I agree Flying. If a number of people did indeed get sick, then they got sick. No one died. Life is risky. Thankfully we can try to outweigh the risk with reward. Here’s to people congregating in person and on the forum. [emoji3]


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But we don't get to manage our own risk, it gets done for us in countless ways.

He gave a few great examples of what people can do before Christmastime.

https://www.today.com/health/health/...idays-rcna7627

I meant the collective nature of our society.
A lot of them are screaming about independence and personal freedom, almost sounding like a corporation that wants to privatize the profits and socialize the costs.

When costs in society rise briskly... society strikes back.
At a certain point, our Governor is going to go from being concerned to actually scared. It will not hit the legislators as quickly, they don't have as much information... or even the ability to absorb it intellectually.

Those socialized costs in Medicare, Medicaid (50% owed by the State), Veterans medical care, and every government worker from the federal/State/local level having increased medical insurance premiums.

Those all require tax dollars.

Today's numbers:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/le...edgdhp&pc=U531

Holy ****. 1 out of every 289 residents dead in some states.

Yeah just a F’n flu.

Update
 

Too much we still don’t know.

A few days ago, we had an almost cordial discussion about an Atlantic article, pointing out that school openings seemed to be going well (with mitigation efforts) and no serious Covid problems. Then yesterday or the day before an article on NHPR about what industries are driving the uptick in NH and a graph and the article using NH data attributed the current spike almost exclusively to school spread. Not nursing homes, not jails, not other industries or sites.

Stay tuned.

Yes. The uptick in numbers here in NH are a result of the states successful testing protocols. The positive numbers were always here, just not identified. Now everyone has access to a home test kits delivered for free thought the state. However, did you know many schools and businesses refuse to accept negative results from the free home test kit. Will accept your positive results, but not a negative. Want to give the Governor his dues for getting these tests out, but if schools or work won’t accept it’s results what are we left with. Just more waste


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I believe most schools in MA have "test and stay" models—is that not the same for NH?

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What bugs me is that we all hear from the White House, Fauci, et al that we need to be vaccinated and get the booster. Ok, I get that. NH says get hte booster. But the entire process is left to a few sites with ZERO dates and times available. I have not heard NH is restarting the mass vaccination sites for booster. Remember, it takes as long to get a booster as it does a full shot. So now we are faced with a need to boost, but nothing being done to accelerate the process. Pharmacies are doing maybe 4 shots per hour....in 8 hours that is 32 +/-. Look around...there are not many sites. We will never get there at this rate. Where are the LEADERS???????? All I hear is baloney.

Can’t agree more. Let me add the states booster blitz in NH is scheduled for Dec 11? 10k shots total. Why are we waiting two more weeks if this is such a threat? Also, over the past month Sununu has asked us all to get the important booster now. But, he has not. He told us all this past week he is waiting for the blitz. So deadly so important why is he waiting until then? Just asking a few questions over coffee


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Each school district in NH handles cases differently. One example is Merrimack won’t except the at home results test. Bedford will. Same test.


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Here's the large site program you're looking for, with sites in Laconia, Rochester, et al: https://www.governor.nh.gov/news-and...-booster-sites

Also, make sure to Google your local pharmacy. My booster at CVS took just a few days to schedule and a few minutes to receive. Just that one store was doing 300/day!

Charlie Baker reported last week that the testing Think describes is working extremely well, and has saved 140,000 "sick days" for kids in Mass (maybe that's 20,000 kids tested negative who would have each missed 7 days of school?)

I thought this delay in availability was exaggerated. I just tried all the pharmacy’s in the lakes region and it is WORSE then you stated . First on line appointment was the 18 th ! That’s nuts ! You can get one Tuesday if you drive down to Nashua . Here in Florida I can walk into any Publix and get one right away.
You are getting the short end of this one !

Agree, however here in NH as I noted earlier, many school systems won’t accept your negative home test results. Must be verified from a acceptable lab. Which means another swap and wait time


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Deadly for those that do not have the initial vaccination. For those with the initial vaccination, but not boosted, they are noting an uptick in hospitalization.
Hospitalizations are what get the government to react, as they have direct impact on their budgets.

They hear the private sector screaming about labor shortages... but that has so many factors out of their control that they have to just ignore them.

Last Thursday, my wife and I looked online and called around. While (then) Hannaford Meredith said the earliest appointment would be Dec 18, the Meredith Rite Aid said they were doing walk-ins for an hour that day and 9-5 Friday. We got to the Rite Aid just after 9 on Friday, and already there were quite a number of people ahead of us. But we filled out the forms, provided the prior vax cards, and waited. I had brought a foldup chair for my wife and a book for me, in anticipation. After a while I followed the example of others who had upended those low, wheeled shopping baskets to use as a seat. It took us about two and a half hours, mostly waiting and reading, but we got it done.

At first it did seem that they were progressing slowly through the collection of people we knew were ahead of us, but then things really picked up. Before the time they got to ours, it seemed that they were doing one every five minutes or even faster, and that's about as long as it took for mine - go in, sit down, answer a couple of verifying questions, jab, bandaid, out. Five minutes would be 12/hr, or nearly 100 in an 8-hour day. This had to be tiring for the lady doing the shots, moving people through so quickly and over a long day, and we appreciated her efforts.

Still, to cover 10,000 people getting first, second, or booster shots in a day would take on the order of 100 such sites at one person doing the shot per site (plus support people to collect sheets, organize things, etc.), or 10 large effort sites with 10 jabbers each. Larger efforts likely would take more support people to manage the logistics, plus extra jabbers to give them regular breaks.

