Virus Expert Just Said These States in Trouble
 

Too many threads about the virus! One thread is enough. If people have an interest they can see it there.

I've Never Used A Phone App
 

Hi TiltonBB,

I use a computer, so I can't quite understand what your talking about. I do know that by using a phone app that you can miss things on a webpage, however if only intersted in a thread, click on a thread you are interested in.

I'm not out here to create any problems, I leave that up to others.

Stay well,
Terry

We’re only allowed one thread on COVID in the section on COVID?

Didn't read the article, but the experts told us "15 days to slow the spread" and they have been wrong ever since....

When I go on this site I click on "new posts" to see what has been posted (about the Winnipesaukee area) recently. For the last year or so there have been several threads discussing, informing, ranting, about the same thing: Covid.

The opinions seem to range from "I am terrified, I will get vaccinated twice, get a booster shot, put on two masks, and hide under my bed, to I don't care about Covid, I am living my life like normal.

Sure, it is easy to skip all of them if someone is not interested but it would be easier if everything about the same subject were posted in the same thread.

It would probably be easier for those who love to read about Covid if all of the many posts were in one place too.

That is just my opinion, I am sure there are others.

They are all in the same Covid forum. Since you can see the title, just bypass them.

Tilton BB, I have to disagree. This pandemic is one the most important events of our lifetimes. It is many faceted. I believe the Covid forum has received more posts than any other forum at this website over the last two years. That shows that people are very interested in this topic and they need an outlet for discussing it. Asking people to post everything of interest, all news, etc. in one thread is impractical. It would result in an unfocused jumble. Are you actually just trying to say that Trfour is overposting? That's a matter of perception and opinion and up to the moderator to decide.

Or maybe you're saying you're sick of the whole topic of the pandemic. Well, New Hampshire is at an all-time high for infections. It's hard not to care when you think about the consequences of that.

I agree it's important, but multiple/daily new threads with singular links, most without commentary, is excessive—especially when the discussion that follows is neither productive nor positive nor Winni related.

I think it's time to have focused threads and get back to what the forum is supposed to be.

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Thinkxingu, with infections at a record high, we're still where we were two years ago: local people need up-to-date information and a place to discuss this incredible event. Many people don't feel comfortable at this point going to public places where they can have in-person discussions, so forums play an important role in connecting people. The issue you raise is, what are valid topics for a "Winnipesaukee" forum. Unless otherwise defined by the moderator, I would say whatever is on the minds of people in this area. The home page and FAQs don't say that all or most posts should be about the Winnepesaukee area.

Still, you make valid points, especially about links posted with no discussion. If would be nice if people would summarize the main point of a linked article. But the counterpoint is that we can just skip those if we wish. It's also possible to block all of a member's posts if you don't like them.

We all want all of this misery---the pandemic, the economy, politics, etc.---to be over. Communication and an exchange of information and ideas can contribute to that. People are people and we can't really control how often they post or what they post about, except for the forum owner/moderator.

Yes, Covid is still a thing, but if we're going to continue to beat dead horses, we should keep the beating to as few threads as possible. Clearly, others feel the same, and we've lost some members over this, so maybe it's time to simplify.

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If you think about it, it really isn't a dead horse.
Our society has the technology to change to a format that has less human interaction and travel... but just never seems to really go there.

I compare it to all the decades that I have heard we are going to become a paperless society... yet I am still surrounded by paper.

We just don't change. Many expected that this would simply be over with, they wouldn't need to do anything, and life would go back to what it was.

With any luck, more will come to realize... that is never going to happen.

A new variant, Omicron, worse than Delta, was announced today. So no, Covid isn't a dead horse. People in New Hampshire are ACTING LIKE we're not in a state of emergency, including the governor, who is contemplating calling out the National Guard to work in overwhelmed hospitals but is not thinking of going back to mandates for masks, vaccines, or social distancing or a lockdown. In other words, the governor sees the emergency and is trying to stop it on the outcome end (hospitals, where people are sick and dying) rather than the cause end (unvaccinated people spreading the virus). He's acting like we no longer have the emergency we had when he issued emergency orders in 2020, when in fact the emergency is far greater today than it was at that time.

There is no relationship between being tired of hearing about Covid and the actual size of the threat. As long as the threat continues unabated, as long is it's actually increasing, people will want to discuss it.

We've all been hoping silently that there would be no variants. I've always thought that seemed unlikely. Then we hope silently that our current vaccinations will be effective against the new variant. Then the question becomes, what happens to our immune system and the virus when we load up on vaccines every 6 months? All pressing issues, not dead horses, sadly.

Not really... we get a flu vaccine every year just before medical science suggests that we will have a wave of infection.

Flu actually changed our society, but since we have been with it from birth... we just don't notice the change.

There’s no emergency. It’s an infection. People who get it get sick then most people get better. Misery is an outlook. Live life and don’t engage in fear pornography.


