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TiltonBB 03-21-2019 04:43 PM

New Hampshire State Ranking
 
The site 24/7 Wall Street rated all of the states as best and worst to live in. New Hampshire came in 2nd and Massachusetts came in first. Nice area to be in!

To identify the best and worst states to live in, 24/7 Wall St. constructed an index comprised of three socioeconomic measures for each state: poverty rate, the percentage of adults who have at least a bachelor’s degree, and life expectancy at birth.

https://247wallst.com/special-report...-to-live-in-3/

2. New Hampshire
> 10-yr. population change: +2.0% (6th smallest increase)
> Annual unemployment: 2.7% (3rd lowest)
> Poverty rate: 7.7% (the lowest)
> Life expectancy at birth: 80.2 years (9th longest)

New Hampshire has one of the strongest job markets in the nation with only 2.7% of the labor force out of work — the third lowest unemployment rate nationwide. People who have consistent work are more likely to earn incomes that exceed the poverty level. In New Hampshire, this appears to be the case. The median annual household income of $73,381 is about $10,000 more than the median nationwide. New Hampshire also has the lowest poverty rate in the nation, with only 7.7% of the population living in poverty. This is well below the national poverty rate of 13.4%.

New Hampshire is also one of the most crime-free states. In the United States, there were 2,362 property crimes per 100,000 people, but in New Hampshire, there were just 1,382 property crimes per every 100,000 people.


1. Massachusetts
> 10-yr. population change: +6.4% (21st smallest increase)
> Annual unemployment: 3.7% (18th lowest)
> Poverty rate: 10.5% (10th lowest)
> Life expectancy at birth: 80.4 years (5th longest)

Massachusetts is America’s best state to live for many reasons. State adults are the best educated in the country, as 43.4% hold at least a bachelor’s degree. This high level of educational attainment sets these residents up for higher paying positions in their career. Massachusetts has the fourth highest median household income, at $77,385 a year. The state’s poverty rate of 10.5% is well below the U.S. rate.

Massachusetts also has some of the best health outcomes in the country, possibly because residents are the most likely to have health insurance. Nationwide, 8.7% of people lack health insurance. In Massachusetts, just 2.8% lack insurance. The state also has among the highest concentrations of doctors, dentists, and mental health professionals per capita. Massachusetts’ life expectancy of 80.4 years is the fifth highest nationwide.

Slickcraft 03-21-2019 04:46 PM

Say what??? 2nd to Mass is good??

fatlazyless 03-21-2019 06:14 PM

Massachusetts has a population of 6.9-million people, while New Hampshire has a population of 1.35-million people.

Have you seen the parking meters in Boston with the red and green warning lights that let a meter maid know if the meter is unpaid from a distance.

Am very happy with the 1972-vintage, Plymouth, NH parking meters that accept 5-cents/12-minutes, and 25-cents/hour ...... but would really like to see that changed to 25-cents/75-minutes for a quantity NH discount. I got a ticket last year for an unpaid parking meter, and it cost me 10-dollars ...... outrageous!

Live Free or Die ....... too bad for Boston ......... 25-cents/60-minutes!!!!! .... :laugh:

Does Meredith even have any parking meters ...... probably not? Maybe Meredith could install one of those kiosk meters in the new laundramat parking lot, plus for boat trailer parking, as a way to make some needed town revenue.

stingray 03-21-2019 07:46 PM

Could it be the infiltration of Massholes? Republicans used to be able to count on CowHampshire


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fatlazyless 03-21-2019 08:51 PM

Talking about the NH-Republicans ..... aren't they why NH has a $7.25-minimum wage, while Mass now has a $12.00-minimum wage that's pegged to go up to $15.00 in January, 2023.

New Hampshire-7.25/hr ..... Live poor and die right here in New Hampshire!

Maine-11.00/hr

Vermont-10.78/hr

Massachusetts-12.00/hr

Quebec-13.85/hr

Is a good thing New Hampshire is so close to Massachusetts, because Mass is where the big money is made, as well as all the big traffic jams on the Mass roads. Central New Hampshire is cruise control country ..... just try to do cruise down in Mass.

Make it in Mass, spend it in NH, and drive going 70-mph just one half space back, while following from behind on Route 93. We may be a little slow, but we is ahead of you, and the speed limit north of Concord is 70-mph!

SAMIAM 03-22-2019 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 308493)
Talking about the NH-Republicans ..... aren't they why NH has a $7.25-minimum wage, while Mass now has a $12.00-minimum wage that's pegged to go up to $15.00 in January, 2023.

