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Pineedles 06-21-2011 09:13 AM

What happens to the lake if Romney wins?
 
I don't want to start a political conversation here, just trying to understand the implications as it applies to the lake, if Romney becomes President. I'm sure he loves the lake, as do most all of us, and would probably want to continue to enjoy it with his family on occasion. Taking that as a given, what would be the impact to the "defensive zone" that most likely would be set up around the compound?

robmac 06-21-2011 09:16 AM

If you remember when he was Govenor he had a rope line that streched pretty far off shore. So I would say if elected that area would be totally off limits. JMHO

camp guy 06-21-2011 09:26 AM

What happens to the lake if Romney wins?
 
I don't think any new president will have a lot of time to vacation and kick back - they will be totally consumed trying to re-orient our country back to a jobs-based economy that they will be luck to leave the Oval office for lunch.

The white line in place when he was Massachusetts governor wasn't his doing, it was the security forces. The locals know him, and politely ignore him. Now I am not ignorant of the difference between being a governor and being president, so clearly there will have to be security measures in place.

It would be interesting, to say the least.

Grant 06-21-2011 09:28 AM

And diving Clark's Point would probably result in a life-changing encounter with a Navy Seal. Even if he becomes the nominee, say buh-bye to that dive site.

And can you imagine the Secret Service detail on a Sunday when President Romney heads to the church north of downtown? Main Street would be cordoned off, locked down, gridlocked and lined with black Suburbans filled with gun-toting dudes in armor.

And then there's the news media...satellite trucks, primping talking heads, traffic...

Just sayin'...

webmaster 06-21-2011 09:34 AM

From 2003
 
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Originally Posted by robmac (Post 160588)
If you remember when he was Govenor he had a rope line that streched pretty far off shore. So I would say if elected that area would be totally off limits. JMHO

http://www.winnipesaukee.com/photopo...itts_Place.jpg

jrc 06-21-2011 10:43 AM

I'm more worried about Air Force One coming in over my boat into Laconia airport. Think they can land a 747 in there?

More likely they land in Boston and Marine One to Laconia.

VitaBene 06-21-2011 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by jrc (Post 160601)
I'm more worried about Air Force One coming in over my boat into Laconia airport. Think they can land a 747 in there?

More likely they land in Boston and Marine One to Laconia.

Or Pease. It is an easy helo ride from Hampton area!

hancoveguy 06-21-2011 11:04 AM

Where is his house on the lake anyway? Just so I can stay away when the time comes?

HCG

WakeboardMom 06-21-2011 11:09 AM

We need someone who lives on Martha's Vineyard to weigh in. They've experienced it first-hand.

joann721 06-21-2011 11:17 AM

If he makes the Wolfeboro house his "CAMP DAVID" then we could be in for some challenging summer moments. But, IMHO, any inconvenience in the Wolfeboro area would be worthwhile for the the value of having a business man running the country again .... :D

webmaster 06-21-2011 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hancoveguy (Post 160605)
Where is his house on the lake anyway? Just so I can stay away when the time comes?

HCG

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NBR 06-21-2011 11:43 AM

Restrictions
 
Go over to Kennebunkport and visit walkers Point. Plenty of security but not a big hassle for others.

patman 06-21-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by VitaBene (Post 160602)
Or Pease. It is an easy helo ride from Hampton area!

I used to work in an office at Pease. When Bush visited, he would fly in to Pease and they'd shut traffic down while the black SUVs and all the security escorts went by, then they'd head up 95.

K'port is 45 minute drive from Pease, Wolfeboro is about an hour. I'd bet they'd drive instead of the helicopter, probably with a rolling blockade up 16 and 11.

Between the security and the gawkers, it played major havoc with the traffic everywhere along the route.

Jonas Pilot 06-21-2011 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NBR (Post 160616)
Go over to Kennebunkport and visit walkers Point. Plenty of security but not a big hassle for others.

It's a lot easier to secure a peninsula.

Heaven 06-21-2011 12:15 PM

I can't wait!
The only compensation for having a republican in office is to have one with a home on the lake ; )

tis 06-21-2011 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NBR (Post 160616)
Go over to Kennebunkport and visit walkers Point. Plenty of security but not a big hassle for others.

It was a bit of a hassle when he was there. THey closed the whole road down so you couldn't go through. When he wasn't there it was fine.

jrc 06-21-2011 01:12 PM

OK I'm feeling better about him landing in Pease and going direct to Wolfeboro.

When the French President rented the house around the corner from Mitt, they shut down a favorite anchoring spot. So President Mitt is welcome, but he can't bring any friends.

