If you note, Mueller says nothing! He's a very smart man! He just does his job regardless of what anyone says and ignores all the outside noise. He's not looking to sway public opinion he's just looking for facts.

Personally, I think he's just reveling in the fact that he will get the last laugh.

Maybe, but I get the impression he is not much of a reveler. He seems really shy and reserved and there's no history of gloating with that guy. He seems like the Bill Belichick of prosecutors.

You also can't make stuff up and submit it to a court for surveillance purposes knowing the source of it is questionable at best.

Is this really the precedence you'd like to set, make up a story start an investigation and have political hit jobs going on back and forth between rival parties? All you need to do is open an investigation then search for ANYTHING that might destroy the subject. If that's where we are going I suggest doing the same for every member of congress starting with those that have been there the longest!

We shall see what comes out from this release of information but I can bet the contents will put the entire basis of this investigation in question, and furthermore could very well show that coordination of this may have reached beyond the DOJ and FBI. Now I'm no Obama lover, frankly I didn't like him at all, but I really hope this doesn't uncover that he was a knowing participant because that would be unfortunate. While I never liked his policies I'd like to think he had enough integrity to not condone this sort of thing never mind being a participant.

I understand politics is an ugly business, but these days it's not ugly it's disgusting when in the pursuit of power people are destroying one another. This sets the stage and example for everyone else - when leaders act like this is there no surprise that the electorate is equally divided and confrontational. Difference of opinion is one thing, letting that get as combative as it has is destructive to this nation as a whole I don't care what political ideology you happen to adhere to. Sadly I firmly believe there are forces at work that want this country to be tore apart and destroyed and the big question is why?

One could reasonably assume that if the FISA warrant was indeed obtained illegally, lawyers would have jumped all over that when defending Manafort, Flynn, Papadopoulos, Gates, Van Der Zwaan, Pinedo, Patten and Cohen. It would have been the easiest defense to mount.

Basically, the FISA warrant legality question comes down to believing either:

A. That a whole bunch of expensive defense attorneys all forgot to implement the easiest defense ever. AND A guy who lies all the time is telling the truth, this time.

OR

B. The FISA warrant was legally obtained.

I'm pragmatic, I believe option B. All those convictions/guilty pleas make it to impossible to believe option A.

Who is the guy that lies all the time? Trump? Name one lie that comes even remotely close to "if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor?" Or better yet, "I did not have sex with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky" (Otherwise referred to in this thread as the "fat intern.")

Get your timeline straight. When the FISA warrants were obtained, no one knew they were based on the Democrat paid for dossier. NONE of the convictions involve Trump or supposed Russian collusion. Most of the convictions involve lying to FBI during interviews. Only Manafort's appears to be substantive, but for wrongdoings way before he was ever involved with Trump or his election. All the rest are for providing false official statements. Only recently did we become aware that warrants were obtained by using false information so the defendants did not have that defense available to them at that time. It appears that Carter Page may be reneging on his plea deal. It also appears that all of the people who accepted plea deals are in for a huge payday.

Anyway, you're just trolling. If you can't see how despicable and dishonorable democrats have been since the election, there's no convincing you otherwise.

Yeah, do you really think he's honest?

How could you possibly know that the Steele Dossier was the only basis for the FISA warrants?

Yes, why do you believe he's dishonest? He's done or tried to do everything he promised in his campaign.

You won't find it on CNN or MSNCB, but if you watched Fox News you would know why. The dossier is at the heart of the warrant request.

If you want to educate yourself on the fisa warrants, and this whole corrupt DOJ, look up these reporters: Sarah Carter, Kimberly Strassel, and John Soloman. Also look up Greg Jarrett, he is a lawyer and he wrote a book out about the whole thing. It would do you some good to watch a few episodes of Sean Hannity as well, or listen to his radio show. You will learn alot from Hannity. He explains everything just about every day, and NEW stuff comes out every day. STUFF THAT THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA HAS BEEN IGNORING FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS!!! These five people have been all over this deep state corruption for the last two years!!! The media has been complicit with the deep state, but they can't ignore it much longer... It is real, and it is deeper than anyone thought possible, but it is finally coming to light... and I would bet any amount of money that Obama knows EVERYTHING about it. I believe it was him that weaponized the fbi, cia, doj, and the irs as well. There are text messages between peter struk and lisa page about the "boss" (Obama) wanting to know EVERYTHING that is going on!! When the New York Times starts to write about it, you know the S##t is about to hit the fan. The NYT has an article today about Rod Rosenstein wanting to secretly tape trump to use as "evidence" to throw Trump out of office. There is a lot more to it, but you can look it up for yourselves if you don't want to believe me... The information is out there, you just have to look it up for yourself because the MSM is corrupt and is just an extension of the democrat party, and will NOT report what doesn't fit their agenda. They are fake news.

