We have had mandates before Russia ever became communist.

If your employer requires it, you make the choice to no longer be employed by them.

To be truthful... I think this is all a very slippery slope. I firmly believe it should be up to the individual or in the case of children the parents when it comes to medical decisions and especially getting this particular vaccine. This is not a vax in the traditional sense where they use a live/dead virus. While the research into MRNA technology has been going on for awhile, this is still a brand new technology when it comes to actual use in humans. This is a vax that was developed/"tested"/released in under a year... that is crazy fast when it comes to medical approval for ANYTHING! IMHO, the law of unintended consequences will eventually rear its ugly head.

I am very skeptical when a government uses the excuse "common good" when it comes to anything... especially something as critical as a vax. I am even more skeptical when the government had the Covid DNA mapped in January 2020... IMHO, this is a man made "gain of function" virus, hence the rapid mutations. Up next Delta+

I can dive way deeper, but I will just say that if the vax was that effective we would not be seeing an almost 30% so called breakthrough infections.

I don't think a persons employer has ANY right to offer an opinion on an individuals medical decisions, for the same reasons stated above.

If a government can mandate this vax, they can soon start mandating/forcing lots of other health decisions in the name of "common good".

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The employer does not offer an opinion.
They set the terms of the employment agreement.

It is never ''opinion''; you either meet the standard or you don't.

In NH, we call it ''Employed-At-Will''.

The J&J COVID vaccine is a traditional vaccine. Old technology, just like generations of us have been required to get to go to school, camp, etc. So unless you're also asserting that Polio, Measles, Mumps, Rubella, Tetanus, etc are also a risk to our freedom; it would seem that you'd be good with J&J

You should do your research.... instead of buying into the ad campaign. The J&J vax is a "viral vector" vax. It is another new and relatively unproven technology. To date there is only 1 viral vector vax approved here in the US.... J&J! Only 6 total approved worldwide, 4 for Covid, 2 for Ebola.

Woodsy

Since I am the employer, it makes it simple I guess. [emoji12]. I’ll mandate there are no mandates and not continue this insanity towards socialism.

Wonder what would the left would be saying if a Trump administration mandated all this- think it would received the same welcome response ? You all know the answer whether it would be admitted nor not.

In Russia they call it "taking a week off with pay", Oct 30 to Nov 7, 2021, a Vladimir Putin method to stop the corona virus from spreading any worse in Russia.

How's about that, comrade! ..... :eek: ...... Wonder how much Russian rubles the Russians will actually be getting to stay home and not be working? ..... ;)

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Business/w...dered-80681257

This linked ABC report says that four of these days are already federal holidays which include Ground Forces Day, the Day for the Russian Army, on November 1.

Were I in a job that mandated vaccination to go along with the desires of our federal government and I din't want the vaccination I would absolutely let them fire me.

Quitting one's job might take away standing in subsequent litigation.

I chose to get vaccinated because at 63 I figured that getting covid might be rough for me.

I support those who choose not get vaccinated.

My pregnant daughter in law was advised to get the shot.

She declined.

I am concerned for my daughter who was vaccinated and is in her child bearing years.

These vaccines may help against covid but whatever else they do to SOME people has yet to be discovered.

Google "Thalidomide" if you are interested in how bad it can go.

TKD is right. And it is not freedom to potentially risk the health of others. It’s freedom to have autonomy over your own body.


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My guess is the Trump supporters would go along and the Biden would be protesting.

But it isn't the ends of the political spectrum that make decisions.

As an employer, if you are even large enough to fall under the mandates, then you have to make a decision as to what costs to your company.
Employers risk OSHA fines all the time; they also get pretty upset when the fines get imposed. They run the risk/reward ratio every day on dozens of decisions.

It's old enough for me. (Of course, mRNA was old enough for me, too, haha)

Here's more on viral vector vaccines, dating back to the 1970s

https://www.houstonmethodist.org/blo...hings-to-know/

This Biden supporter cheered Trump's initiative on the vaccines.

This employer thought it was a no brainer to require vaccines for all

If you put together everything that happened in this country in 2020, you would have to go back more than 50 years to find anything this traumatic in this country. In fact, I don't think the U.S. has ever had a more "apocalyptic" year than 2020 since its inception. There were 5 or 6 major crises happening simultaneously. It definitely felt apocalyptic to me personally and, I think, to people who took the time to understand what was happening, who got Covid-19 and feared dying, who lost loved ones to the virus, who lived in major hot spots like New York and heard ambulances 24 hours a day while bodies piled up in storage trucks, who witnessed the race riots, who listened to false accusations of a "stolen election" and watched our democracy melting down, who lost a job or a home, whose home burned to the ground during the wildfires, and who realized that we could do nothing about the climate crisis during that period of national paralysis and shock. Many people felt that there was no protection for them anywhere, not from the government, not from the police, not from the military in a time of government-sanctioned violence, abuse of power, and misinformation (formerly called "lies"). It was a feeling of horror and helplessness that I will never forget to my dying day. Apocalyptic, certainly.

