Thanks
 

Hello Vita Bene,

I would like to be in contact with you. Please e-mail me at [email protected] with an e-mail address. Thanks

Tom Mullen

Do You Have All My Answers?
 

Hello Tobey,

I have tried to answer all of your question, but there was no response to my last post. Are you satisfied with those answers and/or do you have any more questions or concerns I can address at this time. Thanks for involving yourself in the dialogue.

Regards,

Tom Mullen

Thank god..

Hope is NOT On The Way...
 

Perhaps Mr. Mullen has discussed instruction for your kids. :)

Excellence in sailing is complicated, and racing among sailboats even more so. The 15-year-old is unlikely to take up this study :( and a Laser is also not the boat to begin this study. IMHO.

Study of both racing and sailing needs to be nourished from an earlier age—and even 12 is borderline-late. While I understand the need for "befriending", one should use the "bully-pulpit" that is Parenting, and actually encourage sailing instruction. :look:

In our culture, the spirit of competition remains a healthy one, and one cannot learn it too young. :cool:

JMHO.

Agreed on the competition aspect of life and its importance in our culture. They are both heavily involved in Moultonborough Academy sports including baseball, volleyball, alpine and nordic skiing so I am not too concerned about that. I will note that my 15 yo son has taken up the sport of girl chasin' so boating is on the back burner!

We have led both kids to the proverbial "sailing water" but neither have embraced it. We will see, but I agree, the older they get the less likely they are to pick it up.

Leading by Example...
 

1) Mr. Bean: ;)

Alpine and Nordic skiing is especially damaging to young joints and limbs. (I know :( ).

Without intervention, those problems don't improve with age, and I'll wager many here on this forum can attest to that. Many here already have mentioned joint surgeries. :eek2:

Just down the street from Gunstock's ski-slopes is an orthopedic clinic! :eek:

2) Mr. Mullen has stated that "any two sailboats is a race": Having vanquished many an "advantaged" boat, :) I can agree with that. :cool:

Try buying a second Laser, then "Lead By Example". :coolsm:

I guarantee you will eventually lose any advantage you claim through "Age and Experience". :emb:

3) Mr. Mullen:

There is no shoreline more difficult to sail from, than one that faces into Winnipesaukee's prevailing wind. :rolleye1: Expect beginning sailors—especially—to damage every sailboat under this circumstance. :mad:

Into which direction does this proposed shoreline face? :confused:

Hello Acres Per Second,

You are absolutely correct that beginning sailors would have a degree of difficulty sailing off a lee shore and oftentimes, Ellacoya is just that when the winds are strong out of the north or the northwest. To evaluate this issue regarding Ellacoya, nearly every morning and sometimes in the afternoons as well, as I travelled between Glendale and my home on Welch Island, I buzzed down to Ellacoya to give consideration to this matter. During the summer months when we are teaching the kids how to sail, it turns out, at least this most recent summer, that northwest was not the predominant wind direction. Winds this past summer, especially during July and August when our Youth Sailing School is in session, were out of the south and the west far more often than from the northwest making Ellacoya a very sheltered sailing venue.

It appears that during the fall, the predominant wind pattern shifts to the northwest and we will have to deal with this reality as we structure our approach to sailing instruction. In the fall, we will be teaching adults more often than not and there will be times that we may not be able to risk taking inexperienced sailors in boats off the moorings and out of the boat basin.

Fortunately the lake bottom all along Ellacoya is sandy and pretty shallow so when and if a boat does go aground, getting the small, light boats we use upright is not an especially difficult task.

To confirm my observations, I downloaded the wind data from the Laconia Airport for the period from May 1st theough the middle of October and there were only five days during that entire period when the data suggested we would have to curtail operations for Youth Sailing and only therr of those were during the months the school is in session.

These are realities we can live with as the pro's at Ellacoya far outweigh the con's. Thanks for weighing in on the issues and please keep your comments and or concerns coming so we can be sure to cover all the possible issues during these planning stages.

Regards,

Tom Mullen

Into which direction does this proposed shoreline face? :confused:[/QUOTE]


It faces directly into the North West - west wind.

Almost everytime I RV there I see this nasty wind at one time or another.

It faces directly into the North West - west wind.

Almost everytime I RV there I see this nasty wind at one time or another.[/QUOTE]

Hello Tobey,

You're right! The wind that comes out of the north by northwest toward Ellacoya can be very strong and there is a pretty good fetch so that when it's windy from that direction, the waves are also pretty high.