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Information from a local media outlet that’s not MUR
https://granitegrok.com/mg_windham/2...njured-or-dies


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This is awesome: all the links in that article are either to Gateway Pundit, a super biased site, or, get this, Granite Grok itself.

Like, Granite Grok cites itself as a source. The last time I saw something as bad was when Red State wrote an article that quoted Twitchy (owned by same company) that had quoted, you guessed it, Red State.

So objective!

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Closed minds have a tendency to stay that way


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The facts speak for themselves!
 

Florida is reporting the lowest amount of coronavirus cases per capita in the nation after Gov. Ron DeSantis was widely criticized by media outlets for his handling of the virus.

The Sunshine State reported a daily average of 1,393 coronavirus cases as of Friday, six per 100,000, which was a two percent decrease over the last two weeks.

At the same time Florida reported the lowest amount of new cases in the country per capita, coronavirus cases are surging in many states where strict lockdown orders were issued by Democratic governors.

Michigan, where Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer imposed some of the most controversial restrictions in the nation during the height of the pandemic, leads the nation in daily coronavirus cases per capita.

The hope is that the states like Michigan and Minnesota who are experiencing a surge in cases will "learn from Florida's experience" and promote treatments that work as opposed to lockdowns which "we've seen time and time again" do not.

Florida appears to be ahead of everyone. Do wish more individuals would do some research for themselves


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Beware of fake news
 

Watch out for news from GraniteGrok and especially the Gateway Pundit that Grok points to. Both are part of the fake news propaganda machine that grab nuggets of truth, then use common logical fallacies to weave a curtain of falsehoods. Using their logic, one could claim that drinking coffee or living in the lakes region causes all the ailments and deaths experienced there. Degree of causality is not part of the databases referenced, yet a high degree of causality is assumed by the articles. Check out Reuters's take on it to get a mainstream opinion.

Watch out? Not sure what you mean. Listen to others and read what others have written and determining for yourself should always be the correct way. Can we get back to Florida’s success recovery from the virus


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The fact that you posted that without actually looking up to see it was (at least partially, I've not finished with it) objectively false is exactly what you're claiming others do. The false part, by the way, is that the countries cited did not stop the vaccine, they put it on pause for a period for certain ages (and some didn't even do that). It took 30 seconds to discover the first false claim, so I didn't bother with the rest.

I'm equally critical of both sides, but the conservative ones posted here are just so ridiculous sometimes.

As for Florida, natural immunity will begin to bring the rates of death between blue and red states closer, but long-term efficacy of natural immunity is questionable.

Side note: the first, non-vaccine, year, deaths were similar between blue and red states because population levels of blue cities equaled lockdown/mask-resistant red cities. The second, vaccine, year showed a much greater disparity based on political lines.

Ultimately, though, we'll really only know what the "right" decision was years from now.

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They aren't conservative.
You are mistaking Republican for conservative... they are not one and the same.

“Natural immunity is questionable” Millions of years of evolution says differently


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Well, except for all those other diseases and viruses that would maim, paralyze, or kill us without treatment.

You know, like hepatitis, mumps, measles, rubella, tetanus, meningitis, polio...

How's natural immunity doing with those?

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Here’s a related article: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...kless-florida/

Sometimes the facts are just what they are. And sometimes, people still refuse to believe what is true!

Florida is in it outdoor mode, while Michigan is moving to the indoor mode.

That isn't new. They have seen it on every cycle.

What the concern is of each Governor is not the new cases, it is the hospitalization rate and the damage to the economy. They have to work to balance those out.

Same with several of the federal vaccine mandates, socialized medicine through the VA, Medicare, and Medicaid plays a big part in federal costs. For the State of NH it acts as a higher percentage cost than other States, so the Governor takes notice... and even private employers are noticing it in their new health insurance rates.

If we had a million new cases in NH tomorrow, but no one went to the hospital or lost a single day of work... it would not be an issue.

Amid Michigan's fourth coronavirus surge, state health leaders issued a public health advisory on November 26, recommending everyone over the age of 2 wear a mask, regardless of vaccination status, when at indoor gatherings.
Businesses and other establishments were encouraged to put policies in place that require masks for all people who enter their buildings.

In the past week Florida has had 7 new Covid cases per 100,000 residents. Highly masked Michigan has had 85 new cases per 100,000.

Again, the facts speak for themselves.

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"We insist that posts are relevant to the Lakes Region of New Hampshire."

Latest statistics show 86% of NH has at least one dose and 64% are fully vaccinated.
Seems to me that if the vaccine was working that new cases would be declining and not rising.

Ummm...two things: 1. that leaves over 1/3 of the NH population unvaccinated and 2. we've known that breakthrough infections can occur but that major symptoms and death are largely avoided. That still holds true—a quick search of the lit shows that the great majority of people being hurt by Covid are unvaccinated.

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Just because something is logical, doesn’t mean it’s true.

