Mask use in grocery stores
It seems like a smaller percentage of people are wearing masks in the Meredith Hannaford. At one point, it seemed that most everyone was, but recently I'd guess maybe only 70% of people are wearing one, and even the guy at the fish counter wasn't wearing one when he waited on me. It was under his chin.
From what I've read, mask wearing in enclosed public spaces can go a long, long way towards controlling this disease, but only if everyone complies. I hate wearing a mask, but for the short time I'm in the store, it's tolerable, and I feel more secure when everyone's covered up. People can choose for themselves how much they want to go into public, but grocery shopping is a necessity. I see people on the Forum asking why driving cars isn't banned, etc., because of the high death numbers. Well, you do have some control over driving your car. You don't have control over a contagious disease, especially when other people have decided not to care about public health. After the pain and suffering of the lockdown, it worries me that people may let this disease get out of hand again because they don't like wearing a mask. Especially as more people pour into town. (And I realize that some people can't wear one, but they are definitely in the minority). |
It's simply that people are getting tired of the restrictive nature of this, the first flu virus that the government has deemed to be a killer (as most viruses are in some way shape or form). Never in the history of the USA has our government (state and federal) forced its people to cower in fear of something they know nothing about. Just the fact that their "restrictions" and facts about the chinese virus change almost daily, is cause to a large part of the population to question their motives.
It's your choice to use a mask and another's choice not to. |
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I prefer to stick to Dr. Fraud's first recommendation - that masks are ineffective. You are feeding into and believing the hysteria generated by the media and social media. However, if you are scared and anxious, I recommend that you wear a mask to give you the feeling that you are being safe. As Hill stated, the rest of us are sick of the restrictions. Enough is enough. We have done our share. Let's get back to normalcy ASAP. Disappointingly, this will be impossible since the so-called pandemic has become a political issue. CNN reports that Chinese coronavirus cases are spiking in Georgia, Florida and Texas. Fake news. We learned that fighting the so-called pandemic is a joke when rioting and looting is encouraged. |
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not to mention that just the mere interaction of people causes colds and the like to spread all which have the same symptoms.
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Fox news weighs in on the surge: https://www.foxnews.com/health/flori...onavirus-cases |
Was in Hanford (Gilford) this morning and I'd say 95% mask usage (myself included).
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Usually proceeding on the side of caution is good advice...Why noy here?
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Unless it is a law, it is my decision to make whether to wear a mask, social distance, etc. I haven't worn a mask or social distanced. I've used common sense, and am doing just fine. When my mom came back from Florida, me and my family members have been careful around her since she is compromised. You seem to enjoy being treated like a child. I do not. The government hacks and politicians making the decisions for us have NO stake in the matter. None of them to the best of my knowledge have missed a paycheck. Dr. Fraud's government organization (NIAID) is guaranteed funding for the next 20+ years. The biggest political whopper (other than "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor" or "if you like your insurance, you can keep your insurance") is that we are all in this together. My son, who has been furloughed since the beginning of this nonsense, has suffered far more than the government hacks and the politicians. Small business owners have suffered far more than government hacks and politicians. And for what?! A failed social experiment, which proves that the American people do not value liberty. I am disgusted by all this. |
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at the risk of further beating a dead horse...
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The first paragraph explains why I contend the mask routine is pointless. Most people wear them wrong, touch them, touch their face, then their phone, then their wallet and key pad and everything else in sight and then back to their face to take the mask off again. All this aside from the size of a virus compared to the mesh of a paper mask or bandana. Because of all this I believe the virus has spread way more than any one realizes and it has not mattered much. |
because nowadays it's all about me, me me, and to hell with anyone else
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Anyone saying this is an invasion on their liberty should go seclude themselves in the woods and forage for food instead of putting others at risk. It’s that simple. |
I was in Sam’s Club in Concord this afternoon. It was 50/50 mask wearing. Most employees were wearing them but not all...
Lowe’s in Gilford on Monday was also 50/50... Dan |
For those who are so worried regarding others not wearing masks, why not wear your own properly fitted PPE protecting yourself? The supply chain has vastly improved on PPE and then you can go out in public fully protected. N95 mask, eye protection/face shield, gloves, fluid resistant gown, etc. It would be a bit of an inconvenience but no different than what you are asking of others. This should put you at ease. Then you will not have to worry about your own protection and not be requesting others to give up their individual liberties. Seems pretty simple for a win/win.
