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Heaven 10-10-2024 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler (Post 396992)
I think the current owners will sell only IF they can get their $3.5 million dollar asking price otherwise I think they will stay put.

Unfortunately all the Pier 19 valuable assets have long since been sold off (i.e. the island docking spaces) and it will be hard to make serious money there in a year 'round environment. I think it's good for four open months each year for some very good income.

The business is extremely labor intensive and I find it is usually poorly staffed (waiting for a clerk to buy gas, prepare food or checking out gets old fast).

My business model? I would install a huge dormered area on the second floor facing the lake and obtain a seasonal pouring liquor license so that one could sit there and admire the lake view while enjoying food and beverages. Plenty of seating upstairs would be a game changer for the business. Maybe an on site restaurant may be something to consider......

Yippee another place to drink. What is needed is four studio apartments to house the employees that serve the busness.

SAB1 10-10-2024 09:20 PM

That was the plan when she had when she bought the house at end of Union Whaft Rd. Or at least thats was the rumor. Not sure what happened.

C-Bass 10-10-2024 10:09 PM

I'm not sure of the financial position of the association but, i wonder if they would consider buying it. They could demolish the building, and put a storage building for their boats, free up some parking, plant some trees, landscaped up nice it could be a nice spot. They could privatize the gas pumps and they'll own their own fuel source.

Heaven 10-10-2024 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Bass (Post 396997)
I'm not sure of the financial position of the association but, i wonder if they would consider buying it. They could demolish the building, and put a storage building for their boats, free up some parking, plant some trees, landscaped up nice it could be a nice spot. They could privatize the gas pumps and they'll own their own fuel source.

Yes, a storage building for boats would really improve the scenic drive for everyone else.

knowit 10-11-2024 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by SAB1 (Post 396996)
That was the plan when she had when she bought the house at end of Union Whaft Rd. Or at least thats was the rumor. Not sure what happened.

I was wondering why she bought that house. Work has slowed to a crawl over there.

The Real BigGuy 10-11-2024 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Flotnjr (Post 396953)
Any idea where the news of it being for sale came from? 3.5M seems a bit excessive since when it was last sold it was under $900K. I know there was a lot of improvements to the building after the sale- but not as much that would come close to justifying that asking price.


A friend sent me a picture of the real estate agent’s sale page. Can’t remember which firm but, I believe it was out of Wolfeboro.


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The Real BigGuy 10-11-2024 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Bass (Post 396997)
I'm not sure of the financial position of the association but, i wonder if they would consider buying it. They could demolish the building, and put a storage building for their boats, free up some parking, plant some trees, landscaped up nice it could be a nice spot. They could privatize the gas pumps and they'll own their own fuel source.


That came up when it was for sale a few years ago. Keep the building as storage & a club house, keep the gas dock and snack bar to generate revenue during the summer. At 900k it was probably doable but not something the association wanted at the time. At 3.5 mil it’s not even worth talking about.


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FlyingScot 10-11-2024 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy (Post 397021)
That came up when it was for sale a few years ago. Keep the building as storage & a club house, keep the gas dock and snack bar to generate revenue during the summer. At 900k it was probably doable but not something the association wanted at the time. At 3.5 mil it’s not even worth talking about.


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This is an interesting point. Real estate prices in the area have skyrocketed. But is the store worth any more today than it was 5 years ago? Not really

bobkatfly 10-11-2024 06:29 PM

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Hmmm, it's not April 1st. Not sure what's going on here but after speaking with the owner she said it's not currently for sale but if someone offered her $3.5 she said she'd be foolish not to accept. I guess lots of people have been calling her about it. I couldn't find any MLS listing either.
I guess....stay tuned.

The Real BigGuy 10-13-2024 09:11 AM

Not Surprised
 
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I am totally not surprised that you would hear that from the owner. From what I have heard, her history of truthfulness when dealing with the condo association has been less than exemplary.

I dug out the old e-mail with the sell sheet (attached below) from my various accounts. Note that the property is described as 4.3 acres w/37 parking spaces. As I understand it, the association owns the land and the parking although, under the association documents the store unit is allowed 37 spaces. I believe that the association met with the realtors to ask them make the appropriate corrections. Maybe this is why she says it now no longer for sale.

bobkatfly 10-13-2024 09:35 AM

How old is the old e-mail?