IMO, part of the answer is there is significant evidence that the vaccinated can pass on the virus even if they are asymptomatic. This, again IMO, is the reason that the value of the vaccine is to prevent death and hospitalization. And it most certainly does. But the vaccine has less effect on transmission.

This is not a reason to be unvaccinated. The risk of death and hospitalization is much greater in the unvaccinated.

And the other reality is we still don’t know everything about the virus. And the statistics are also dependent on the various rates and kind of testing and reporting available. Reality is rarely simple.

A study conducted in the UK shows the opposite:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202...vid-deaths-uk/

For those quick to “debunk” any information found in a conservative outlet, a link to the actual study can be found in the article.

Actually, if you read the study that gateway pundit misinterprets and misrepresents, it says nothing of the sort that you are suggesting. The conclusion of the report is that vaccines are safe and effective.

I’ve avoided discussion some of these issues on the forum, but “in for a penny…..”

The statement has been made on these forums that:

Everyone should do his own research and draw conclusions as to what is best for him. ( substitute gender neutral,if you wish).

Absolutely nothing wrong with this position, BUT…

I don’t know squat about winterizing cars, the best kind of dock, the best roof material, Ford or Chevy and the forum has been unbelievably helpful in these relevant Lake discussions. But even after reading the helpful responses, I still am not really able to “do the research and draw conclusions” simply because I don’t have the background to understand some of the discussion and I don’t really know the accuracy of the informants, MOST of whom do seem to be knowlegible.”

On the other hand, I do have the background to understand the issues concerning Covid and I can read the original literature and make decisions based on this. And the other part is there are a lot of things that are not clear and are still unknown. Even experts need to understand enough to make the best decisions. And there should always be open mindedness about points of view.

When we go to the doctor we , hopefully, are given a diagnosis and an honest discussion of what is best for us. And we do ultimately make our decisions based on the doctors advice and either a second opinion or other valid sources of information.

The problem, as I see it with Covid is that the idea that “I’ll do my research and make my own decision and no one can tell me what to do.” has been so politicized as to make it just not reasonable. What kind of medical research has the pro basketball player done to justify not getting vaccinated? Or the master mechanic? Or, on a different subject such as winterizing, does a jerk like me decide who doesn’t even know what a battery tickler is?

End of rant.

Replace the Covid subforum with a Neighbor Helping Neighbor forum
 

Thank you very much for this information. I did search the FAQs and didn't find those specific rules.

Are you saying that COVID-19 is not an appropriate topic for this website? If so, why is there a Covid forum?

Or are you saying that Covid topics are OK but they should pertain specifically to the Lakes Region? In that case, why haven't non-Lakes Region Covid threads been removed?

I see numerous threads that aren't related to the Lakes Region in, for example, home maintenance and automotive. I would hate to see those threads go as I've personally benefitted from members' expertise in those subforums.

I would be in favor of restricting the Covid subforum to Lakes Region topics of a practical nature like "Where can I get a vaccination in Gilford?" My reasons:

(1) It would end the spread of false information, like pandemic denial, that is a threat to public safety.
(2) Seeing the dark underbelly of human nature displayed in the Covid forum is depressing. I assume that the Winnipesaukee forum was originally intended to be uplifting. The Covid subforum is a downer.
(3) The Covid forum has driven a wedge between people.
(4) It projects a negative image of people in this area.

I would not like to see more policing of other subforums for Lakes Region content. If I live in the Lakes Region (I do), own a house here (I do), and have a home maintenance problem that forum members can answer, it's very valuable for me to be able to access their expertise. Members have also expressed that answering such questions is something they like to do. Contrary to the Covid subforum, the home maintenance and automotive forums have brought people together.

Along these same lines, I would really like to see a new subforum called Neighbor Helping Neighbor. Not everyone in the Lakes Region is well to do or has ready access to necessary services. Some are senior citizens, live alone, are in poor health, etc. A Neighbor Helping Neighbor subforum would allow people to ask for what they need and others to offer whatever they have to share (expertise, time, labor, things they no longer need and want to rehome).

Wouldn't that be much better than trading insults in the Covid subforum?

I do not think the webmaster is looking to stop you from posting... such that covid is a local issue.

Unfortunately covid, even in South Africa, has become an issue for the Lakes Region.

Because it was sent from corporate on Wednesday, and my local manager was not in, I didn't see the new situation that every employee in communal areas will need to be masked until future notice... if only for a minute or two. I didn't realize it until I made a transfer to Meredith... their manager had worked over the weekend so they were all made aware.

So Monday, I am masked regardless of vaccine status... and I have seen a lot of customers with masks... so it does have some effect in the area.

Anddd here you go: https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...g-death-more-/

Do you even read the articles you post? As Newbie pointed out above, the (factual) study is grossly misinterpreted by The Daily Expose, a conspiracy-theorist website, is the source of the quote that The Gateway Pundit, also a conspiracy-theorist website, quotes as "evidence."

Here's a nice graphic that might help you.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...a80e5547c0.jpg

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