M’boro Dump Disaster
We just went to the Moultonborough dump for the first time in six months, and couldn’t believe the gyrations they’re going through to be “safe”. This is a beautiful sunny day with slight breeze, and everyone (employees) is wearing a mask 😷, which is probably for feel good purposes, BUT the kicker is that four vehicles at a time are allowed to proceed through the quickly building lines of cars. Ken is directing everyone through this overly cautious process...JMO, of course. This weekend will be just plain horrendous there.....maybe there will be traffic back up all the way to rt.25! This whole thing has gone off the rails. If you have to go, take a snack and some good reading material. 🙄
Happy Memorial Day to all 🛶🚤⛴🇺🇸 |
thx for the heads up
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The Dumpster Lottery
It is likely that over the weekend there will be several people that are contagious without symptoms using the dump. Would you like to be throwing your trash in the bin while next to them? Can you identify them? Can they be sure of you? Do you feel lucky? Keep your distance AND wear your mask! It won't be forever and hopefully soon, effective treatments will mean its not as risky to catch it.
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Thank You!
We should not scorn those that will not wear masks in close contact situations in public. We owe them a debt of gratitude. Thank you for thinning the herd.
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Seriously!?
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While times of peak usage will see annoyingly long backups of vehicles waiting to unload, only four at a time are allowed up at the unload zone, spaced well apart. At any particular time, half of those are at their vehicles getting stuff out to bring over to the compactor bin. That leaves perhaps two people throwing stuff into the compactor bin or about to do so, and from what I've seen the other one or occasionally two about to approach the bin do indeed wait politely the few seconds it takes for the person at the bin to dump and move away before going the last ten feet to the bin. Everyone cooperates. Given the low percentage of the general populace that actually has the virus, times the very low percentage of the infected ones who might actually being going to the dump right when you do, times the fairly low likelihood of picking up the virus from someone close by for a few seconds while outdoors, with air moving around to dilute things even more, the actual chance of your picking up the virus during a trip to the dump is extremely low. You could be more at risk of having a car accident while driving to the dump. Nothing in life is risk-free, but it's not good to worry excessively about things with an exceedingly low chance of happening.
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It will remind me not to go Sunday afternoon in the summer as it will be backed up to moultonboro center
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Sadly, there are those who deem all of this as some sort of minor illness. That this does not happen here. That it is some place else. Maybe it is time to give the Recycling Center employees the dignity and respect that they are entitled to. Their lives and their families lives are just as important as the customers lives. Time for some to stop thinking about themselves only ! |
All clear at Tuftonboro Transfer today :)
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open an additional day
With summer here, Selectmen should open transfer station on Tuesdays again to spread out the traffic over another day. While it won't eliminate the backups due to Covid precautions, it should ease them somewhat. I am all for protecting workers and citizens from accidentally catching this disease.
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Does anyone catch this disease on purpose? |
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Have only met one couple who actually self-quarantined. Never mind the young adults with no masks. Oh . . . it's not an order. OK. |
I’d like to understand why it’s such a big deal to some to wear a mask...outside of your freedom not to do it. Those who say they don’t want government intrusion lose that argument by registering their cars and boat. Wearing their seatbelt, not holding their phone and driving under 100 mph to the dump. Seriously, what is so hard about this???
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There is a difference between being privileged enough to be able to own and register your vehicles and being a scofflaw, rebel that uses his energy to avoid doing so. Wearing a mask is a “suggestion” that some believe does not protect nor prevent one from giving/getting an exposure. Big difference and not surprising you cannot understand it. |
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Because they’re all just crybabies who have to have their own way.
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I have some first hand research on wearing masks in Boston. I have begun working from my office in Boston three days a week (Tuesday-Thursday). I walk from my apartment in Cambridge to my office, which is approximately 2.5 miles. Most people are wearing masks. (I wear a bandana so that I can breathe through my nose easier.) However, it appears that a very important demographic appears to be exempt from wearing masks -- homeless people. Walking along Cambridge Street where a lot of homeless people hang out near the Old West Church, and about 15 or so bums were there and not one of them were wearing masks. Went to lunch, same thing. Maybe I should dress the part so I can get a free pass too?! |
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They're poor, you're not. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need." |
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There is a clear medical consensus that wearing a mask DOES decrease the risk of transmitting Covid 19 to others. So protecting children from dying from whooping cough is OK but protecting the over 20% of NH vulnerable residents is against libertarian principles? If you don’t want to wear a mask, then don’t; but justifying it because of traditional NH libertarian principles seems a bit of a stretch. |
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I hope when history is written you are correct and many people do not die unnecessarily.
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I was actually continuing the ongoing discussion of the use of masks at the dump using vaccination as an example.
I do appreciate all you do and will not pursue this. Sorry if this seemed disruptive to the thread. |
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How’s that? I have a different opinion than you. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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And that's after the COVID-19 number have been held down by what you described as overreacting |
U.S. numbers are inflated. Total deaths worldwide are within the range of H1N1.