Using the data from the Laconia Airport weather station and from personal observations during the period from May 1st through October 16th, I came up with twelve days between 8:00 am to 8:00 pm, the normal operating hours that the new Sailing Center would be open and that sailors might be out on the water, that I would put into the category of unsafe and imprudent to be out on the water unless the sailor(s) are very competent. Of those twelve days, five were days that we would be flying the No Sailing Today Flag.

So, five days out of 199 days, or 2.5% of the 2010 sailing season, we would not have allowed the Sailing Center's boats to be out on the water. For nine additional days during this same period, or 4.5% of the sailing season, we would have required proof of competency before the Sailing Center's boats could have left the docks.

During the period that the Sailing School normally operates from late June through late August, there were three days that it was too windy out of the northwest (315 degrees) around to the northeast (45 degrees) to go out on the water if the school had been functioning at Ellacoya. Fortunately, the waters around Ellacoya are pretty well sheltered when the winds blow heavily from the east (90 degrees) around through the south all the way to the west-northwest (290 degrees).

Because we have been operating for nearly thirty years out of Inner Smith Cove at Fay's Boatyard, we have developed fairly ingenious ways of getting from those waters out to where there is wind by towing our sailboats in a chain using a power boat. There may be times at Ellacoya when we may have to tow the boats up into the lee of Welch Island or around the point and down to the waters off Ames Farm Inn to get to waters where the wind allows us to teach the students effectively.

I assure you that we have weighed these types of issues carefully before making a decision to move to Ellacoya. Where we sail now borders on being dangerous for the youngsters because of boat traffic. The waters off Ellacoya are not within a passage zone and are not, therefore, heavily traveled. The areas around Varney Point, Lockes Island and Belknap Point are an accident waiting to happen.

Over the years, because of inclement weather, sometimes too much wind and occasionally, no wind, we have learned how to use these down times by operating in a classroom format with a chalkboard, photos, a model boat, a full sized Opti right in the room, DVD's and ropes for tying knots. Bad weather days don't go to waste in the LWSA's Youth Sailing School.

Because it's so shallow at Ellacoya, we will be able to teach the little ones in our fleet of Optimist Prams with an instructor standing in the water right next to the boats without having to follow them around in a chase boat -- a novel approach that I have seen work very effectively in the British Virgin Islands. The kids actually sail in a tight circle right around the instructors getting constant tips on sail trim and various maneuvers.

Ellacoya has its drawbacks we will learn to live with and it has advantages we will exploit to the betterment of our programs. It is our conclusion that the advantages far outweigh the drawbacks and it is our goal to be in full operation by July of 2012.

Regards,

Tom Mullen

I think my daughter took up sailing around age 15.

Tom, I am curious. Not being from the region I do not know of all the the other potential spots on the lake that would/could accomadate your program. I do understand the lake is very very large. Have you looked elswhere?
I am not against the kids sailing program, it's just the fact I am having a hard time dealing with the thought this park may not be as enjoyable for us RV folks due to continual traffic on the east side road to beach and noise associated with functions that may go on. Guess you do need them (functions) to support your cause.

Thanks for listening and replying. Maybe this is not so bad as I find myself searching other RV opportunites in New England. Maybe I'll try the Ocean parks.:look:

Here's a suggestion: While the Ellacoya State Beach & RV Park charges $47/night, the US Forest Service operates 23 different campgrounds in the White Mountain National Forest in NH and just over the border, in Maine, that cost $16/night, plus further discounts (senior-65 pass or something) are available. While the WMNF Campgrounds do not have any utility hookups like water-sewer-electricity-cable, some have showers and toilets w/ running water, and all have campsites with a picnic table, campfire pit, parking for two vehicles, composting toilets, trash dumpsters, potable water, volunteer campground supervisors on-site, and Forest Service law enforcement (cops), plus the locations were picked for their highly desirable geography such as a view, river, lake etc.

So, what's not to like......$16-federal....or $47-state?

In addition, the federal campgrounds are exempt of the State of NH, 9% lodging & meals tax, which applies to State RV Campgrounds like Ellecoya....because they are federal.

http://www.newhampshire.com/outdoors...tn-forest.aspx

....

If you want a campground on a big water lake, the State of Maine has a good one on Sebago Lake, about one hour from Moultonborough.

http://www.maine.gov/cgi-bin/online/...search_info.pl and scroll down to Sebago Lake State Park for a 250 rv campsite, State of Maine campground, within a 1400-acre state park on Sebago lake, which is a lake that is a little larger in area than Lake Winnipesaukee. ...just a thought...