The answer to your question is simple. POWER. That is all Liberals care about. They don't care about this country, women, blacks, Hispanics, gays, lesbians, or anything else. They just use these things as pawns in their chess game to get what they want: POWER. If you want proof, I have the perfect example. Right now we have this circus going on about Judge Kavanaugh. Democrats say he is "guilty" of whatever his accuser has accused him of so he shouldn't be confirmed to the SCOTUS, even though the accuser hasn't even told her side of the story yet. So, if Judge Kavanaugh shouldn't be confirmed because an accusation has been made, how come you don't hear a peep out of any Liberals about Keith Ellison??? If you don't know who he is, look him up because you won't hear anything about him from the main stream media!!! If the liberals were really sincere in their beliefs, then they would be calling for the head of Keith Ellison like they are calling for the head of Kavanaugh, but they're not because Ellison has a "D" next to his name!! I won't even get into Ted Kennedy... who they admired so much he became "The Lion of the Senate" to them. REALLY????????????? Can you say DOUBLE STANDARD??? Do you see the problem here??? I don't mean "you" Maxum, I think you and I are pretty much on the same page, I'm speaking to the "other's" that don't see what we see when it is right there in front of their face!!

Keep in mind that the FISA warrant was the entry point to this investigation and in particular to watch Carter Page who ironically has never been charged with anything. That was the door opening to the FBI and DOJ to go on a fishing expedition for whatever they could find. The others who have been caught in this have been charged with making misleading statements which in and of itself is bad, but they have not lead the investigation that we know of to any significant findings related to the core purpose of this investigation. The validity of the FISA warrant cannot be used as a defense of these individuals because them being targeted is a separate issue. How is Manafort going to use that as a defense for example? What he did and got busted for is a completely separate issue all together. That doesn't clear him from wrong doing just saying they are in no way related - in fact if I'm not mistaken the prosecution of that case was handed off to a different group of people.

The bigger issue here is the way this investigation started, based on what evidence and so forth. While the FISA application presented may have been legal and approved by a judge, the omission of facts related to the supporting evidence presented to obtain it is what is in question. Clearly if there were omissions or misleading information presented to secure this warrant then that is a big problem, especially when you look at who knew what when these were signed off. The evidence thus far as reported is indicating that dossier was a key piece of evidence presented, those that signed off on the warrant knew who gathered that information and who paid for it, and there was a clear link between Fusion GPS, Steel, Ohr who was the conduit to backchannel information into the feds. Such an elaborate scheme only leads one to conclude somebody was trying to cover their tracks. Then we have the leaking of information to the media all done and timed in a coordinated fashion. Something here stinks really bad.

Bottom line the whole basis of this "investigation" seems to be a complete sham but when you have the head honchos at the FBI and DOJ pushing this who's going to question it? Where is the oversight of their actions? Why isn't any of this being looked at. How Mueller can honestly keep this going knowing the entire basis of this was tainted shows me one of two things. He has zero integrity or another partisan hack.

What's sad about this is that the credibility of both the DOJ and FBI have been seriously damaged by this. That should be the big story coming out of this, but it seems that is irrelevant to many on the left as the end justifies the means. That's pretty scary.

It will be interesting to see what comes out with all the information that gets declassified. If the dems are crying national security and keep it away from the public eye, and now the UK is crying as well, there has to be some interesting information coming that they don't want in the public arena. It begs the question as to why. Soon enough we'll find out.

"Shadow Government", "Shadow-Banning"—Heard of it?
 

"Changing public opinion" has been the macro-focus of the media. They're being called the "Fifth Column" for a reason. :mad:

If you have a Smart Phone, you can tune-out from TV ONCE, and tune-in to Hannity on 610 AM-radio at WGIR-Manchester. During just one three hour show, he will educate you with everything we're discussing here—and how media is propagandizing with every broadcast.

It's alarming how the Electorate has become so propagandized! They don't know that, first, the IRS became "weaponized". Now it's the DOJ and FBI! :eek:

:confused: Who knows how extensive the "Deep State" has become—except that Obama maintains an office in sight of the White House. :eek: (And his former advisor, Valerie Jarrett, shares the house with him). :confused:

Why do I have to search for the British Daily Mail for a picture of Obama's newly-gated, rental-mansion? Is it because Google is "shadow-banning" such photographs? :eek2:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017...3719818389.jpg

DC=District of Corruption...

