know that not everyone in 'yaks and SUPS does this, but for those that do, I just don't get it...

09-21-2017, 10:54 AM	#14
FlyingScot Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: Tuftonboro and Sudbury, MA Posts: 2,552 Thanks: 1,412 Thanked 1,075 Times in 668 Posts	Not to anthropomorphize, but loons vary just like people vary. We have one that regularly surfaces near my kayak, but obviously there are many on the lake who stay away. But regardless of any boater's individual experience--you'd have to be a jerk to "chase" a loon or paddle past a sign warning of a nest.

09-21-2017, 06:13 PM	#15
jogator1 Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 77 Thanks: 63 Thanked 17 Times in 10 Posts	I completely agree to stay clear of a loon nesting location. It is obviously marked to stay clear not to notify those who would like to get up close. The state has done a tremendous job (along with many volunteers) to increase the numbers of loons on our lakes. Same goes to avoid loon mother with chick. I do not understand those who take issue with a paddle board, kayak, canoe, boat, etc. "getting close to a loon". Blows me away. I couldn't count the amount of times a loon popped up from underwater within 15-20 feet of my boat or canoe. These are prehistoric animals that can certainly remove themselves from a stressful situation. Do you really think someone on a paddle board can get within the comfort zone of a loon? You're talking about a creature that swims fast enough to catch fish!

09-22-2017, 04:01 PM	#19
fatlazyless Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 9,174 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 310 Thanked 1,103 Times in 812 Posts	In New Hampshire, sup paddle boarders, age 12 and younger are required to be wearing a pfd. Above age 12, to have a pfd on board the sup for each person. A sound producing device such as a whistle is also required....one whistle/sup board. Plus, a white light, 360-degree visible for two miles, is also required per the time of sunset/sunrise, just like a boat. Is there a baseball cap with a nav light atop the cap.....like a light house cap......or something? www.myfwc.com/boating/regulations/paddleboard/ Have to wonder what's the open container law in NH, on a sup paddle board? Can one legally wear a baseball cap with a cup holder attached to the cap, with an open 16-oz can of Beck's Beer? Recall NH open container law is different for boats, than for motor vehicles-cars....consider law on non motorized boats like a sup??? But your honor, I was out there on my paddle board with just the paddle and a cold beer ....when this loon surfaced nearby and started to harass me. It made me spill my beer? __________________ .... Banned for life from local thrift store! Last edited by fatlazyless; 09-23-2017 at 10:12 AM.