Masks and indoor NH-lakes region pickleball?

Having been vaxxed three times, the last one in September, with the Pfizer vax at the Plymouth CVS pharmacy I have a sense on invincibility against the virus! Who me ...... no way ..... will never-ever happen what with three shots of Pfizer plus a flu shot as well?

So, the local indoor pickleball season has started up as of October 25 with pickleball venues typically happening at local town indoor gymnasiums and pickleballers, are aged about 55-82.

Should pickleballers be wearing masks while playing indoor pickleball? A good question? Nobody does wear a mask, so far, that I have seen, and the issue hasn't been discussed. If anyone wants to wear a mask at pickleball, it is their decision ......... so far?

Oh well, someone will probably need to actually catch the corona virus before pickleballers will start wearing masks ....... live pickleball or die! ..... ;)

Been vaxxed three times by the very efficient and professional pharmacy team at the CVS in Plymouth with no waiting around in a waiting line ....... so, What Me Worry ..... according to the old Mad Magazine! ..... I've been vaxxed ........ three times! ..... :laugh::eek::laugh:

By the way, and not that it matters as far as catching the corona virus while playing pickleball here in New Hampshire...... I am like the greatest pickleball player that ever lived since pickleball was first invented ...... the Novak Djokovic, Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Andy Murray of pickleball ....... ha-ha-ha! ..... :laugh:

Maybe the answer for improving the indoor air quality is to simply open a door at the back of the pickleball gym and let some fresh air flow inside the large indoor gym playing area. Hey ...... take a deep breath ...... that feels like fresh air!

“Climate crisis”. Lol.


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Wow this is overly dramatic and exaggerated .

Please don’t believe those stories about New York. I’m from there and have many friends that work in several hospitals. There was never bodies stacked up and overcrowding in limited circumstances. They have sent up the USS Hospitality and the Javits Center to handle overflow and not one patient was transferred to either facility.


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Interesting.

Which U.S. state has the lowest COVID-19 rate right now?

It’s not California, home of America’s strictest mask and vaccine requirements. Nor is it Vermont, even though 71 percent of residents there have been fully inoculated — the most in the country.

No, the state with the fewest daily COVID cases per capita is Florida.

Florida’s turnaround vindicates the hands-off policies of Republican Gov. (and likely 2024 presidential hopeful) Ron DeSantis, who spent his summer prohibiting local schools, businesses and governments from requiring masks or vaccination while emphasizing costly post-infection treatments such as monoclonal antibodies instead.

“DeSantis critics and the mainstream media remain quiet as Florida's COVID numbers drop,” read a recent headline on Newsmax.

NH is one of 5 states not to have a COVID-19 death under 17!
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Obligations
 

********** I have what is called obligations. **********

trfour, thank you for that last post. Being on this planet is a privilege, and we owe much in return.

Wait, the planet is female now? lol

If you “think” you’re born with rights? The Declaration of Independence weighs in on this one.

Indigenous? All who were born her are indigenous. I think the Cherokees were Indians.


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The planet has always had a feminine standing among the many cultures.

The Declaration of Independence tended to describe the hope and not the reality. It really didn't find any truth in the AoC or in the US Constitution. You could be born into slavery, so you really didn't have a right to life, liberty, or the pursuit of happiness.

''Indian'' was an adopted term because Columbus was looking for a western route to India. Citizens of India are actually Indians.

.... open the doors, & open the windows!
 

Open the doors, open the windows, and let the fresh air flow inside the room.

With some towns in N.H. requiring masks for indoor activities like public meetings, public school class rooms, and public community athletic games, it don't hurt none to open the doors.

Just let that fresh outdoor air flow inside the room to help alleviate the risk for catching the virus. Just take a breath, and it's spring time, cough-cough-cough, gaag .....awg ...... must be another case for contracting the virus. ..... :eek: .... cough-cough!

www.nhpr.org/coronavirus-updates ...... October 29, 2021

You’re right about citizens of India being Indians, hence the often used, more descriptive term American Indian.

People are endowed with rights at birth as described in the Declaration, but yes, more than 150 years ago some groups’ rights were abridged (liberty, not life). Thankfully the founding fathers provided the amendment process in the Constitution.

I’ve heard Mother Earth before, but not Mother Planet. I take your point though. [emoji3]


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They are called American Indians because it was discovered that Columbus did not land in India; hence it is still an inaccurate term.