The Real BigGuy 10-13-2024 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by bobkatfly (Post 397057)
How old is the old e-mail?


7/25 of this year.


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bobkatfly 10-13-2024 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy (Post 397058)
7/25 of this year.


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Interesting. It's not currently on Maxfield's commercial listing. I noticed Spider Web is back on there though.

The Real BigGuy 10-13-2024 09:55 AM

My guess is that without the 4.3 acres and parking spaces someone (owner or Maxfield) realized the couldn’t justify the price and pulled it.


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FlyingScot 10-13-2024 09:59 AM

Just idle speculation, but if we take all the recent posts, one could surmise--

A realtor told her the place was worth $3.5MM, she said "OMG...sell it now!". The realtor began talking this up to others to prep the market a bit...and then they realized $3.5MM is insane.

knowit 10-13-2024 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Real BigGuy (Post 397054)
I am totally not surprised that you would hear that from the owner. From what I have heard, her history of truthfulness when dealing with the condo association has been less than exemplary.

I dug out the old e-mail with the sell sheet (attached below) from my various accounts. Note that the property is described as 4.3 acres w/37 parking spaces. As I understand it, the association owns the land and the parking although, under the association documents the store unit is allowed 37 spaces. I believe that the association met with the realtors to ask them make the appropriate corrections. Maybe this is why she says it now no longer for sale.

Very, very misleading how that sale sheet is written. Make one think you actually own land with the listing. No land is included at all.

The Real BigGuy 10-13-2024 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot (Post 397061)
Just idle speculation, but if we take all the recent posts, one could surmise--

A realtor told her the place was worth $3.5MM, she said "OMG...sell it now!". The realtor began talking this up to others to prep the market a bit...and then they realized $3.5MM is insane.

You give her far too much credit. I think she told the agent 4.3 acres with waterfront and 37 spaces. When the association pointed out the reality, the agent told her 3.5 was a pipe dream and said they wouldn’t list it because it would never sell.


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TheTimeTraveler 10-13-2024 11:24 AM

I'd love to look at her books to see how much NET money she has made or loss over the past three years.

It is that figure which will actually likely determine as to what the property is really worth.

The Real BigGuy 10-13-2024 11:31 AM

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tis 05-21-2025 04:03 PM

Pier 19 IS listed for sale again.

Just Wonderin 05-21-2025 05:26 PM

Pier 19 Store for sale
 
I hope it sells but I think it’s waaaaay overpriced at $3,500,000. I hope the sellers become more reasonable, if they’re really interested in selling. Skelley’s Market in Moultonborough sold for $1,200,000 just a little over two years ago.

TheTimeTraveler 05-21-2025 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tis (Post 400566)
Pier 19 IS listed for sale again.


Is she still asking $3.5 million or has she dropped it?

thinkxingu 05-21-2025 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheTimeTraveler (Post 400570)
Is she still asking $3.5 million or has she dropped it?

This listing shows active at $3.5M.

https://commercial.primemls.com/list...tworth/5041027

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FlyingScot 05-23-2025 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Wonderin (Post 400568)
I hope it sells but I think it’s waaaaay overpriced at $3,500,000. I hope the sellers become more reasonable, if they’re really interested in selling. Skelley’s Market in Moultonborough sold for $1,200,000 just a little over two years ago.

I frequent frequent both and would guess that Skelley's is 5X or more the traffic.

Also curious from the listing--the "local hot spot" does just under $2MM/year. If profit is 5-10%, how many years is that to pay off $3.5MM? :eek:

I hope she doesn't need the $

tis 05-23-2025 07:50 AM

I was thinking that too, but it is lakefront property and look at the prices of houses on the lake and what they are selling for!

NH.Solar 05-24-2025 03:28 PM

"Lake front property"? Notice that the listing doesn't seem to list the amount of water frontage, the disputes and inhinderances surrounding it, nor the potential cost of removing the gas tanks and pumps. Thomas Tusser had a great expression for this property.

The Real BigGuy 05-29-2025 02:29 PM

Don't forget, the store is a unit of a condominium association and, the other units of the association are the boat slips which occupy 100% of the water frontage.

knowit 06-05-2025 04:05 PM

The last gas I got from them seemed to have water in it.. I would not buy gas for your boat from them.


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