New Hampshire-7.25/hr ..... Live poor and die right here in New Hampshire!

Maine-11.00/hr

Vermont-10.78/hr

Massachusetts-12.00/hr

Quebec-13.85/hr

Is a good thing New Hampshire is so close to Massachusetts, because Mass is where the big money is made, as well as all the big traffic jams on the Mass roads. Central New Hampshire is cruise control country ..... just try to do cruise down in Mass.

Make it in Mass, spend it in NH, and drive going 70-mph just one half space back, while following from behind on Route 93. We may be a little slow, but we is ahead of you, and the speed limit north of Concord is 70-mph!

$7.25 ……..really? Try to hire someone for that with unemployment this low.
The minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage. It is an entry level wage mostly used for young seasonal workers.
The free market should be the determining factor and right now anyone in business is lucky to find an unskilled 14 year old summer employee for less than $9 or $10 an hour.
You've been to too many Bernie rallies

joey2665 03-22-2019 07:08 AM

What do speed limits and parking meters have to do with state ranking?


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tis 03-22-2019 07:59 AM

Don't fear. NH has a bill to graduallyraise minimum wage to reach $12. in three years. And that will drive a lot of little businesses out so there will be no jobs for anybody. Look at Seattle, less hours and less jobs. Why do these politicians think they need to run every bit of our lives?

Top-Water 03-22-2019 08:03 AM

Lots of valid points mentioned above. Wonder how it woks if your making a little above minimum wage currently and your boss cuts your pay because he is forced to pay all the under performers more.

A negative side effect is for folks on fixed incomes like SS. Hold on to your wallet. Thing will cost more.

It always sounds great for the politicians to claim we raised the minimum wage and how awesome we are for doing it. But in IMHO they always leave out that everyone else who does not get an increase gets a purchasing power decrease.

swnoel 03-22-2019 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SAMIAM (Post 308500)
$7.25 ……..really? Try to hire someone for that with unemployment this low.
The minimum wage was never intended to be a living wage. It is an entry level wage mostly used for young seasonal workers.
The free market should be the determining factor and right now anyone in business is lucky to find an unskilled 14 year old summer employee for less than $9 or $10 an hour.
You've been to too many Bernie rallies

You are absolutely right! No one gets paid minimum wage in NH! I can only pray the masses will find out Massachusetts is the best state to live in and move back there!!!

tis 03-22-2019 08:36 AM

Yes, Sam and swnoel you are absolutely right. The job market is so tight in NH, there is no way you could hire anybody for even close to minimum wage! These politicians just want to look good. It sounds good to people if they force higher wages. As the economy has gotten better under Trump, there is more business and therefore more need for workers. And that means you HAVE to pay more because of the demand. Why don't people just understand business and the economy?

Biggd 03-22-2019 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tis (Post 308504)
Don't fear. NH has a bill to graduallyraise minimum wage to reach $12. in three years. And that will drive a lot of little businesses out so there will be no jobs for anybody. Look at Seattle, less hours and less jobs. Why do these politicians think they need to run every bit of our lives?

Why, do you really think $12 an hour is a lot of money? Like everyone said, you would be hard pressed to find someone to work for that today.

moose tracks 03-22-2019 09:05 AM

Tax Burden
 
As far as tax burdens, New Hampshire is a great place to live. New Hampshire has a total tax burden of about 7%. Tax burden measures the proportion of total personal income that residents pay toward state and local taxes, property taxes, individual income taxes and sales and excise taxes. NH ranks 46th in the US for total tax burden which is very good but the property tax rate is the 3rd highest in the nation. If you are a resident of New Hampshire you have it pretty good but if you are a resident of another state and own property in NH be prepared to pay very high property taxes.

Biggd 03-22-2019 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Top-Water (Post 308505)
Lots of valid points mentioned above. Wonder how it woks if your making a little above minimum wage currently and your boss cuts your pay because he is forced to pay all the under performers more.

A negative side effect is for folks on fixed incomes like SS. Hold on to your wallet. Thing will cost more.

It always sounds great for the politicians to claim we raised the minimum wage and how awesome we are for doing it. But in IMHO they always leave out that everyone else who does not get an increase gets a purchasing power decrease.

