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07-23-2021, 08:41 AM | #1 |
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Question about property owner renting dock space
I can't seem to find this information on NH DES or Dept of Safety websites. There are lots of people looking for dock rentals. Are there any limits on a property owner renting dock space? Also, are there limits on the number of boats a person can have on their docks? I understand that only property owners are supposed to use their mooring, but if a person wanted to have several boats tied to their dock(s) on an ongoing basis, are there any rules against doing that?
Just curious. I know there are strict rules about dock sizes, etc based on water frontage, with permits required, but beyond that, can't find anything. |
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Since vacation rentals frequently include docks, and since many marinas just rent out dock space, I see no reason an owner can't rent just dock space and I would imagine the dock, itself, would limit the number of craft. Get liability insurance.
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It’s not just dock space, assuming it includes parking and access to and from the personal dock being rented
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07-23-2021, 01:19 PM | #4 |
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renting dock space
The State is not interested in having individual land owners create their "own" marinas by renting space on their dock(s). When I inquired about having a second mooring, I was told by the State that I needed to have a boat on each mooring registered to me, and that it was not possible to have either of those boats docked at my dock, or on my land. Amount of lakefront footage was also a big factor.
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07-23-2021, 01:40 PM | #5 |
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it's definitely done...
I do know of several elderly neighbors who no longer have boats who let others with a boat use their dock or mooring for the season. I do not know if they are friends/relatives just getting a favor, or complete strangers paying money...none of my business, but people do it.
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How is renting dock space at a private residence any different than renting an owned dock that is part of an association, club or marina?
Moorings for sure are a no go. |
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Check DES website for PDF outlining docks/slips
There’s a PDF available on the DES website that pretty clearly lays out how available slips work based on the docks you have. Basically if I recall a slip is something like 25’ long by 8’ wide by 3’ deep. So regardless of dock configuration, boats are really only supposed to fit into those areas around the dock.
Based on this, if you had a single 30’ long by 6’ wide finger dock for example, that would allow for 2 slips (1 on each side) - my understanding is you can’t just raft up any number of boats together side by side to fit say 6 boats there (at least not over a period of time, I’m sure for a couple of hours it’d be fine though). |
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I think there would be a limit. If you have dock space at your house and rented out seasonal slips to several different people, and multiple boats, at some point your operation becomes commercial, not residential. That may create a zoning issue that your town would object to. Of course, you can do most anything, and violate many regulations, until your neighbor complains to the authorities! |
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It's an interesting question. I have yet to find anything that says you cannot, unless there is some sort of covenant that says you cannot. |
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None of the associations converted to condo ownership without approval from the local Planning Board. They all started out as marinas and the zoning was not an issue because that usage was grandfathered. I actually had a similar discussion with the Laconia Planning Department when I converted a residential building and multiple boat docks to condo ownership. They claimed it was a change of use and I needed to appear before the Planning Board to ask permission. I maintained it was not. I pointed out it was only a change of ownership, the use would remain exactly the same. I told them if it was a change of use they would have some authority to regulate it but the city had no authority to regulate how a property was owned. You can own it individually, with partners, in an LLC, in a trust Etc. I still believe that the city does not have that authority, but sometimes you can't fight city hall. |
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NHDES Wetlands does not have any interest in, or rules pertains to, a homeowner renting their legal slips to another party.
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There was a lake front family in town that had an L shaped long lot. They had 4 docks. And yes, they would rent them out. They did not have any parking issues.
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I think that this is simply a matter of "don't ask don't tell" in moderation. There may be zoning issues in some towns as lake shore residential zoning may preclude commercial activities. However the code enforcement officer is not going to come by to see who is using your dock. Unless, of course, the neighbors have reason to file a complaint.
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And I'm not sure the OP was asking because he really wanted to rent, or was just curious about the law, so sorry if I took this in a different direction. |
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While getting a rider may be a cost of only a few hundred dollars, you may find that that it only covers certain things.... Because of liability reason, rent dock space at your personal dock really doesn't make sense if you ask me. Its great right up until an accident happens...
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C'mon, what could happen around boats and docks?
(slippery dock, cleats to trip on, boat to fall into/out of, motor, propeller, gasoline, lightening strike, massive surf wakes knocking someone out the side of the boat, dog bites, electric cord in the water, ........) |
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rent or lease?
I believe Laconia has, or is considering, zoning that would prevent renting in certain residential areas. There is a lengthy thread on this. HOWEVER, draw the distinction between renting, say for a vacation week, and leasing for more than 6 months. Short term rent requires you to register and pay NH Room and Meals tax. Long term lease is completely different. All the discussion about city/town ordinances, residential vs commercial zoning, etc. still applies.
If you don't charge rent, or have some other legal consideration and you let you neighbor use your dock for 20+ years, the neighbor may have a right to use under adverse possession laws. |
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"Adverse" refers to open and obvious use without asking permission. |
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While I believe this to be completely correct, based on my own family’s experience I would recommend that any friendly agreement like this should be documented. In our case the elderly couple we shared the dock with passed away and the next generation sold their camp telling the new owners, not only that they owned dock rights, but the dock itself. If my grandfather had the agreement in writhing, we couldn’t find it. Eventually our family decided to let the place go.
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This is sad, yet well-taken information (concerning the dock "loaning" and documentation). You didn't say if the dock situation was at the forefront of the family's decision to "let the place go", but giving up long-time family spots are well documented around here ( lamented/celebrated events). Many of these transactions have been described on this forum, and most of them, seems to me, have revolved around inheritors unable to agree on who pays what, who's responsibilities are these, how much time do I get- and like that. I hope this wasn't a painful event for you and the others involved. |
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It was. What made it easier was the fact that, at that time, there were multiple other family members who had places where we were/are welcome. We have one last island foothold and there is agreement that no matter what, it must stay within the family..
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