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Old 02-14-2006, 08:02 AM   #1
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Default Fun Boating Quiz.

Last fall we had a little boating quiz going on another post. I thought that it would be fun to start it over again. If you have an answer to a question give it! If you have a cool question, ask it!

I'll start with a tour of the Lake. Let's start at the Weirs and go from light #1 to light #2 through light #28 in order. (Skip light #15, it is a curve ball). It is a neet trip!

Question: What is special about light #20? How can you tell that it is special at night?

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Old 02-14-2006, 08:55 AM   #2
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Default Light # 20

Hmmmmmm ...............

I know light # 20 is on the Southern "Broads" side of Parker Island .........

I know light # 20 is NOT a Floating Light ........

I believe (without checking) light # 20 is a "Double Flasher" (special?) at night ...........

Is there more ?



p.s. .................. love this kind of trivia ..... irt helps teach more interesting aspects of the lake as a boater !!
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Old 02-14-2006, 01:31 PM   #3
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There are at least five other double flashers. FL16 at Middle ground, FL78 at Moose, FL71 at the Witches, FL7 at Six Mile and of course FL1 in Weirs bay. There may be more.

Following the lights in order sounds like fun, but I would do 1-14 then 17,18,16,19,15 then 20-28. While your at it why not 29,30 that's a nice spot. After that you're pretty much repeating, other than a run down Paugus. Rumor has it that 31-38 are the Weirs channel markers and 39 is off Big.

Funny, there are no flashing lights in Meredith Bay.
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:17 PM   #4
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Cool beans!

Niw try this one...

Why is the helm on the Starboard side of most small power boats?
Hint: 'Same reason as why every small outboard has it's tiller on the port side.
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Old 02-14-2006, 09:19 PM   #5
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Default torque offset

I was led to believe it was to offset the small amount of sideways torque induced by the turning propellor?
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The helm is on the Starboard side so that you can easily see the stand-on vessel in a crossing situation at night.
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Skip and Airwaves, you are both right!

Skip: Remember the emergency procedure for a "hot run" in the torpedo room on the boats? All ahead flank and hard to Port. The torque of the shaft would help the boat to lean to port and make a sharper, faster turn.

Airwaves: A Starboard helm allows the helmsman to see the entire "danger zone", 112.5 degrees from the bow to just behind the starboard beam. Note that this is where your green light shines and tells vessels that can see it that you are the give way vessel.

Next question: What is "Scope"? How much of it do youd need? I have a eight foot chain between my mooring hawser and my anchor. Why?

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If I recall, scope is the length of anchor rode between the anchor and boat, I used to have a 3 to 1 scope on my mooring anchor when I moored my boat but I believe the recommendation is 10to 1.

You wisely use the chain on your anchor to keep it lying down and digging into the lake bottom while the anchor rode makes its way to your boat.
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I think I'll throw one out there.

What is the only ROPE on a powerboat?
(Hint, usually only found on boats over 39'.)
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Old 02-15-2006, 01:17 AM   #10
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I think I'll throw one out there.

What is the only ROPE on a powerboat?
(Hint, usually only found on boats over 39'.)
Well I'm not gonna ring my own bell so I'll leave this one unanswered for the moment. I agree that starboard-side helm stations make sense for the reasons stated but it wasn't always this way. I recall one reason I've heard was that it was proper etiquette to board people on the starboard side, so to make docking easier the helm was to starboard. However here's a few boats from the Winni photo vault that say not everyone agreed .... (enjoy)

An ole Chris Chraft (port)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...o=8389&cat=502

Another ole "laker" (port)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...php?photo=6972

Older yet (starboard)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...php?photo=7406

Newer '74 (port)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...php?photo=7432

Even newer I think (port)
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...php?photo=4683

Hmmm, is this one is "bi" ???
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...php?photo=2578

Lastly, this one is ... I dunno, you tell me
http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...php?photo=3493
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Old 02-15-2006, 09:21 AM   #11
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Default Lets stick with the Lake -

Let's stick with the Lake for the time being --


Everyone does it at one time or another (after they become somewhat familiar with any body of water) - especially when our/your boat is not configured with the latest & greatest electronics-- they use land/fixed aids to navigate.