I don't think any employer is going to cut your pay with the unemployment rate this low unless they want you to leave.

joey2665 03-22-2019 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moose tracks (Post 308510)
As far as tax burdens, New Hampshire is a great place to live. New Hampshire has a total tax burden of about 7%. Tax burden measures the proportion of total personal income that residents pay toward state and local taxes, property taxes, individual income taxes and sales and excise taxes. NH ranks 46th in the US for total tax burden which is very good but the property tax rate is the 3rd highest in the nation. If you are a resident of New Hampshire you have it pretty good but if you are a resident of another state and own property in NH be prepared to pay very high property taxes.



Could you clarify your last comment? Why would my property tax in NH be higher if I am a resident on another state? Or are you just saying that the property tax is higher than most states? Honestly if you are not waterfront or waterview in NH property tax isn’t terry.


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joey2665 03-22-2019 09:15 AM

Try living in NY CA NJ CT or even MA. With high income property and sales tax.


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moose tracks 03-22-2019 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 308512)
Could you clarify your last comment? Why would my property tax in NH be higher if I am a resident on another state? Or are you just saying that the property tax is higher than most states? Honestly if you are not waterfront or waterview in NH property tax isn’t terry.

I am saying that the property taxes in NH are higher than most states (3rd highest in the nation). If you are a resident of NH the higher property taxes are offset by the absence of income and sales taxes.

MAXUM 03-22-2019 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 308493)
Talking about the NH-Republicans ..... aren't they why NH has a $7.25-minimum wage, while Mass now has a $12.00-minimum wage that's pegged to go up to $15.00 in January, 2023.

New Hampshire-7.25/hr ..... Live poor and die right here in New Hampshire!

Maine-11.00/hr

Vermont-10.78/hr

Massachusetts-12.00/hr

Quebec-13.85/hr

Is a good thing New Hampshire is so close to Massachusetts, because Mass is where the big money is made, as well as all the big traffic jams on the Mass roads. Central New Hampshire is cruise control country ..... just try to do cruise down in Mass.

Make it in Mass, spend it in NH, and drive going 70-mph just one half space back, while following from behind on Route 93. We may be a little slow, but we is ahead of you, and the speed limit north of Concord is 70-mph!

Say hay.... FLL... if you are SO concerned about people earning a living wage you do plan to stop shopping at Walmart because you certainly would not want to be a hypocrite and buy stuff produced in China where everything is pumped out of government controlled sweat shops right? Think those people that are forced to work there are given a "living wage"? LMAO!

I didn't think so!

Biggd 03-22-2019 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moose tracks (Post 308510)
As far as tax burdens, New Hampshire is a great place to live. New Hampshire has a total tax burden of about 7%. Tax burden measures the proportion of total personal income that residents pay toward state and local taxes, property taxes, individual income taxes and sales and excise taxes. NH ranks 46th in the US for total tax burden which is very good but the property tax rate is the 3rd highest in the nation. If you are a resident of New Hampshire you have it pretty good but if you are a resident of another state and own property in NH be prepared to pay very high property taxes.

Property taxes in Ma are no bargain either. The only difference is the services you get, but those are slowly eroding away also. Things like trash pick up and school bus service that use to be free are now being charged a fee, in some towns.

As far as waterfront property taxes go, if you have waterfront in the state of Ma you are paying a high property tax also.

joey2665 03-22-2019 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggd (Post 308520)
Property taxes in Ma are no bargain either. The only difference is the services you get, but those are slowly eroding away also. Things like trash pick up and school bus service that use to be free are now being charged a fee, in some towns.

As far as waterfront property taxes go, if you have waterfront in the state of Ma you are paying a high property tax also.

Same everywhere, NY is no better if not much worse for waterfront

swnoel 03-22-2019 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moose track
I am saying that the property taxes in NH are higher than most states (3rd highest in the nation). If you are a resident of NH the higher property taxes are offset by the absence of income and sales taxes.

Unfortunately that means that the tax burden is not equally distributed! In Manchester for instance, 60% of property owners have no children in the school system! Doesn't sound fair to me, while many go about their ways not paying their fair share!!

MAXUM 03-22-2019 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swnoel (Post 308523)
Unfortunately that means that the tax burden is not equally distributed! In Manchester for instance, 60% of property owners have no children in the school system! Doesn't sound fair to me, while many go about their ways not paying their fair share!!

So just out of curiosity how would you fix this?

Airedale1 03-22-2019 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 308513)
Try living in NY CA NJ CT or even MA. With high income property and sales tax.


