2 face charges for running snowmobiles on lake
 

I couldn't decide where this belongs...I know it can't go under speed limit because there are no speed limits for snowmobiles...so I put it here. Maybe we need a new listing....Boneheads! :laugh:

Think this will show up on YouTube? Click HERE to see what I'm talking about but do it soon, it's from Boston dot com and I don't know how long it will remain there! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

So, does he need a boating certificate? :D

Here is a WMUR link.
http://www.wmur.com/news/16796286/detail.html
I imagine that many charges can and will be leveled but the scary part is the danger they may have put others in.

When they go skimming over some open water in spring, they get a head start on some good ice.
Where'd these boneheads get a head start for speeding out on Lake this time of year? Some open grass on land?

The people involved should be listed as never obtain the boating certificate, along with their other fines & penalties!

Airwaves,

Just wondering, did he ride his Snomobile all the way from Wolfboro?

There is a MAXIMUM Speed Limit on ALL LAND TRAILS of 45 mph. The speed limint for Lakes and other Bodies of Water is that good old "Reasonable and Prudent" phrase.

You know this only kids being kids. They were just having fun.

I checked our clubs database and thank GOD he is not a member.

As for where to put this thread I think it stands alone unto itself.

I you do not mind I would like to post you account of this on the Snomobile folder.

WINNOCTURN

I missed the beginning of the video report on WMUR, but there were images of the beach/penninsula by Meredith Moorings Condos and the "yacht club". I saw enough that they must have got a head start on the grass coming down hill from parking and over sand beach and the Lake.

In addition to loosing boating privileges, I hope they loose snow machine registrations. What license is required for snowmobile operations? If any, that ought to be forfeited as well. There are often small children at that beach!!!

That area of Meredith Bay is also a NO WAKE ZONE!!! Look at it on your charts!

I thought the speed limit is 45?

No Speed Limit On Winni -- Yet!
 

I am referring to Winnocurn's reference of snowmobile speed limits on the trails, he mentions 35 but I think it's 45.

I can't imagine it. But this is not the first time he has been in trouble. I don't know what is in his head. I feel sorry for his parents.

I know this kid from Wolfeboro. He is a newspaper headline waiting to happen. Sad actually. Hopefully he will wake up someday and decide to grow up before he becomes a statistic.

EricP,

You are correct. Typo on My part. I have trouble seeing the keys without my glasses.


WINNOCTURN

Why is this thread off to discussing speed limits on trails in winter and then speed limits on Lake?

This incident was in a NO WAKE ZONE, in a populated area over land & water.
And in areas where children are most likely unable to protect themselves.

LET'S ALL QUIT SPECULATING AND WATCH THE 11:00PM NEWS.

Thank you.......

Edit: Would one in their right mind drive their jet craft off the Lake over a beach where kids might be working on their sand castles, up the hill to parking lot to put the craft on your trailer? I SINCERELY HOPE NOT. This idiot should not have had his hands on any water (liquid or frozen) craft in this incident!

I don't get the reference to children. Why is it any time something "bad" happens the fear mongerers through out some reference to chidlren as if to make the incident seem worthy of death by firing squad? These 2 guys did something very stupid and will pay whatever penalties levied on them, plain and simple. No need to sensationalize things.

OK, I see your point. I just saw the clip on TV, and I am very familiar with the location as I used to live very near the pictured spot. The witness said down the hill, across the lawn, across the beach and in to Lake, and out 2.5 miles. The beach had people present. As I wrote before, there is a hill down from the parking at Meredith Moorings; there is lawn from there to the beach; there are several boats moored off the beach, which is between the 3-story building and the yacht club docks.

I am quite familiar, as I grew up in a boating family, where we were taught respect for other boaters and the water. My mind has recently been negatively influenced by video on a blog, depicting no clue of the severity of possible accidents by stupid actions concerning safety on the water.

Wish I could figure a way to link to that fellow's video; says he has a MOB (man over board) button on his console, but does not know what happens if he presses the button, when some one falls overboard. Does it throw a flotation device out? Does it take engine out of gear? Does it just sound an alarm? These people have no knowledge.

Sorry, this story has no relation to the stupid actions of these snow machine users on/near the Lake in summer!

Actually,it kind of cracked me up.Can you imagine ....hanging out on the beach and a snowmobile flies by.ERICP is right....every time someone wants to exaggerate a point,they refer to the 'poor little children".

Hard to believe....
 

Two snow machines spotted in a driveway along Weirs Blvd, as we were proceeding southbound. Not on a trailer, or covered for the off-season.
Almost as if people were intending to attempt a stunt!

????
 

I suppose it would be foolish to wonder if alcohol was involved? :laugh::D:cool:

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't there TWO snowmobiles involved? One operator was identified but the other was not! Why NOT? Someone related to someone?

So one person was identified But not a word about the second!

Hmmmmmm Makes one wonder doesn't it?

Just for chuckles I looked up the snowmobile regulations...the 45 MPH speed limit is for trails not posted...TRAILS... Since Lake Winnipesaukee is not a trail, even during the winter, then no speed limit applies to snowmobiles. (WINNFABS take note they can operate on the water at unlimited speed endangering summer camps and your islands!)

I thought it was hysterical watching the TV news when this guy in Meredith kept saying over and over again that the snowmobile violated the NO WAKE ZONE! Are you kidding? !!!!!!

Since froggy brought it up a couple of times on the forum I wonder if froggy made his TV debut?

For discussion sake, what will this hoodlum (according to Puckster and tis) from Wolfboro and the unnamed second person actually be charged with that is illegal and will stick in court?