Question:

At night, when departing the Post Office NWZ, heading towards Wiers, what sure fired Aid can you initially depend on (nite or day) to place you on the "roughly" the correct course (and I mean roughly, as you always need to be watching) to line up and pass (visually) FL#3.
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Old 02-15-2006, 10:00 AM   #12
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I use the Aircraft Collision Avoidance Lights mounted on Gunstock.... well actually I think its located on Mount Rowe.

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BINGO !!

Give Woodsy the prize ...................
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Old 02-15-2006, 01:18 PM   #14
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I actually use those to determine my bearings quite a bit. They are pretty handy nav aids!

This year will be even better once I get that GPS installed...

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Give Woodsy the prize ...................
Guess you've never experienced fog on the Lake, when seeing a few hunderd feet beyond the bow is doing well - on top of Mt Rowe, you say?
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I don't usually go out when the visibility is reduced by fog... no need to run those risks!

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I don't usually go out when the visibility is reduced by fog... no need to run those risks!
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I was thinking about those on Islands and Friday night runs out to the Island and Sunday night runs to the mainland. Perhaps a bridge would make the Bear Island girlie-men feel safer - can't legislate fog?!?!?
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Next question: What is "Scope"? How much of it do youd need? I have a eight foot chain between my mooring hawser and my anchor. Why?

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Scope is the ratio of the length of rode to the height of the bitter end (where the rode is tied) of the rode above the sea floor. 7:1 is a good starting point from which you can go up or down a few points depending on the weather, the amount of room you have to swing and the security you need.

The chain on your mooring is there to resist the chafing that would otherwise part your hawser. Mooring anchors don't need the chain for holding power.
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MEE-N-MAC gets to ring the bell! The only ROPE on a powerboat is the bell rope, the rope tied to the clapper! There are a couple of other ROPES on sailing vessels that's why I asked about powerboats!

Yes, 7 to 1 ratio sounds right. Like I said I used a 3 to 1 ratio on my mooring but I was in protected waters with the current running in one direction (not tidal)

I assumed when Misty Blue was talking about his 8 foot anchor chain we was talking about his boat anchor, not his mooring anchor!

(sorry for the delay in posting my response, I worked a different shift today and couldn't access the website easily
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I was led to believe it was to offset the small amount of sideways torque induced by the turning propellor?
Okay, then what about the anti-torque trim tab on outboards and sterndrives?

Is that not their purpose?
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Hi GWC....

I dug into it a little deeper, and according to a number of sites this is the story....

In the earlier days of motorboating, most (and still) motors spun the prop clockwise. The torque induced by this spin, while curving a boat gently to the left, also caused a pronounced uplifting of a small boat on the starboard side. The additional weight of the occupant, being placed on the starboard side, was supposed to counteract this minor lifting.

The additional benefits with visibility were covered in previous posts.

Anyway, there's a lot of different versions of this one effect on numerous sites....I guess in a small boat many years ago I could visualize this theory....of course now-a-days with tabs and modern steering and the overall greater weight and size of boats, it would not be a noticable effect.

Anyway, it made for some interesting research!

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Don't forget that boats were narrower in the past, this increased the influence of the prop torque leaning the boat over. So, the steering wheel is on the right to allow the driver to sit on the high side so as to maximize his visibility.
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GWC:

If you are thinking obout the small tab, grey/silver in color, behind the prop. it is not to reduce the torque on the boat is to even out the steering.

Typical boats propellers (screws) turn clockwise when in forward and counter clockwise when in reverse ( a whole new post). Picture your screw as a big water wheel turning clockwise as you go forward. It would pull your stern to the right thus turning your boat to port. To compensate for this in small craft tabs are placed behind the screw to add a steering effect to the lower unit.

Your tab should be adjusted (it takes a 5/16" allen wrench on a Mercruiser) a little bit to starboard. When properly set you can be on plane and let go of the wheel and she should run straight on course.