Hello Tobey,

Your thoughts, comments and concerns, presented in your recent post in a very constructive manner by the way, deserve a similiar response. The possibility that our use of the Ellacoya waterfront might disturb occupants of the RV facility is very much in the forefront of our minds. You are already there and we're new on the scene. Just that fact alone means we have an obligation to go to considerable lengths to minimize and hopefull prevent any disruption of your enjoyment of the campground.

The LWSA will bring change to Ellacoya. We are cognizant of this fact and we must, therefore, do all that we can to have those changes be net positive. It would be ludicrous for us to try to pretend that the heightened level of activity created by our presence will be welcomed by everyone. As you point out, and as I have already anticipated, there will be a lot more vehicles going up and down the east side road that borders one row of the RV sites. This means we will need to consider improvements to and along that roadway to make sure we don't negatively impact the use of the sites. Here are some of the measures I am considering employing, obviously, subject to approval from DRED:

1. Dust stirred up by cars will be a problem. I am hopeful we can get that roadway hard surfaced. This is about a $45,000 expense and I will be trying to get this donated by one or more of the local firms in the paving business. Another option could be surfacing the roadway with crushed stone. Regardless of the cost factors involved, the dust stirred up by passing cars during hot, dry periods will have to be addressed and effectively dealt with.

2. The visual aesthetics of having cars passing by a campsite on a regular basis also leave something to be desired. I believe we can reduce the visual impact of this reality by placing a fence down the length of the wooden guardrail that's there now. Again, this will be a substantial cost item
that could bust our budget, but it is needs to be addressed.

3. Functions in the building will be a necessary evil as the income from same will be a crucial factor in the affordability of the complex. For the sake of the residents of Lake Shore Park and the RV sites as well, the LWSA will have to curtail the hours of and the number of attendees at such events to be sure the impact of such things as bands and outdoor events do not unduly encroach on the peace of neighboring sites. This will be a multi-faceted sailing center and holding functions will be incidental to the use of the facility -- necessary, but limited in scope and frequency.

I am a bit troubled by your comment that you are starting to look elsewhere for other RV sites to visit out of concern that the character of Ellacoya, once our sailing center is located there, may not be to your liking. I believe the LWSA's presence there will change some of the site's character, but I also believe those changes will be positive in nature and not intrusive. I believe the visual impact of what we'll be doing will be interesting and enjoyable. Sitting at a picnic bench along the seawall to the west of our complex and watching our Sailing School students learning how to sail will be fun and visually enjoyable. I am confident that the residents of Lake Shore Park will learn, not only to accept the presence of the new Sailing Center, but they will embrace it as a fundemental improvement in the quality of the Park's residents' lives, especially the Park's youngsters.

For many years, the LWSA has been on the lookout for other sites along the lake for this new facility. Even now, as we move forward with the design and approval process, we welcome any thoughts or suggestions as to alternative sites. Because the costs of building the complex will be daunting, the cost of purchasing a site would have to be deminimis. The location pretty much in the middle of the lake on a north/south basis is also strategically important and Ellacoya fits that bill perfectly.

Tobey, give us a chance to get established and up and operating before you conclude you need to go elsewhere with your RV for peace and quiet. One of the reasons the LWSA likes the site is for its natural beauty and its tranquility. There will be a noticeable increase in the amount of activity once we're up and running, but there will also be extended periods when that level of activity will be very restrained and minimal. At all times, I promise you, we will be taking our neighbors' desires for peaceful enjoyment of their properties into consideration and acting accordingly!

Regards,

Tom Mullen, President
Lake Winnipesaukee Sailing Association, Inc.

Hello Tom....so's I got a question for you.....if I want to mail a fifty dollar check to help pay to build the new Winnipesaukee sailing school at Ellacoya....then where does it get mailed.....and to what should the check be made payable to?

I must say Tom, you've certainly made the case for you being a desirable neighbor. You've brought up points that show you're not only thinking about adverse consequences, but that you care about adjoining impacts.

I don;t think it's a stretch to say that the LWSA could be considered an asset to all if everyone joins in to properly fund it, and access is available and even complementary.

Is there any plausible way that boat launching and other services could be made available to the campers? This could be yet another source of revenue, not to mention sailing lessons and the like.

Just thinking out loud here. You've presented a good case.

Hello VtSteve,

It's pretty simple -- treat your neighbors the way you'd like them to treat you! We will need a lot of help to get this complex built and that help will need to flow from a lot of people who don't sail, at least not yet.