Pineedles 06-21-2011 02:18 PM

Mapped
 
If you click on this page it will show you the location of Romney's home. There is a red square around the property. I imagine the "red perimeter" will have to be enlarged if he is there as POTUS.

http://wikimapia.org/4224479/Lakefro...sident-in-2008

beagle 06-21-2011 02:30 PM

Maybe he will come by seaplane
 
One day last summer he must have had some vip's up for lunch because there were 2 seaplanes taking turns landing in S Wolfeboro bay and taxing in to shore. I would say they landed about a dozen times coming in, and the same later around 5 o'clock leaving. Pretty cool.

beagle 06-21-2011 02:38 PM

here's a pic
 
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never did this before, don't know if it will work

patman 06-21-2011 03:31 PM

I wonder if the neighbors could apply for a tax abatement due to lost usage from the security zone...or even sue Romney for lost property value. Security zones don't just go away after their subject is out of office...

Here's hoping it doesn't become an issue...for one reason or another.

NoBozo 06-21-2011 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by beagle (Post 160640)
never did this before, don't know if it will work

That's a De Havilland Canada DHC-2 Beaver. Arguably the most well known and rugged bush plane ever. Single Pratt & Whitney Radial engine of 450 HP. Built from 1948 to 1969. Eight passengers including pilot. Still used extensively in Washington State/Puget Sound .. and Alaska. :) NB

Pineedles 06-21-2011 08:28 PM

It's always nice to hear about our own, here in Connecticut, Pratt & Whitney.:)

A seashore frontage in K'prt, ME has its own challenges, but there has to be more concern with line of sight to the compound in Wolfeboro? Top of Rattlesnake, Varney, Worcester, Barndoor Islands? It is an expansive area to be covered to protect POTUS. This isn't the Mass State Police protecting the Gov. It's the Secret Service protecting the President of the United States. I don't think it is a rope 125 ft from shore. Think about folkes. I could be a BIG zone!

meredith weekender 06-21-2011 08:47 PM

Pine needles is right. We could have submarines, coast guard cutters and aircraft carriers positioned around the lake. :laugh::laugh::laugh: maybe the secret service will take over the islands as lookouts?:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Rattlesnake Guy 06-21-2011 08:54 PM

What happens?

New Hampshire gets mentioned on the news as much as Maine and Texas did.

Our biggest industry is tourism.

I can see the Mount having a "Summer White House Cruise".

Lakesrider 06-21-2011 09:06 PM

More like this...

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...s/AIRFORCE.jpg

fatlazyless 06-21-2011 09:18 PM

In March, 1991, Vice President Dan Quayle went skiing at Waterville Valley and his vice president's airplane landed at Laconia Airport. Traveling up Rt 93 from Gilford to WV, Rt 93 was closed on both sides, north and south, and the VP caravan traveled north on the south bound side. When he was skiiiing the secret service surrounded him on the ski trail almost like a football team protecting the quarterback plus the ski trail was roped off closed at the top.

For Mitt to become the president would mean some very good business for Sawyer's ice cream and fried clams what with all the government people flying into Laconia Airport.

When MITT becomes president and wants to show off his waterski trick with the step ladder attached to the aquaboard, most likely he'll be surrounded by a group of waterskiing secret service. Way-to-go MITT!

VtSteve 06-21-2011 09:41 PM

I wouldn't worry about it
 
It's still June, very early. I don't want to say, again, that he has no chance. I just wouldn't worry about it.

Lakesrider 06-22-2011 07:47 AM

"I don't want to start a political conversation here........"

Well that went out the window.....:laugh:

Shreddy 06-22-2011 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NoBozo (Post 160655)
That's a De Havilland Canada DHC-2 Beaver. Arguably the most well known and rugged bush plane ever. Single Pratt & Whitney Radial engine of 450 HP. Built from 1948 to 1969. Eight passengers including pilot. Still used extensively in Washington State/Puget Sound .. and Alaska. :) NB

No way!? I wish I had one one of those ZTG-352341 Flambunctuator take-off water hootananny's thing-a-ma-jigs with DGW solar power to warm my coffee up. :D

John A. Birdsall 06-22-2011 10:59 AM

NH's 7th fleet
 
I think it would be great to have a Air Craft Carrier (USS Nimitz) a submarine USS New Hampshire SSN??? A destroyer escort, and a battlewagon stationed at Lake W. But what would be better is to see them get it there and launch it. The Winniupasaukee Bell had quiten a trip from Portsmouth to Alton Bay and then a job in launching her. and that is not much bigger than a life boat on the Nimitz. Maybe the Nimitz could be launched at Victoria Pier.:laugh::laugh:

patman 06-22-2011 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by John A. Birdsall (Post 160745)
I think it would be great to have a Air Craft Carrier (USS Nimitz) a submarine USS New Hampshire SSN??? A destroyer escort, and a battlewagon stationed at Lake W.

Naaw...think BIIIG. How about a *bunch* of aircraft carriers, stretching from T'boro neck to Laconia. End to end. So you could drive across. Think of how much time you'd save driving across the lake instead of around it! Suddenly all the online 'search for our closest store' searches would be useful!!!