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I have never said that Chinese coronavirus shouldn't be ignored. I have an issue with our approach. The damage caused to our economy and the economic and mental health issues resulting from the shut down will far outweigh the damage caused by the virus. The average age of a Chinese coronavirus death is 82. The numbers are vastly inflated. I read that a person who died of alcohol poisoning (0.4 BAC) had Chinese coronavirus and was deemed a Chinese coronavirus death. John Glenn's wife, who was 100, deemed a Chinese coronavirus death. They aren't keeping track of influenza deaths since the onset of this event. They are just being lumped into the Chinese coronavirus deaths. 2020 was supposed to be a bad influenza year -- 30,000 to 65,000 deaths. The goal posts are moving. We were told we need to "flatten the curve." We were concerned of overwhelming the hospitals. There is no evidence that shutting down the economy helped to "flatten the curve." Some studies show it would have flattened anyway. Regardless, it is now "flattened." The hospitals were never overrun. In fact, as with LRGH, hospitals are laying off doctors and nurses in unprecedented numbers. New York didn't take advantage of increased hospital space but instead chose to endanger our most vulnerable citizens. Our solution has actually harmed our healthcare system. So instead of opening up the economy full throttle, we are now being told that we need to ease into reopening, with the strong likelihood that things will be shut down again in the fall. Our political and local leaders are experiencing a HUGE power trip by being able to tell the unwashed what to do. I live in Long Bay, and our Board made the decision that we can't use the beaches. Our leaders are getting off on this. Treating us like children. We should be ashamed. Is it so farfetched that there could have been another approach? That instead of telling healthy people to stay home, we instead focused on the most vulnerable to keep them healthy? I don't understand why we can't have a healthy debate on the issue. |
Another thread derailed to political agenda. :(
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A simple case pf physical science....
If a particle is in the air, any barrier, of any kind, even a Kleenex barrier will have efficacy of some proportion.
You're arguing over this? So, what's happening at the transfer stations? |
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masks
To even suggest that masks are not efficacious in reducing the spread of a VIRUS is either utterly stupid or ignorant-you pick.
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I've used the comparison before, but masks are merely a feel good measure, much like metal detectors at airports. |
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At the time that he said that there was a shortage of N95 masks and he was trying to prevent a run on them to protect the supply for doctors and nurses. |
If anyone is interested
An explanation of the mask controversy and Dr. Fauci's conflicting advice.
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/05/ou...ut-of-context/ No masks at my dump, but no lines, crowds, or workers either. My feeling is the more people wear them, the quicker things reopen. I'm willing to do so, even if it is the government telling me what to do. The alternative of protesting, not wearing one, and getting upset about it seems counter productive to what I want - more things to open back up. In an area like the Lakes Region that draws in lots of people from all over, I would think businesses, people in the hospitality trade, and anyone who wants things to open up quickly would be wearing masks and encouraging others to do so. Anything to prevent a spike occurring in July or August, leading to things closing back up again. As to the traffic backup described, it does seem like expanding hours, encouraging more efficiency (my dump can be a place where people linger), and looking at ways to streamline the process would be beneficial. |
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You don't believe anything that doesn't fit your agenda. |
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I think he was lying and trying to preserve the supply for healthcare workers, avoiding a hoarding. I believe he was intentionally dishonest in this one regard. |
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The coronavirus is something brand new that we have never had experience with before. Like anything else, the more information we get, the better decisions and choices we can make.
Two months ago, it was uncertain how the virus was being transmitted. The thought, at that time, was that it was most likely that if we touch something that someone else touched who was infected and didn’t wash our hands and then touched our face , we would get the virus. Now, after being able to study this virus for over two months, we are being told that it is transmitted by droplets in the air that we are expelling as we are breathing as well as talking. I don’t understand why people are still debating at this point whether or not we should be wearing masks. The people that choose not to follow recommendations at this point are the ones that are causing the economy to be in the terrible condition that it is in. |
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You have steadily downplayed/underestimated the impact and danger of COVID-19, and you toss off stuff like "the numbers are inflated" as facts, when the majority of experts believe that the numbers are actually undercounted. Then you toss in stuff like the response is causing the shutdown of LRGH, completely ignoring numerous reports of years' of mismanagement and losses. I think you do better when you stick to your real concern--that Trump is the most conservative President in your lifetime (by your definition), so you support him no matter what. |
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I'm retired so this is no financial burden or civil liberties burden on me. Do I want things to open back up? Sure I do but safely. |
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But who cares, I'm financially fine. |
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Many of us think this way. It’s unfortunate that you must have others think for you and protect you and your family. Some would label you a burden on society Sent from my iPhone using Winnipesaukee Forum mobile app |
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In life it is every man for himself. No one owes you a thing. We are not all in this together. Those who have lost their jobs or their businesses have sacrificed more than most. (And do not give me the crack about lives lost. One life is too many, but let's face it if you are relatively young and in decent health it is almost statistically impossible to die from Chinese coronavirus.) Those who have government jobs haven't sacrificed one bit. In life the strong (whether judged by health, smartness, drive, ambition) do succeed at a higher level. No one ever said there's a benefit to thinning the herd. That's hyperbole I guess. |
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This judge in Illinois hit the nail on the head:
https://www.thevillagersvoice.com/ju...fternoon-case/ Amen, Judge McHaney. |
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Despite its relaxed response, Sweden is nowhere near to hitting that goal. Tests on 1,118 Stockholm residents carried out by Sweden's Public Health Agency over one week in late April showed that only 7.3% had developed the antibodies needed to stave off the disease. |
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Every major news organization is reporting 100,000. I'm sure you don't need me to list them. Even Fox. That you deny this is just bizarre: https://www.foxnews.com/health/us-co...l-exceeds-100k |
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Buying masks...
OK masks are now under the dumpster thread...
Went to two hardware stores. They had masks...Made in China. No thanks...And WTF? |
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