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I have always valued this website and its forums for useful insight on lake issues. I fully understand this “political” forum will consist of views I don’t agree with. But I don’t understand how this perpetuation of xenophobia can continue to be ignored on this site. |
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For people who like to call others sheep, they sure do all use the same script. |
I’m pretty sure Major doesn’t have an irrational fear of Chinese people, and hence is not xenophobic. Since it seems you’re one of those -ist and -ism people, please at least tell us that you understand that China is not a race.
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Xenophobia is the fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners, whereas racism has a broader meaning set including "a belief that racial differences produce the inherent superiority of a particular race." Although they are similar, they are different enough that it is possible for one to be both xenophobic and racist. So, yes, I do understand that China is not a race. |
Where in any of Major’s posts does he expressly or impliedly indicate either fear or hatred of strangers or foreigners, Chinese or otherwise? Where does he exhibit a belief that any race (N.B. Asian is also not a race) is superior to another?
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I presume the purpose is accuracy as to its place of origin, as has been the custom of nomenclature for scores of years, e.g. Spanish flu, Hong Kong flu, Asian flu, etc. The fact that you needed that explained to you reveals your way of thinking. We all know that you didn’t really need an explanation. You chose to ascribe a sinister motive to Major’s innocuous geographic designation. That says more about you than it ever could about him. Saying that someone is part of the problem is a sixth grade-level argument, as subsumed within it is a false presumption that there is a problem to begin with. You should be nicer and not infer bad things about people because they have different opinions than you. The problem that you perceive is internal to you, which is your prerogative, but you shouldn’t expect others to fall victim to groupthink.
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COVID-19, Covid-19, SARS-CoV-2, 2019 novel coronavirus, Wuhan-Flu, CCP Flu...
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previous “2019 novel coronavirus”) and the disease it causes. The World Health Organization has taken the responsibility to name the disease, but there's a huge asteri$k in the naming process. :eek2: |
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To answer your question, one of my law partners is from China and we have several employees from China. I will tell you what I have (or in some words) told them. I have no issues whatsoever with any people from any country. My experiences with ex-pats from China is that they are a warm, caring, humble, and smart (very smart for that matter) people, who came to the U.S. to escape communist rule. However, I detest with the hatred of a thousand suns the Chinese communist government. The one thing this so-called pandemic has taught us is that the U.S. should extricate itself from China and any other government who does not value freedom and liberty. Calling someone a racists shows that you have lost the argument. It shows the shallowness of your character and world views. I actually feel sorry for you. Peace |
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The mantra on this forum from many seems to be that we should have empathy for the business owners and workers that have been greatly affected. How about we have some empathy for our Asian-American friends, colleagues, and family, that have been the subject of harassment, and worse, which is only perpetuated by this type of language? But I suspect that many who see no issue with this type of language do not have close friends, colleagues, or family that are Asian (let alone Chinese) that have been directly affected by harassment and worse stemming from blaming the “Chinese” for a pandemic that has no borders. |
I think the bigger point has been missed here-
In MA, it is still "required" to have a mask on in public In NH, it is not -- simple- live "Free or Die" HOWEVER - Every major chain store in the country that I know of has issued a Company Policy that REQUIRES employee's to wear masks on the job! Thus, to Pam's original post - "even the guy at the fish counter wasn't wearing one when he waited on me. It was under his chin" This individual is simply being stubborn & should have been reported to store management (especially in light of the Counter he was working). I am sure the Store Manager would be horrified. On the other hand, I fully understand that wearing a mask all day is quite irritating -- but the employee should have backed away from the counter & taken a break- not serve a customer should that be his/her rationale. |
Here's a great test case that shows the value of masks in a setting that is as close as possible to a lab test--a hair salon with 2 infected stylists and no infected clients. Direct from the heart of Trump Country, it made believers out of skeptics similar to Major:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...lons-missouri/ |
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We get it, CowTimes, you’re just more virtuous than all of us. You presume that none of us have Asian friends or co-workers so you can feel even better about yourself. Do you have a quota of Asian friends with sufficient proportional representation among Vietnamese, Indian, Korean, Japanese, Chinese, Singaporean, Laotian,so that your circle of friends “looks like Asia”? If not, some might call you some type of -ist. Where in any of our posts can you point to a lack of empathy? You seem to read things that aren’t there. You should try to figure out why that is and fix it. As for the WHO and others who decry labeling the virus accurately, you should try to be less of a blind follower just to be in the crowd. People will still like you if you think logically, and not just reflexively jump on the bandwagon no matter how silly and discordant the song.