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And don't forget about the MA Excise tax which MA residents have to pay every year on their vehicles; and it's $25.00 per thousand of your vehicle's value. Also add to that the fact that on average MA residents pay double what NH residents pay for auto insurance.

joey2665 03-22-2019 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swnoel (Post 308523)
Unfortunately that means that the tax burden is not equally distributed! In Manchester for instance, 60% of property owners have no children in the school system! Doesn't sound fair to me, while many go about their ways not paying their fair share!!

But odds are at some point in time they did have or will have children in the school system. It is as fair as it could possibly be and obviously this is the same situation no matter what state you reside in. If you starting billing residents who just have children in the school system what do you do with people that have second homes and do not reside in NH and what would the cost be to send your children to public school?

fatlazyless 03-22-2019 01:12 PM

In today's newspaper https://www.concordmonitor.com/senat...bills-24294126 .... now I need to read it before I can say something unbelievably intelligent .... except ..... the big question here is probably what will Gov Sununu do? ..... and that's a good question!

If and when it gets to the Governor's desk ..... will he veto it .... or what ..... seems like maybe he will let it become law but without actually signing it ..... basically by doing nothing .... and just letting the passed law set on his desk for ten days ..... so, how's that for an intelligent comment without having yet read today's Concord Monitor report.:eek2:

Donzi Minx 03-22-2019 01:20 PM

NH State Ranking
 
I am here and want to be there, which proves everything I do is ass backwards.
Excise tax paid to Mass....I am on my third set of stabilizer bushings in 4 years.
The roads in Chelrose are like GM's off road proving grounds, Benghazi!
Melrose, the City in which I have resided for almost 50 years is now pushing an April 2nd override to the tune of 5.2 million, and talk about fiscal responsibility. Wait, do you balance your checkbook? Why can't they?
All of this and I am still Naked in Massachusetts!

Orion 03-22-2019 03:08 PM

Depends on town
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by moose tracks (Post 308510)
If you are a resident of New Hampshire you have it pretty good but if you are a resident of another state and own property in NH be prepared to pay very high property taxes.

Generally certainly true, but it really depends on which towns in NH and MA you own property in. They vary very significantly town to town. I pay more for property tax in MA than I do in NH and the NH property is actually worth more. Some NH towns are very frugal or have a generous (waterfront) tax base! I know someone in Rindge who's home is actually worth less than my NH property and he's paying more than twice what I pay in Tuftonboro. Location location location (applies to appeal as well as taxes).

Descant 03-22-2019 03:11 PM

Don't fret. This year's legislature is on the fast track to remove NH from that #2 position.

MAXUM 03-22-2019 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orion (Post 308530)
Generally certainly true, but it really depends on which towns in NH and MA you own property in. They vary very significantly town to town. I pay more for property tax in MA than I do in NH and the NH property is actually worth more. Some NH towns are very frugal or have a generous (waterfront) tax base! I know someone in Rindge who's home is actually worth less than my NH property and he's paying more than twice what I pay in Tuftonboro. Location location location (applies to appeal as well as taxes).

2018 Numbers...

https://www.revenue.nh.gov/mun-prop/...-tax-rates.pdf

The variation from best to worst is pretty staggering.

You're lucky Tuftonboro is pretty inexpensive comparatively speaking to the average.

fatlazyless 03-22-2019 05:05 PM

At $39.27, it looks like Berlin has the highest combined rate in NH, plus doesn't Berlin have a problem with buildings burning down or something. Is that because their owner cannot sell it and gets stuck paying property tax on a vacant, unable to sell building and just tries to cash out by burning it down and collecting the insurance?

Is that what happens in Berlin with its $39.27 combined rate? Welcome to Berlin, NH, the town where real estate is on fire!:laugh:

MAXUM 03-22-2019 05:20 PM

Look again, the highest is Claremont is $42.08

JEEPONLY 03-22-2019 06:31 PM

Once again ...
 
The molehill has turned into a mountain!

I believe MOOSE TRACKS message- post #13- is meant to relate the fact that, if you solely live in NH, the high property taxes are balanced-out by the lack of all the other taxes levied by other states (not that we don't have other taxes).

In other words, if you own property in NH, AND claim residency in another state, you aren't realizing the "balanced-out" effect of solely residing in NH. Hence, you are paying (what some consider to be high property tax, AND all the taxes you pay in your residency state.

moose tracks 03-22-2019 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY (Post 308537)
The molehill has turned into a mountain!