Why would you ever vote Democrat, seeing they are morphing into Democratic-Socialists? They'll be the ones "in charge of supplying the food"! :eek:

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Another great source of information on the whole deep state corruption is to watch Judge Jeanine Pirro's show on the Fox news channel on Saturday nights at 9pm. She is a PITBULL. Not bad to look at either (for a 60 something year old woman!!). Her opening monologue is usually pretty interesting... Highly recommended. Most liberals tell me Fox news sucks, Hannity sucks, Rush Limbaugh sucks, etc,etc, "I NEVER listen to them", but you can't possibly get all your news and information from one place. That is just stupid, and makes you stupid. I watch msnbsc (Brian Williams who was fired from NBC nightly news cast for lying about Katrina) in the morning, and cnn when I get home from work till 8pm, and then I switch to Fox for the rest of the night. I hate watching cnn and msnbc, but I do it every day because I'm fascinated to see how far these people will go to spread their BS. It amazes me every day. You need to pay attention to BOTH sides and decide who you are going to trust for the facts. I agree that Fox is slanted to the right, but they are definitely more credible in my book than any other news channel, IMHO. No one from Fox has ever been fired or suspended for intentionally lying about "the facts"!! You have Brian Williams and Dan Rather on the "other side" that have both been fired for lying, but you never really heard about it... NBC did bring Brian Williams back after a "suspension", but he is out of "prime time" and is basically all washed up. So there is a pattern with the MSM that you don't see at Fox. Just the facts. Also, fwiw, another interesting guy to keep an eye on is James O'keefe from Project Veritas. He is doing GOD'S work. Check out his video's on you tube.

It's easy to say that FOX news is right and everyone else is wrong when your way of thinking aligns with the slant the commentators have. Anyone of a liberal mindset would say just the opposite and that MSNBC or CNN or fill in tbe blank is telling the truth and correct and FOX news or Newsmax (another great channel) is wrong. They all get things wrong but I do agree these days CNN and MSNBC are the worst at pushing stories that aren't accurate or flat out wrong. People now a days aren't interested in "unbiased" news anymore they want it delivered in a package of their liking.

The commentators are what they are, much as I like Hannity after a while I get a little tired of him because at times he simply over does it just like Maddow who I can barely stand to listen to for 10 minutes. Tucker Carlson is pretty good and probably the most level headed opinion guy out there. Glad he's got that show defiantly an upgrade from O'Reilly.

Ellison (D) and Brennan...(D)
 

This Brian Williams?

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Keith Ellison (D) the Middle-Eastern-system convert—the wife-beater? :eek:

It's allowed in that "system". ("Just don't hit 'em where it shows"). :eek2:

As for Brennan:

When I got a U. S. Navy Classified Clearance, I was asked if I'd ever joined the W.E.B. DuBois Society. That name, W.E.B. DuBois, an American Communist, showed up on the 1976 ballot for the Presidency. :eek:

Probably the briefest YouTube you've ever seen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEnlAu_edNg

I disagree with one thing you said here. I believe (most) people would want the NEWS delivered to them objectively (if asked HONESTLY about it) so they can form their opinions with an informed mind. Most people don't even realize they are getting news fed to them on a "biased" basis ( as it's happening to them), ie: millennials!!! It's the dumbing down of America. I believe that NOT telling an important news story (because it doesn't fit an agenda), is the same thing as lying. PROPAGANDA. In a (truly) free society, it is imperative that journalists are objective. However, I agree that most people like to tune in to OPINION shows that they are like minded too, ie: Hannity, Maddow, etc,etc, that is just human nature, and that's fine, they are not "advertising" themselves as the "NEWS". "NEWS" programs that are not objective shouldn't be advertising themselves as "the news"!! It's just wrong, and it's the ENTIRE main stream media, and I think our libel laws need to be "reformed" so that so called "news" channels are held accountable. I realize it can be a slippery slope with the first amendment, but there has to be some sort of "regulation" on these so called "news" programs that spew their propaganda... Again, IMHO.

'Never to Be Seen on The Media...
 