RLW 06-22-2011 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hancoveguy (Post 160605)
Where is his house on the lake anyway? Just so I can stay away when the time comes?HCG

http://i52.tinypic.com/2s8k8lh.gifDo you know something that we don't?????:)

joann721 06-22-2011 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by John A. Birdsall (Post 160745)
I think it would be great to have a Air Craft Carrier (USS Nimitz) a submarine USS New Hampshire SSN??? A destroyer escort, and a battlewagon stationed at Lake W. But what would be better is to see them get it there and launch it. The Winniupasaukee Bell had quiten a trip from Portsmouth to Alton Bay and then a job in launching her. and that is not much bigger than a life boat on the Nimitz. Maybe the Nimitz could be launched at Victoria Pier.:laugh::laugh:



This comment made me smile... my deported 96 year old Aunt asked me with a smile on day if I had ever seen a whale in the lake... :-)

sa meredith 06-22-2011 03:22 PM

This might help
 
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Originally Posted by Pineedles (Post 160587)
I don't want to start a political conversation here, just trying to understand the implications as it applies to the lake, if Romney becomes President. I'm sure he loves the lake, as do most all of us, and would probably want to continue to enjoy it with his family on occasion. Taking that as a given, what would be the impact to the "defensive zone" that most likely would be set up around the compound?

This might be a good analogy. Back when I was a kid, 7th, 8th, 9th grade (late 70's, early 80's) my best friend's next door neighbors were very very wealthy. They owned a summer home, oceanfront, in Kennibunkport, Maine. My friend was an only child, so whenever his family travelled with the neighbors to Kennibunkport for a weekend, he took a friend along so he had something to do, as the adults pretty much "cocktailed" all weekend. What a great place to spend time in the summer...although I was far to young to appreciate it. Anyway...as a kid, I got to know the people who owned the home. Well, later in life, by coincidence, they came into my pace of business and I recognized them. We talked for quite some time, and I inquired as to what the town was like after Bush Senior became president (the Bush family owns a summer home in Kennibunkport, for anyone who may not know). They said it all started when he was Vice President...1981. And only got worse. When a trip was planned to Kennibunkport by Bush, the "forward team" of secret service would show up to town days ahead doing security sweeps, and closing many well travelled roads. When Vice President Bush (later President Bush) was actually there, sections of beaches were closed, and many more streets. The folks I knew expressed that it was extremely intrusive, and often made it very difficult to enjoy a weekend. The secret service acted in a way that was not at all sensitive to the fact that many of the wealthy summer residents simply wanted to go about their business. Street closings often cause traffic jams, and made simple trips to the diner for breakfast impossible.
And that was back in the 80's. I can only imagine what type of security messures are taken in this day and age.
I would think a president spending a couple of days at his lake house will not be a good thing. Especially if he decides to go out to dinner or do some bar hopping (probably not bar hopping).

John A. Birdsall 06-22-2011 04:19 PM

whales
 
Well, I told my grand kids that there were whales in the lake, and I said here comes one now. My wife did not speak for a month!:emb:

LIforrelaxin 06-22-2011 06:26 PM

If Mitt where to become president, or even just become the Republican Candidate, The lake would never be the same. Once secret service comes into the picture, there will be whole sale changes when he is in town... further more you have to deal with those changes even after he leave office as the Secret Service stays involved after he leave office.

On the flip side property values around the lake would sky rocket....Much as the do everywhere a president has a home.

Now on the flipside, things do calm down after a president is out of office for a while. Last year while in Kennebunk Port for our honeymoon, we where informed that the elder Bush was at Walkers Point for the long weekend... the differences where very subtle, around town... First his boat went from the harbor area, out to a morning just off shore, and the two secret service boats left harbor and started Patroling around the point. After that there really wasn't an intrusion on life around the area. However having said that, last year marked something like 14 years or so out office for President Bush Sr.

NoBozo 06-22-2011 08:02 PM

MY FRIENDS: This is NOT a problem. Just vote for The ONE...and the lake will not be affected. :D :D NB

lawn psycho 06-23-2011 04:19 AM

The Bush's actually fly into Sanford, not Pease. They take motocade to K-port.

I live not far from Walker's point. When the family is there, it's not that big a deal it's when he's on the move and streets get closed, etc it can be a pain.

When Bush's boat is on the mooring ball, two divers inspect it before they bring him out to hop onboard. The have a Coast Guard boat that patrols around the property and if you try to get close on the water they will send you away from the area. There are cameras all over the property. I ride my bike along Ocean Ave and the property is fenced and you can see they have every angle covered.

If Romney becomes the GOP candidate and/or the president, I suspect a fairly large area will be blocked off as a restricted area on the water. That would likely be the only impact on the water.

When the motorcade is on the move, the streets are closed, they have a couple forward posted vehicles that conduct sweeps and then next thing you know the limo streaks by with agents hanging out of vans and suburbans in close proximity to the president. The motorcade does not follow the posted speed limit that is for sure:)

Jonas Pilot 06-23-2011 06:00 AM

Walker's Point
 
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Walker's Point Maine.


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