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Why are we so twisted about common sense words and labels for things? Some of the most unenlightened people I know are all PC about words, yet their actions betray something else. If we've gotten to the point where "Chinese Coronavirus" is offensive then we've lost our bearing as a society. People need to chill. Under no circumstances is Chinese coronavirus offensive. It is made up by the left to be offended by yet another thing. I refuse to buy into this type of group think. |
It's a freaking mask, people, worn for the limited time you're shopping in a public space. It's a sensible precaution that protects others and you against a really crappy, exceedingly contagious disease, which at this point doesn't really have effective treatment, never mind a vaccine.
You can get up in arms about the origins of the disease, your great loss of liberty, blah, blah, blah, but that's a different argument. Old people, compromised people often have no choice but to shop in the grocery store! Duh! Do them a favor, make the gigantic sacrifice, and put on the mask! If you're right and this is all much ado about nothing, then congrats, you get a gold star and have something to rant about. If you're wrong, then no harm done to the rest of us, hopefully. |
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Cow Times, why are you calling Major a liar? Is it because you just can’t imagine someone having the courage to talk like a normal person? You can’t believe that his Chinese co-workers don’t roam the office listening for words by which to feel offended? Such base nastiness you exude ...
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I might also remind people that Boris Johnson was quite cavalier about this disease, and then, according to his public statement, almost died. So you never know who's really vulnerable. |
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And oh by the way, it has been beaten to death, there is NO evidence that masks help. We were told by Dr. Fraud not to wear them. It is a feel good thing, just like metal detectors in airports. You my friend are the selfish one. |
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It’s sad that people would be do insecure as to change their choice of words or behavior because of how others claim to perceive those words or conduct. No one can control how others perceive things, and only the weak-minded people would “conform” because they want to be liked by those who despise them.
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“Social progress” is an amorphous term. Some would consider aspects of the decades-long societal changes to be regress. A lot of it has been good, but it doesn’t mean that people should prostrate themselves in self-imposed shame in the process.
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We've lost our way big time with our constant worrying about offending everyone. Newsflash - it can't be done, someone will always find/create a reason to be offended. The trick is not to let their problem affect you. |
Agreed. “Offend” in reality is not an active verb. One can’t offend someone. Instead, the listener has to feel offended, which is a choice. It’s the intent of the speaker that matters.
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It's crucial that businesses be able to reopen and thrive. We cannot have another lockdown. However, if the disease gets out of hand again, restaurants and other businesses will suffer, even if they stay open. A lot of people won't want to go out for dinner if they don't feel safe. If workers become sick, there will be major disruption. My point is that something simple, like the use of face masks in spaces where there are a lot of people, ie the grocery stores, etc. might be a simple way of preventing a resurgence to some degree. It can't really hurt, right? The Lakes Region is not an isolated rural community, particularly in the upcoming months when the population surges. Massachusetts is still reporting a couple of hundred new cases every day, and has had a total of 100,000+ confirmed cases with 7000+ deaths. If you doubt those numbers, you weren't seeing the Sunday Globe obituary section which ran to almost 30 pages for several weeks, something shocking that I had never seen before. My point in my posts is not to get into the politicization of this disease, but to point out that a small amount of vigilance might do us all a lot of good. That's it. |
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Unfortunately the mask is a symbol of the politicalization (if that’s a word) of the issue. We have had lots and lots of pandemics and communicable diseases over the past 100 years. Prior to this so-called pandemic we have never (1) quarantined healthy people and (2) been forced to wear masks. Those of us who are skeptical of our political leaders and government in general view this as an opportunity for the government to control the masses. In all honesty, humans are made to live in an unclean world and by doing all this we are going against Mother Nature. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Are you seriously arguing that the best way to move forward is to do nothing, to allow the virus to spread across the world unchecked, counting on some form of herd immunity once the last denizen of this planet is infected? |
For those not wanting to wear a mask in public places and complain about how small businesses are being hurt, you realize by not wearing a mask you are hurting the small businesses yourself. If people know masks aren’t being worn in establishments they are more likely to stay away, exactly what you don’t want if you support small businesses.