I woulda been laughing my butt off...especially when they sank. Dumba$$es.
Here, hold my beer, and watch this! :emb:

A new perspective! Would a snow machine make a wake? I don't know, but I have long time ago observed the skimming at Weirs in late winter. I really do not recall a wake when it was planing! Interesting thought.

"down the banking, lawn and beach". Go look at site and you will see exactly the route under discussion.

This morning's Citizen article does not discuss any safety issue. Actually a very cursory mention, nothing like Chan 9. YES, no naming of the second person.

I am in Gilford, and plan same Weirs Blvd route, and will try to see if machines are still sitting on asphalt driveway - looking for street number!

I may be overreacting with the nautical issue, but that's what I was taught as a child and young adult in a "yacht club" and sailing environment in an ocean community. I have been in Lake Winni area for 30-ish years and seen such recklessness and lack of respect on Lake; well that's true elsewhere such as ski slopes and highways! Of course there are lots of great people!

I'm not sure if this is true or not. If it's true then I'm confused because as I was traveling down Meredith Bay this Winter by snowmobile (doing ~35MPH) I looked to my right and, hiding behind a bobhouse, there was a F&G Warden clocking me and my riding partner with a radar gun.

I don't think there would be much wake, and headway speed for a snowmobile is probably 30 or 40 mph on water, a good lawyer could probably make the arguement that the snowmobile was at headway speed.:coolsm:

As far as I know rules do apply about speed w/in a certain distance of bobhouses.

I really hope it makes it to Youtube
 

The Citizen said the MP and F&G didn't believe the two incidents were connected. Now how is it possible that Darwin gifted us with two such inspired individuals on the same day in the same area and they weren't connected?

It's possible the other moron was a juvenile, or that the MP, F&G, and MPD are having so much trouble mentally processing the stupidity that they've lost touch with the media:D

They may have been clocking you, but did you get pulled over and/or a ticket issued? If not, then you were not breaking any rules.

I knew I wasn't breaking any rules. I was under the impression that the lake speed limit was the same as the non-posted trails...45 MPH. I was doing 35 MPH.

Some posters are saying there is no snowmobiling speed limit on the lake and I'm asking that, if this is true, why are they hiding behind bobhouses with radar guns?

So...it's very clear. These poor kids did not violate ANY laws.The did not create a wake and they did not excede the speed limit since they were not on a trail.We need Harvey Garod on this one........or maybe, even, Chuck Douglas.......Leave those kids alone!!!

There is a law and a fine against skimming.

The speed limit is 10mph when within 150' of bobhouses or open fishing holes.

Maybe this was a practice run
 

This was posted 3 weeks ago..

Maybe a practice run, or inspiration :confused: , for the snowmobile stunt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YB12xxQBIU

You missed the point,Lakegeezer......that was a tongue-in-cheek reply....just kidding:rolleye1:

Boneheads? NO-Idiots
 

"Boneheads" are folks who don't use good judgement? "Idiots" on the other hand are folks who use snow mobiles on open water!!!

Tank

At a minimum, would these two mensa standouts have broken the rules regarding polluting the lake - snowmobiles still run on gas and have oil in the crankcase don't they? Wouldn't they have leaked some of either or both into the lake when they sank to the bottom? If I spill a dop of gas during refueling, I am in big trouble if the MP finds out, so why would this be different.

Under the "RIGHT" Circomstances?
 

Tank151

Either definition fits the two Bozos.

Under a controlled situation it goes from Skimming to what is known as Water Cross and it is an organized "SPORT".

Take a look at this link and you maybe surprised what a Snowmobile can do under a skilled rider and a controlled environment.

www.ewaracing.com

Water Cross Vidio
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGXm35z9AM

wake or no wake
 

To wake or not to wake that is the question? If you take a piece of wood and push it ever so slowly across the surface of the water, what you see behind it is a wake. You take a snowmobile across that water it also will make a wake. So if that person is doing more than the speed limit allows in a no wake zone no matter what he is driving he/she is in violation of the law!

Was the operator of these snowmobiles a blonde by any chance?

Didn't someone cross 175 mile wide Lake Huron, back in 1978, going from Michigan to Ontario. That's probably the all-time Canadian skimming record. Those Canadians, are way good, aye?

Got to wonder if the recent Meredith Bay skimmer now holds the unofficial skimming record for Lake Winnipesaukee? He did pretty good, going maybe two miles in July which is the equivalent of 12 miles in January because the water is much less dense..

Without making me look it up, doesn't No Wake, requiring Headway Speed, also mean a headway speed is a speed that is a minimum speed to maintain control your vessel?

So if 6MPH is too slow to maintain control of your vessel then you can go faster to maintain control?

In other words, if a snowmobile was traveling across the water in a No Wake Zone, leaving no wake but traveling in excess of 80 or 90 mph...would that be a violation of the no wake zone since the snowmobile's headway speed could very well be 80 or 90 mph or it will sink?

Discuss...

There has been no media stories about charges or court appearances, just the once on WMUR TV and Citizen story.

Operating with potential injury, over the speed, etc., etc., etc. disobeying all common sense on water, with no respect for others nearby. To me, they should be denied the ability to obtain boating certificate and license to operate snow machine!!!

Did anyone determine if drugs of any kind were involved? Seems we could conclude "dares" existed.

While you are right, it was stupid! However there are not any laws mandating common sense. Stupidity is not illegal! Common sense is not mandated by law.

I seriously doubt that outside of pollution laws and/or some kind of reckless endangerrment charges, that they will be further identified or charged with anything else!

based on
 

based on that u tube clip.
1) yes it seems a snowmobile creates a wake
2) and unless those guys are really good at what they are doing, it seems as if that if you keep the accelerator on full tilt, you wont sink?