With the permission of the State of New Hampshire's Parks & Recreation Division and with the involvement of the Marine Division of the Department of Public Safety, we fully intend to make boat launching available to the campers and to others who currently have the right to access the launching ramp at Ellacoya that the LWSA will be improving as part of its construction program.

All of our programs for children and adults will be open to public participation and we hope to make the phrase "Ready About" part of the vocabulary for hundreds of Granite Staters and visitors to the Lakes Region.

By the way, I neglected to tell FatLazyLess in my last response to his post about donations that when a donation is made of $25 or more after June 30th, the donor also gets a Membership in the LWSA for the balance of the current year and for all of the coming year as well.

Thanks for thinking out loud -- it's music to my ears!!!

Regards,

Tom Mullen, President
Lake Winnipesaukee Sailing Association, Inc.

information
 

:look:

I wish someone would clear up some of the information on this thread.

For example isn't Ellacoya Park only 31 acres with the rest across the road
and listed as forestry by the State?

On the post dated 10-04-2010, 10:40 AM - the bath house is listed with a 12' dimension. I believe it is much bigger and will measure it next time I am up there unless someone already knows the real dimensions.

Any update on the wavefence design?

Some photographs, including an aereal photo, would be real informative here. Have you seen the courtesy aereal photo made by Bill Hemmel of the Laconia Library at www.laconialibrary.org .... one good aereal photo taken on a sunny day can go a long way...

correcting information
 

I measured the current bath house and it measures 26' x 48' - This does not count the overhangs - 4 ft in opposite directions! I am amazed that Mr. Mullen never choose to correct this or some of the other incorrect information. This makes me very skeptical.

A NH taxpayer and LSP Club member.

Hello Mr. Whalley,

Season's Greetings to you and your family!

I think you are saying to me that the size of the existing bath house adjacent to our proposed pavilion is larger than we have shown on the Site Plan. I take your word for that and I will make sure our team double checks the dimensions to make sure we have the existing building properly sized on the final plans. Please understand that the drawings to date are preliminary in nature and that far more precise field measurements will be completed so that the final plans are absolutely correct.

Thanks for bringing this matter to our consideration and I assure you we will have very accurate and complete measurements of all existing site conditions before moving forward.

You indicate that some other information I have provided is incorrect. Will you please make me aware of what information provided to date falls into the incorrect category and I will attempt to address any and all concerns forthwith. It is our intent to be accurate and complete with all of our disclosures in the interest of fully informing LSP as to our intentions at Ellacoya.

If I am not mistaken, your name is one of the names I have been given as being a member of a group at LSP looking into our project. As in the past, I am available to meet with you and others to make sure you are fully informed as to out intentions. Name the time and place and I will do my best to be available.

Sincerely,

Tom Mullen, President
Lake Winnipesaukee Sailing Center, Inc.

I'm just looking at Google Earth today of Ellacoya State Park as I got interested in this thread. I AM a Sailor.

In Newport, RI we have Sail Newport situated at Fort Adams which is a State Park. There is plenty of room at this location. Almost all the boats are "Dry Sailed".... ie: The boats are stored On Land.. On Trailers .... and launched when required. Other larger boats are on moorings. There is ROOM.

I see NO SUCH ROOM at Ellacoya. You need room for Car Parking AND Boat Parking.

I also see some very shallow water for quite a distance off shore at that site. I think someone mentioned this much earlier. If the prevailing wind is on shore..and the sailors are NOVICE...STUDENTS..getting a daggerboard boat ..such as a Laser, into deep enough water to sail OUT of the shallow water UPWIND is..at best frustrating...and at worst Futile...for a veteran OR a beginner.

I have no dog in this fight but this idea seems ...A REAL STRETCH. There is NO Space..... unless you TAKE OVER and Eliminate the RV Park. Just sayin...

I am a Sailor..(Offshore and Long Distance..30+ years) and I promote youth learning to sail. I think Ellacoya is not the place. :look: NB

Hello!

I worked for several hours today on a response to the issues raised in your e-mail, but Ifailed to save it and subsequently I lost it.

Please call me at 603-759-2510 so we can chat. You have raised several important issues that we have addressed in detail and I'd like to discuss them with you. Happy New Year!

Tom Mullen

Quote from my post. ...."and I promote youth learning to sail....." NB

Hi Tom: Perhaps I should have used a different term such as I "Encourage" youth learning to sail. I am not engaged, nor have I been engaged in actually Promoting sailing for youths. Sorry if my post was misleading. :look: NB

A photo or a few photos of the existing Ellacoya RV campground, waterfront area, bathroom building, access road, and existing bootleg boat ramp and circular dirt drive would add a lot to this thread.