The added benefit is that they are also sacrificial annodes. That is they give up their mass through electron flow saving your outdrive from corrosion. Remember, in fresh water like our beautiful Lake, use magnisium annodes. Zinc annodes are for salt water.

'Hope this helps.

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An answer to Dave R: the chain between the lower end of the mooring line and the mooring device (cement block, mushroom ancor, etc) ALSO serves as a shock absorber to the mooring effort. Usually, the weight of the chain will cause a "slack situation" to occur in the mooring system, and, when the wind or wave action exerts pressure on the vessel, away from the mooring device, this "slack situation" will become stretched out and in the process absorb the shock of the vessel against the mooring device. For this reason, it is a good idea to use a heavy chain maybe 10' in length (depending on the water depth and surrounding boats).
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An answer to Dave R: the chain between the lower end of the mooring line and the mooring device (cement block, mushroom ancor, etc) ALSO serves as a shock absorber to the mooring effort. Usually, the weight of the chain will cause a "slack situation" to occur in the mooring system, and, when the wind or wave action exerts pressure on the vessel, away from the mooring device, this "slack situation" will become stretched out and in the process absorb the shock of the vessel against the mooring device. For this reason, it is a good idea to use a heavy chain maybe 10' in length (depending on the water depth and surrounding boats).
Thanks! I understand the idea from anchor rode concepts, but hadn't really thought about it with moorings. I always figured they were kinda tight. Learn something new every day.
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At sea I read the entire Hornblower (by C.S. Forester) series over and over. The guys had to take me down to the bilge for a little bit of "deprograming".

Any way, Horatio used a trick when anchoring in a storm. He tied a gun barrel to the anchor rhode some distanse from the anchor to keep the line draging the bottom for a better anchr grip.

To demonstrate how this works take a piece of velcro and pull the fuzzy side UP from the rough side. It pulls out. Now try pulling not UP but sideways. Wow! That is what makes a plow or a danforth work!

New Question: As we all know a sailboat has the "right of way" (I hate that term) over a power boat. But when two sailboats are aproaching each other with a risk of collision who is the "stand on" vessel?
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Default Sailboat right of way

A. The sailboat on a starboard tack (wind coming from it's starboard) has the right of way and is the stand-on vessel.


Q. What is the reference point for Five and Six mile Islands and what is the origin of the name of that reference point?
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Q. What is the reference point for Five and Six mile Islands and what is the origin of the name of that reference point?
Probably wrong, but always thought that was their distance from Center Harbor.
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New Question: As we all know a sailboat has the "right of way" (I hate that term) over a power boat. But when two sailboats are aproaching each other with a risk of collision who is the "stand on" vessel?
How about a follow up question, can you name one instance in which a powerboat has the right of way over a sailboat?
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How about a follow up question, can you name one instance in which a powerboat has the right of way over a sailboat?
When it (blow-boat) is under power (steaming) and the other boat (gf-bl) is crossing it's starboard bow.
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Probably wrong, but always thought that was their distance from Center Harbor.
You would be correct. The second part of the question regarding the name has a twofold source:

"Center Harbor gets its name from two sources: from its location, centered between Meredith and Moultonborough Harbors, and also for the Senter family, who were owners of a large amount of property in the area."
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Hey...We are having some fun here! Try these:

What type of line would you use to tie up your boat to a dock...and why?

What type of line would you use to anchor your boat...and why?

What type of line would you use for standing and running rigging on your sailboat...and why?

What type of line would you use for water skiing and life rings...and why?

What type of line would you use to pick up a "dollie" at the Bad Moose....And Why???

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Question Island names

Since we've touched on island names already perhaps we can continue on that line for a bit. If this takes off perhaps it can be split and put into General Discussion. So we've previously (on the forum) taked about how Rattlesnake I and Becky's Garden and Cow I got their names. Just above we've talked about how 6 Mile island got it's name but how did Far Ozone get it's name ? (I don't know). Little 6 Mile Island makes sense but Far Ozone ? So who knows the story ?
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