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The fact that you equate a mask with politicization of a pandemic as a basis to not undertake a simple step to protect fellow human beings is beyond the pale. I would never wish the virus on anyone, but if you get it, it’s good to know that you will refuse the hospital bed and ventilator and save those for someone who puts their faith in medicine instead - likely the 1-2 persons on average that you would have infected. |
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CowTimes why do you feel a need to incessantly berate people who disagree with you and who back up their position? Major’s accurate view of the symbolism of the mask is beyond the pale? Who’s pale? Your pale? Your level of self-regard on all things moral is unjustified. Making the logical leap from Majors logical position to concluding that he would refuse a hospital bed is puerile thinking. Did someone teach you to do this, and to think that it would fool people as a grounded argument as opposed to the fallacy that it is? You should think your ideas through before espousing them as if they were Gospel. You do realize that normal Americans don’t think like you, I hope.
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The measures taken today were proven effective on 1918
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"How some cities ‘flattened the curve’ during the 1918 flu pandemic Social distancing isn’t a new idea—it saved thousands of American lives during the last great pandemic. Here's how it worked." "The studies reached another important conclusion: That relaxing intervention measures too early could cause an otherwise stabilized city to relapse. St. Louis, for example, was so emboldened by its low death rate that the city lifted restrictions on public gatherings less than two months after the outbreak began. A rash of new cases soon followed. Of the cities that kept interventions in place, none experienced a second wave of high death rates. (See photos that capture a world paused by coronavirus.)" "In 1918, the studies found, the key to flattening the curve was social distancing. And that likely remains true a century later, in the current battle against coronavirus. “[T]here is an invaluable treasure trove of useful historical data that has only just begun to be used to inform our actions,” Columbia University epidemiologist Stephen S. Morse wrote in an analysis of the data. “The lessons of 1918, if well heeded, might help us to avoid repeating the same history today.”" "Shortly after health measures were put in place in Philadelphia, a case popped up in St. Louis. Two days later, the city shut down most public gatherings and quarantined victims in their homes. The cases slowed. By the end of the pandemic, between 50 and 100 million people were dead worldwide, including more than 500,000 Americans—but the death rate in St. Louis was less than half of the rate in Philadelphia. The deaths due to the virus were estimated to be about 358 people per 100,000 in St Louis, compared to 748 per 100,000 in Philadelphia during the first six months—the deadliest period—of the pandemic." https://www.nationalgeographic.com/h...V0H0cSRI5M-JJ4 |
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I will not apologize for calling a spade a spade. We are talking about wearing a mask, not forced vaccinations or institutionalization for quarantine. Major seems like a big boy that can (attempt) to defend his facially inconsistent positions. I don’t think he needs you running interference for him. |
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Proverbs 17:27; A wise man will be of few words: A fool may gain the reputation of being wise if he have but wit enough to hold his tongue
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Sometimes you cannot obviate fundamental truths with “difference of views.” We’re not talking about differences of opinion on the appropriate size of government, or bottoms up economics. These individual choices have actual consequences on others. You can rest easy, I am done with this thread. You can go back to your regularly scheduled Fox News programming for your talking points. |
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This is how divisiveness happens folks, you agree with us or (insert your favorite here, Fox news works). Shocking the direction it's coming from :) Just agree that you won't tolerate an alternate view on this, as that's the truth and there's nothing wrong with being honest. |
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1918 "It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world’s population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States. Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature of this pandemic." LINK COVID-19 is no different then the ordinary flu. Right? |
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What did we do in 2003 -- SARS? What did we do in 2009 -- H1N1 a/k/a Swine Flu? The point is we've had many, many epidemics since 1918, and what we are doing right now is unprecedented. |
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California issues statewide mask order
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This is not about the effectiveness or non effectiveness of masks....it's about "the government isn't going to tell me what to do." Do the people who don't wear masks also not pay their taxes? I live in the Pacific Northwest and we have loads of "preppers" out here....they buy land, build a house, put a gate across the driveway and hang up about 10 NO TRESPASSING signs. They won't even put their street numbers up...."I don't want anybody to know where I live"
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Consider One "Explosive" Sneeze...