It sure seems to me that there's a heck of a lot of open and unused area abutting the undeveloped sandy beach that's in front of the rv campground. As it currently exists, the sandy beach has no dock, no paved boat launch access, no accessory building(s), no mooring field, no boats, no nothing except a sandy natural beach. Immediately next door, you have the Lake Shore park residential area which is a lot more thoroughly developed and used. There is a sewerage pumping station located just across the chain link fence, on Ellacoya property, from the Lake Shore Park, which is probably one reason why so much cottage construction, close to one another, was allowed there over the last 125-years (or, something like that:confused:?).

where is my Staples "easy button"
 

"That was easy"

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Thanks for the aerial photo......never could have done that myself....too technology challenging for me......technology dummy here! That's an excellent photo too, so thanks again!

From the photo, it looks like the unlabeled sewerage pumping station utility building is actually on the Lake Shore Park property, and right on the right hand border between Lake Shore Park & the waterfront dirt access road in Ellacoya.

Just look at all the oak trees in full leaf up top, just below the sandy beach, and not far from the rest room building.......a considerable amount of open treed space there. The rest room building is on the right side, close to the boundary, close to the unimproved boat launch, and close to the sandy beach. That one large restroom & shower building is the only structure that is up front of the rv parking sites and somewhat close to the water.

A healthy looking stream, the Poor Farm Brook, separates the rv campground (37 sites-forty seven dollars/night) on the right from the public (four dollar/adults) bathing beach on the left. If I remember correct, the U.S. Geological Survey is the federal agency that has a water level monitoring station on or in the Poor Farm Brook and close to the state highway.

The entire Ellacoya State Beach(left side) and RV Campground(right side) has 65.5 acres total, combined between the two, side by side, State of New Hampshire facilities.

Is there enough room up front for a sailing center on the under-used and totally undeveloped beach in front of the rv campground? Considering that the state wants the sailing center to pay for improvements to the access road, boat launch, and large rest room and shower building plus of course the expense of building the sailing center building and dock system plus some other items I do not recall......it would be a major community fund raising effort all around.

I Stand Corrected
 

I had no idea that Ellacoya boundry extended to the left, beyond the RV campground. I had thought the campground was IT. So maybe this idea is feasable after all. :look: NB

That's a Satellite Photo using Google Earth. It's real easy. Just "Google" ..Google Earth and download it and install it, then try it yourself. It's FREE. You can go anywhere in world and Zoom Down and see whatever you wish. When it's installed, it puts an Icon on your desktop so you can go there anytime. Find your own house. Look in your neighbors back yard..the one with the high fence...:D NB

Yes the pumping station is on the LSP side
 

When the state wanted to put the line in, LSP allowed it to run thru the park, under our marina and then on thru Ellacoya. Saved the state tearing up Rt. 11 and made the hook-up for all of us in LSP a lot less expensive. Good deal all around.

while I believe that the sailing program is an asset to all who take advantage of it,I must admit I am abit concerned as once you allow private concerns on public land it becomes very difficult to undue.While funds are needed from donations to keep the sailing program alive and growing I still haven't seen why a pavillion is needed. I would love to see my daughter learn to sail if she chooses I would donate for the opportunity,so I guess I'm missing the need for a new structure. If participants are either pay as you go or donating for the program is there really a need to add another burden such as building maintanence to the equation? JMHO,but I think maybe it deserves a look,and by the way if you haven't guessed I think the sailing program is a benefit to the region.

Facts
 

I went to the Gilford tax map and the amount of land on the water side of route 11 that the Park actually uses is only 23 acres. According to the state website the land on the opposite side would be very difficult to develop for campsites. Unfortunately the size of the map file is to large to post.

Here is a link for the map. You can zoom in to it and it will give acres. http://www.mapsonline.net/gilfordnh/

I share the concern, the "rules" are not very clear. Here is a link to a bit of the history and "rules" for use of State parks. This link in specific to pavilions, but the entire site is worth a read.

http://www.nhstateparks.org/explore/...pavilions.aspx

NH has a strong history of the use of "public lands" for various activities. The whole website is educational. Hunters, campers, hikers, fishing , ski machine etc.. That's a good thing if and only if the people that use the public lands stick to the guidelines and rules of use.

The folks at the sailing club seem to me to have made a good case for approval of the sailing center. As a next door neighbor at LSP, I am concerned that the pavilion could be misused if the rules for it's use where not carefully crafted. That part of their proposal would needs to be watched very carefully.