So, if you do decide to do a walk-in, and can find a site doing it, go early, bring a chair, and a good book.

The pharmacies down here in Dover are doing a lot more than 4 per hour. They are pumping them out.

I did a walk-in last week at Rite-Aid, they take a limited amount daily between 2-3pm. Walked in at 1:45pm, signed up and was out the door by 2:05pm with my booster. She said take 15-30 walk-ins per day.

Connecticut
 

"Over 85% of the state's population has gotten at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, according to federal data. The "overwhelming majority" of those who are getting infected are unvaccinated, Lamont said. More severe cases are also largely in those who are unvaccinated; of those currently hospitalized, over 76% are not fully vaccinated, according to state data".

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

You spelled "24% of those currently hospitalized in CT with Covid are fully vaccinated despite the state having 72.9% of the population fully vaccinated." wrong.

Woodsy

If 100% of people were vaccinated, 100% of the hospitalizations would be vaccinated people.

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Thats my point....

Its not a surprise to anyone that the majority of people in the hospital are unvaccinated... they use the 76% number as a scare tactic.

The important number is the 24% of the people in the hospital are fully vaxxed!

Currently CT has a population of 3.565M... of that population, 2.598M are vaccinated, so just under 1M (966,115) people are unvaxxed. They currently have 525 people hospitalized with Covid... so 126 of those are fully vaxxed!

Its easy to skew numbers to scare people...

Woodsy

It's always been about fear. An article came out 2 days ago entitled "COVID-19 - a Pandemic of Fear ‘Manufactured’ by Authorities: Yale Epidemiologist". Coincidently, Yale is in Connecticut.

It looks like that quote was part of an Epoch Times interview, for anyone looking.

I mean, I think he's right, though I also think it wasn't as terrible as it sounds. We're approaching 800k deaths with incredible mitigation measures—what would that number be otherwise?

That being said, I've always thought there was a middle ground we were never able to achieve, not unlike our political state as a whole.

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I'm not sure that any of this scary to anybody, or why you think it's noteworthy that there are 126 vaxxed people in the hospital. The numbers in your post show that an unvaxxed person is about 8.5X more likely to end up in the hospital than a vaxxed person

Because it never hits home until the hospital bill comes due.

As was pointed out below.... I was schooled! My apologies

Woodsy

I don't mind people teasing me with laugh emojis, "new math", etc when I've made a mistake. That's all in good fun. But you've got a bit of egg on your face here.

If you read both of your posts again, you will see that you've flipped the numbers. In your first post you noted that 24% of the hospital patients are vaxxed, but in your second post, you say that 76% of hospital patients are vaxxed. Oops

If you do the math again using your original numbers, you will see they suggest an unvaxxed person is 8.5X as likely to end up in the hospital.

Covid-19 in Mass.
 

" "We, right now, have more patients in the hospital, overall, than we have had at either of the two peaks previously. You come in one day and you say this is the worst we've ever seen it and you come back the next day and it's even worse. This is very concerning, what's going on right now," UMass Memorial Health Care President and CEO Dr. Eric Dickson told during an interview ABC News Wednesday."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

For now,
 

These 6 States Have Half of All COVID Hospitalizations in the U.S.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

New York
 

"New York enacted a mask mandate at the beginning of the pandemic in April 2020 that lasted more than a year. The new mask mandate applies to both patrons and staff and will be in effect from Monday to Jan. 15, after which the state will reevaluate."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ne...edgdhp&pc=U531

There's a lot of info here ...... http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...vid-cases.html ..... all about New Hampshire ....."How trends have changed in New Hampshire" ...... updated Dec 12, 2021 ...... hopefully it can be seen without a pay wall?

Another grim Covid-19 milestone: At least 800,000 Americans have died.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...covid-rcna8380

WASHINGTON (The Hill) — An Oxford University study published on Monday found that two-dose COVID-19 vaccines generate a lower antibody response against the omicron strain, suggesting that the variant could lead to more infections among the fully vaccinated and previously infected.

Fauci: ‘If it becomes necessary to get yet another boost, then we’ll just have to deal with it’.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531

The CDC briefing Tuesday detailed two scenarios for how the omicron variant may spread through this country. The worst case scenario has spooked top health officials, who fear a fresh wave, layered on top of delta and influenza cases in what one described as “a triple whammy,” could overwhelm health systems and devastate communities, particularly those with low vaccination rates.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/om...edgdhp&pc=U531

Gov Chris Sununu and Dr. Benjamin Chin, state epidemiologist: Dec 16, 2021, 3-pm; NH PBS .... live video briefing and NH covid data .... http://www.wmur.com/article/new-hamp...graph/36731268 ....... this starts at 3:13 and it goes to 53:50 .....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meTHSBHzLwQ ..... make your own assessment and plan to get vaccinated? ..... 55.5% of NH is fully vaccinated, is what it says.

Say-hey ..... who me, worried? .... what me worry as Alfred E Neuman used to say in Mad Magazine ..... www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_E._Neuman ..... I got me 3rd vaxx back in Sept and will be going for me 4th vaxx, asap pdq ..... so yeah, I'm worried! .... "after all, it takes at least four balls to get a walk to first base!" ... Yogi Berra

Dr. Anthony Fauci warned that the next few weeks will see severe stress on hospital systems as the omicron variant is "raging around the world."

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...world-rcna9293

Dr. Fauci Just Issued This "Unprecedented" Warning.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...edgdhp&pc=U531