I believe MOOSE TRACKS message- post #13- is meant to relate the fact that, if you solely live in NH, the high property taxes are balanced-out by the lack of all the other taxes levied by other states (not that we don't have other taxes).

In other words, if you own property in NH, AND claim residency in another state, you aren't realizing the "balanced-out" effect of solely residing in NH. Hence, you are paying (what some consider to be high property tax, AND all the taxes you pay in your residency state.

Yes, exactly.

joey2665 03-22-2019 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JEEPONLY (Post 308537)
The molehill has turned into a mountain!



I believe MOOSE TRACKS message- post #13- is meant to relate the fact that, if you solely live in NH, the high property taxes are balanced-out by the lack of all the other taxes levied by other states (not that we don't have other taxes).



In other words, if you own property in NH, AND claim residency in another state, you aren't realizing the "balanced-out" effect of solely residing in NH. Hence, you are paying (what some consider to be high property tax, AND all the taxes you pay in your residency state.



Look at the property tax in neighboring states. If you are not waterfront in NH they are very reasonable. Even the commercial rates aren’t bad. My 30,000 sqft commercial building is only 30% higher in property tax than my home with a lake view. The average tax rate is skewed by waterfront and water view. The median average would be a better number for comparison.


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fatlazyless 03-22-2019 07:43 PM

While all the surrounding states of Maine, Rhode Island, Mass, Conn, and Vermont have state income and state capital gains that gets funneled back to their individual towns, NH has no state income or state capital gains.

So, the common thread that runs throughout NH and bonds all the people in all the NH towns together is this lack of a state income and state capital gains. Plus, no state sales tax is an extra bonus.

New Hampshire: Live tax free or die!

Plus, your property tax gets deducted* off your federal income tax.

* $10,000-max federal deductible effective starting tax year 2018 ... :eek:

kawishiwi 03-23-2019 12:00 AM

Well, not really...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 308539)
Look at the property tax in neighboring states. If you are not waterfront in NH they are very reasonable. Even the commercial rates aren’t bad. My 30,000 sqft commercial building is only 30% higher in property tax than my home with a lake view. The average tax rate is skewed by waterfront and water view. The median average would be a better number for comparison.

New Hampshire as a whole has the 3rd highest effective property tax rate in the nation.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...y-taxes/11585/

joey2665 03-23-2019 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kawishiwi (Post 308545)
New Hampshire as a whole has the 3rd highest effective property tax rate in the nation.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-wit...y-taxes/11585/



Yes I understand that but I’d like to know what it would be without the waterfront property rate


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loonguy 03-23-2019 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joey2665 (Post 308546)
Yes I understand that but I’d like to know what it would be without the waterfront property rate


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The property tax rate is the same for all real property within a town regardless of whether it is waterfront. The tax on waterfront property is higher because the property is worth more. Towns (like Moultonborough) with a lot of waterfront property have a lower tax rate because the costs of government are spread over a much larger tax base than towns with property that has a lower average market value.

fatlazyless 03-23-2019 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by fatlazyless (Post 308528)

... published Thursday, March 21, 2019 at 5:48:18-pm by the Concord Monitor.

Hey .... got it to work .... had separate incorrectly spelled as seperate ..... that was an easy fix!

So, is this good or bad or what and does it make any difference to anyone? With our New Hampshire super strong, super-duper, mega-fabulous, incredibly unbelievable, totally huge economy ..... is so easy to get a job ..... is just that you need three different jobs to pay all your bills. You got your regular NH job, your other NH job, and your side NH job ........ a NH job, a NH job, and a NH job ...... to get it done ..... in this super strong NH economy! :eek:

See .....if you is smart, or just lucky, you could hope to get a Massachusetts job, while living in super-strong economy New Hampshire.

TiltonBB 03-23-2019 07:50 AM

Hey FLL: How did you get a FREE subscription to the Concord Monitor? (or who paid for the subscription for you?):look:

One thing that helps most minimum wage workers in New Hampshire is a higher take home pay because of the lack of a state income tax. Also, that take home pay may result in more spending power because there is no sales tax. And, if they own a car, New Hampshire car insurance is about half of what it is in most other states.

The minimum wage is not enough to support a family, nor should it be. Business owners can hire entry level workers at this rate and raise wages as the employee learns skills and contributes more to the success of the business. Any business would be foolish if they did not raise wages accordingly to retain good help. That is especially true now with the economy strong and good, hard working, employees becoming harder to find.


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