JMHO

Here is your map. (from Town map)

Note LSP property is on the right, the small blocked off area halfway down the line between LSP and Ellacoya is the state sewer pumping station.

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FLL
The sewerage pumping station utility building is not on Lake Shore Park property. The boundaries are marked in yellow.

http://localhostr.com/file/aE0e0jF/Ellacoya.JPG

The below photo shows the land on the opposite side of Rt 11.

http://localhostr.com/file/eSDTVz0/Ellacoya2.JPG

Thanks for the clarification.
 

Sam, is correct, I misstated. :emb: The cut out chunk of land for the pumping station transferred to the state at the time of the construction of the pumping station.

As many reading this already know, the Ames Farm Inn boat launch area is a 5-10 minute drive south of the Ellacoya State Beach & RV Campground. With Ames' boat launch area now closed to none inn guests, i.e. day-tripper trailer boaters, it seems to me that building a state boat launch at Ellacoya that includes vehicle parking and rest rooms would quickly have Ellacoya replacing Ames as it was formerly used.

Newfound, Squam, & Winnisquam all have no-charge state boat launches whose construction was paid with money from boat registration fees. Winnipesaukee does not have a similar STATE boat launch, so putting one in at Ellacoya would be a big benefit to trailer boaters.

Is there room at Ellacoya for a sailboat center, boat launch, parking and existing rv campground? As the saying goes; where there's a will, there is a way! Or, at least a number of very interested family members:D!
..............

Ok.......here's something else for all you legal-beagles out there to consider! If we take a look at the original 1963 gift of the 65.5 acres of Ellacoya land that was donated by Heap Big Chief Ellacoya to the peoples of New Hampshire, we can easily see that this wonderfull 65.5 acre parcel of waterfront land came with a few strings attached. Namely, it came with a watersport use stipulation; "Whereby said 65.5 acres that includes two separate natural sandy beaches of 750' and 450' it is my strong belief that the entire 65.5 acres should be devoted to waterfront activities: Specifically; swimming, boating, sailing, sunbathing, waterskiing, wading, trailer boating, teaching sailing, kayaking, canoing, rowboating, rafting, motorboating, fishing, scuba diving and related activities!"

Note that rv campgrounding is simply not amoung the list of encouraged waterfront activities......NOT....as in NOWHERE....so what the heck is an rv campground that charges $47/night doing on the shores of Lake Winnipesaukee. Besides, most nights something like 75-90% of the sites go unused! And, consider that the not-so-far-away White Mountain National Forest has 23 different tent/rv campgrounds spread all over the highly scenic and geographically signifigant mountains of the white mountains and the U S Forest Service charges much less! The 23 WMNF campgrounds only cost $16 or $20/night depending on the individual campground's location!

So take that Ellacoya RV Campground......you are most definately way over-priced and way under-used and simply do not belong .......so just go away....and prepare to get reconstructed into a more State of NH - user friendly waterfront type of a use!!

thankyou & goodnight,
Ellecoya's grandson

I hate to say it but I'm kind of with FLL on having some public boat ramp facilities on that site.

Its too shallow in there for a "Ramp"

Wave Fence
 

Tom Mullen has mentioned in two separate posts that a “Wave Fence” would be necessary to protect the mooring field, docks and sail boats from winds from the northeast, north and northwest. Not knowing what a “Wave Fence” was, I searched the Web and found the following. A “Wave Fence”, commercially called a “Wave Brake” is a floating device that is deployed similar to a “swim line”, except that it is approximately 6-8 feet wide and 3-4 feet high (see picture). Reviews of the Wave Brake are mixed; it does reduce wave action, but at the same time it also reduces line of sight from the beach. Especially from a seated position. The manufacture also warns of danger to swimmers. The device is heavy and in rough waves could injury a swimmer. Also there are a number of “pinch points” that could cause injuries to a swimmer trying to hold on to the device.

The "Wave Brake" would be deployed from the beach (near LSP) and run out (north) approximately 150 yards, then west paralal to beach until it hit the Scenic Drive shore.

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Is this already a done deal ?
 

Mr Mullen is well known, wealthy, and a politically influential man...all the questions, replies, complaints, and whatever else in the forum will not stop him from getting what he wants. The only way he will be stopped is thru the state and / or courts. He will not give up on this project because of a small group of disgruntled people. It doesn't hurt to nag Mr. Mullen via the Forum but we should also be 'nagging' the local and state politicians.