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https://www.tampabay.com/resizer/0Qj...KADF3UJMUU.jpg (Text): Southern Bell Telephone and Telegraph operators during the Spanish influenza epidemic in Jacksonville, Florida. Nearly one-third of the city's residents contracted influenza, according to historian Gary Mormino. [State Archives of Florida, Florida Memory (1918)] |
When I wear a mask in public:
🔵 I want you to know that I am educated enough to know that I could be asymptomatic and still give you the virus. 🔵 No, I don’t “live in fear” of the virus; I just want to be part of the solution, not the problem. 🔵 I don’t feel like the “government is controlling me;” I feel like I’m being a contributing adult to society and I want to teach others the same. 🔵 The world doesn’t revolve around me. It’s not all about me and my comfort. 🔵 If we all could live with other people's consideration in mind, this whole world would be a much better place. 🔵 Wearing a mask doesn’t make me weak, scared, stupid, or even “controlled.” It makes me considerate. 🔵 When you think about how you look, how uncomfortable it is, or what others think of you, just imagine someone close to you - a child, a father, a mother, grandparent, aunt, or uncle - choking on a respirator , alone without you or any family member allowed at bedside. |
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Why do you always try to inject politics into these discussions? |
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Unfortunately, it has everything to do with politics and strongly held political beliefs. Nothing wrong with discussing politics but at least label it as such. |
"In" before the "Zot"...
The Leftists have angled ALL the headlines towards November. :(
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Reading your post made me think of this -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXZeq9eXAys Anyway, I have sneaking suspicion that you and Neville Chamberlain would have gotten along famously. |
politics and masks
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You are 100% correct. I don't know the stats but can pretty much guarantee you 90% of the anti mask group are Trump supporters who clearly have zero regard for science. Oh, and Major's persistent noting Dr "Fraud's" mask comments was an obvious attempt to justify his idiocy or ignorance. Fauci's comments were recorded when masks were in short supply and made so as to mitigate a run on them so that there would be an adequate supply for health professionals. So here's the science; masks are the number one way to help stop a virus from spreading. This is so well accepted in science as to be fact. To the extent people in closed spaces are not using masks they are being selfish and rude. Personally, I don't give a damn if you want to put yourself at risk but when you put me and my family at risk, then that's a problem. That said, I know you dimwits will not change your behavior. If our illustrious POTUS doesn't need to wear a mask why should I? |
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I'd like to go out to eat and see my friends. I want the economy to come back strong. A resurgence in the disease threatens that. I want this all to be behind us and carelessness in society threatens that. |
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Isn’t that the correct political definition of hoax...true, but not acceptable? Like the “Chinese Virus” hoax which isn’t any different from the flu. We believe what we wish to believe, what’s truth got to do with it? |
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That is a matter of personal principle. Ok....but it has nothing to do with science or medicine. Saying “I won’t wear a mask because it does not work” just is not defensible. And some of the stuff on the Internet is put on there by foreign interests precisely to divide us. No more from me...I have to talk to the Instacart shopper. |
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I am so sick of the science and facts arguments. If there are science and facts involved, and you are so confident that quarantining, social distancing and masks work, please answer for me -- How many lives have been saved as a result of quarantining a/k/a destroying our economy? How many lives have been saved because of social distancing? How many lives have been saved because of wearing masks? How many cases of Chinese coronavirus have been prevented as a result of quarantining a/k/a destroying our economy? How many cases of Chinese coronavirus have been prevented because of social distancing? How many cases of Chinese coronavirus have been prevented because of masks. You can't answer any of these questions. There will never be any way of knowing. For all we know, these actions may have made the situation worse. All we know is the raw data which is as follows: Worldwide cases of Chinese coronavirus - 8,621,747 U.S. cases of Chinese coronavirus - 457,338 Worldwide deaths attributable to Chinese coronavirus - 2,265,400 U.S. deaths attributable to Chinese coronavirus - 120,723 *from Worldometer By contrast the Swine flu, which was not accurately tracked, resulted in the following estimates: Worldwide cases - 700,000,000 to 1,400,000,000 U.S. cases - 43,000,000 to 89,000,000 Worldwide deaths - 284,000 to 575,000 U.S. deaths, 8,870 to 18,300 *from Wikipedia From the raw data, an argument exists that what we did in the U.S. caused more deaths than if we had handled it the same way as the Swine Flu. Clearly, given the average age of death from the Chinese coronavirus (82), we did a poor job in protecting the elderly. Anyway, the raw numbers do not support our over-the-top response. Destroying tens of millions of lives for what? In the meantime, I'd appreciate answers to my first questions if you have them. |
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For the record, within my circle of friends, none and I mean none of us believe in this nonsense. You should know in fact there is a silent majority who are fed up and on the verge of rebellion. The day is coming (November 3rd) when this will be evident. We are sick and tired of overreaction to Chinese coronavirus and rioting and looting and all the other divisive nonsense. I am mildly amused by my statement "within my circle of friends." I have a vision of Pauline Kael who famously stated "Nobody I Know Voted For Nixon!" But you get the point, I hope. |
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