• Now Democrats are indicating they'll impeach the newest Republican Supreme Court nominee, even if he's confirmed by the Senate: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...confirmed.html

• Accuser hired same attorney who "Borked" Republican's previous nominee, Robert Bork. "Was also involved with Anita Hill’s decision to testify against Supreme Court Nominee Clarence Thomas"—Politico
Audio recording of plot: http://dailycaller.com/2018/09/21/ri...eat-kavanaugh/

• High School Yearbook scrubbed of accuser's sex/alcohol environment: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...s-and-elitism/

• Her witness, Ms. Keyser, does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Christine Ford.” https://ktvq.com/cnn-us-politics/201...d-about-party/

• A third named witness denies accuser's allegations. https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...s-allegations/

• Christine Blasey Ford is a co-author of at least eight published scientific papers produced by the pharmaceutical giant to promote its mifepristone abortion pills. http://www.corcept.com/prod...

• Christine Ford’s brother was formerly employed at the D.C. offices of Baker & Hostetler LLP. That’s the same firm that made payments over half a million dollars to Fusion GPS. https://www.pacificpundit.com/2018/0...to-fusion-gps/

• Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent towards, or resistance against lawful authority...—Wikipedia

• Expect a book, a movie, and that the accuser—however discredited—will become a millionaire. :rolleye1:

As usual, it's ALL politics. Democrats (and ANYONE that KNOWINGLY supports them) are RUTHLESS scumbags that have NO problem destroying otherwise decent people. IT IS SO WRONG. They need to be held accountable... GO TRUMP!!!!

It's amazing to me the vast corruption that the FBI DID NOT FIND in the Obama White House.

If you were President Trump, what would you think about 43 former Obama "Czars" who have converted to Civil-Service employment in DC—impervious to firing while creating mischief or treason? :mad:

("Czar" Van Jones was outed as an admitted Communist—founder of a Communist cell—and resigned).

Valerie Jarrett shares a DC mansion with Obama—today—in sight of the White House.

The FISA warrant "onion" is slowly being peeled away.

An effort (later abandoned) by Republicans was picked up the Democrats (Hillary's DNC), who gave it to a DC attorney group (Perkins-Coie), who contracted with "Fusion GPS", a group who has, as a member, Nellie Ohr. Her husband, Bruce Ohr works at the FBI...

Each time the Steele Dossier exchanges hands, many dollars go to "Fusion GPS". The FBI indicated it wanted copies, but that was dropped when impropriety raised its ugly head.
This is all the work of the Deep State. It's in e-book form, so DaveR doesn't have to listen to Sean Hannity. ;)

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If only the good people of this great country could somehow be awakened or enlightened to see “beyond” the extremely, biased mainstream media...
I would like to think it’s happening slowly but I fear their minds are too closed and they feel the need to follow their party (democrat) right over the cliff.
So sad and disheartening that our country has become so divided over politics.
Whoever thought that the USA might EVER be on a path toward the sickening, idea of socialism.
I would never have thought this in a million years, yet here it is staring us in the face with the prospect of a few blue elections being won.
I would be so grateful to see America the way it was before...where our government debated issues and got common sense laws passed that took compromises from both sides and followed the will of the people.
What do we have? Oppose, resist, block, threaten, protest, riot, calls for violence and disruption of lives...etc., ad nauseum...not to mention the deep state and the loss of respect and trust for the institutions which were once the backbone of law, order and justice.
God help us.

The issue that divides us
 

For those of you who do not think Trump is intelligent, he quite accurately identified the primary issue that divides liberals (including democrats) and conservatives (including republicans). In speaking at the UN, Trump stated that "We will never surrender American sovereignty to an unelected, unaccountable global bureaucracy. America is governed by Americans," he said. "We reject the ideology of globalism, and we embrace the doctrine of patriotism." This is why I'm against globalist ideas like climate change, open borders, universal healthcare, $15 minimum wage, higher taxes, bigger government bureaucracies, etc. Our core value is liberty (patriotism), which isn't necessarily shared by our globalist friends in Europe. A bigger government equals less liberty.

His speech today at the UN was AWESOME!!!!! Probably his best speech yet, and quite possibly one of the best speeches of any US President in history!! (Top 5, anyways!!) I love this guy!! He is absolutely just what the country needed at this time in history!!!!! "The Lord works in mysterious ways..." (If that offends you, to bad, I don't care!!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0_tVMLnj94


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0_tVMLnj94

I'm not sure how this video relates to my comment about millennials, but I saw that episode of Sienfeld and Kramer was referring to not wearing any underwear!!! Seinfeld was a great show. My favorite episode was the one about "shrinkage"!! Pretty funny stuff.