And if a right was truly endowed by a creator, it could not be set aside for more than a century.
Any thing prescribed in the Constitution is simply the will of the super-majority. And yes, they could lose their life... a slave owner would not be charged with killing a slave.
In fact, if someone else killed them, the greater concern was not the murder, it was the loss of property and the service it provided - less a criminal problem, and more a civil one.

The Constitution's purpose was to replace the AoC providing more power to the federal government.
A lot of the changes have to do with one party or the other either trying to get into office or maintain their office.

Take for instance Social Security. No judicial review ever came before the Court, because FDR would simply pack the Court to get his way.
Legal, but unethical.
Same instance occurred when President Obama was denied a Senate hearing and vote on his nomination.
Legal, but unethical.

Same thing has been suggested by the Biden Administration... and it would be legal, but unethical.

I think that is why Franklin made his comment on the Republic; he knew it was more about the ethics of the citizenry than an unseen creator or words on paper.

Whether you need a Creator to be seen to believe He exists is a whole other conversation.

Of course it could be unrealized for more than a century, as it was and had been for millennia on five continents. Endowment does not equate with guarantee. Free will gets in the way. Here we are now, though, 155 years later, with most people living in the present.

FDR didn’t pack the Court. (I’m guessing you’re defining packing as adding additional members, which could only be done by an Act of Congress). He floated the idea but the pushback prevented it for obvious reasons.

I think Franklin’s comments were true and prescient but the words on paper remain as bedrock founding principles with a mechanism for improvement.


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There was no pushback. The Court decided not to take up cases related to SS benefit payments.
You can pack the Court without expanding its numbers; FDR just didn't have the option other than that.

The AoC was considered bedrock founding principles... it was the actual document that founded the United States of America. It also had the ability to be improved... but they chose to scrap it.

It provided too much liberty to the individual members.


Nothing in the fight against covid had been done without the underlying question of the economy. It really doesn't matter which party is in power... or for that matter... anything else.

You can’t “pack” the Court by replacing a justice who has died or retired. No where is it written that the Court must be balanced in their judicial philosophy or even political leanings. If there were to be six presidents in a row all of the same party, then the Court appointments would reflect that and by extension would be the will of the people.

The AoC was replaced because the states decided that more federal power was needed. The delegates from the states created the federal government, so it was their prerogative to refine it.

You’re right, the economy was and should have been a factor in the decisions surrounding the virus. I believe the tension there is where the great divide in public opinion lives.


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You pack the Court by using legislative means.
Whether you are expanding the number of seats, or denying a Senate vote until you have a nomination from a President of your own party... really the same thing.

The AoC was not refined, it was scrapped. And the States were not happy at first, which is why we had the first thirteen proposed amendments to the new document - ten of which became ratified.
To this day, most people don't realize the depth of the ties.
NH is going to discuss leaving, but all that would do is start the run on the banks, the foreclosure of mortgages, and a whole host of items that no one too the time to work through.

The economy was always the decision surrounding the virus.
The outside players couldn't see it, because the businesses wanted it that way. But anyone on the inside could put all the pieces together and realize just how bad things had gotten... and how bad things still are.

I meant the federal government was refined by the replacement of the AoC.

What do you mean by NH going to discuss leaving?

Also to whatever do you refer when you say how bad things had gotten . . . the economy or the virus?


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The economy and virus are tied together.
We have plenty of demand, just not enough labor.
And what is left of the labor force is feeling the strain.

I see what you mean now. Agreed.


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Keep an eye on this
 

Just more media drama, 2 years change is not worth noting, and for the vast majority of people, your quality of life past 75 drops drastically, and thats assuming you are lucky enough to make it that far.

Life span numbers should never be what we are focusing on, quality of life is whats most important.

And working yourself up over this is going to kill you faster than any pandemic.

Enjoy life and ignore the news, they have nothing to offer except drama and opinion, there has no legitimate news without drama since Huntley & Brinkley.

You can blame Walter Cronkite for the transition to all drama news, he invented it!

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I've forgotten what the original topic of this thread was. In any case, the New York Times is reporting today that Republicans are dying of Covid at a rate 3 times higher than Democrats because 40% of Republicans aren't vaccinated whereas only 10% of Democrats aren't vaccinated.

I can't imagine that any doctor is going to ask party affiliation or how they voted last and enter it into the medical records.

Also the death rate is relatively low, while the lost time rate is extremely high.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/08/b...d-america.html ..... the morning newsletter

NY Times, Nov 8, 2021: U.S. Covid Deaths Get Even Redder

Subscription probably needed to see it but maybe not?