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Outdoorsman 08-03-2018 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kawishiwi (Post 299366)
Maybe all of his lies, dishonest manipulations, and attempts to bully his way past the rules, and the courts, and by using his money to have politicians take up his case when he couldnt hood wink DES & the courts, caused this scumball to lose his ability to enjoy the place. With any luck he will have spent more fighting for this illegal monstrosity than he will gain from its sale.

How do you really feel? :rolleye1::rolleye2:

kawishiwi 08-03-2018 03:23 PM

Well...
 
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Originally Posted by Outdoorsman (Post 299367)
How do you really feel? :rolleye1::rolleye2:

Well...Just to be clear I...
;)

TiltonBB 08-03-2018 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kawishiwi (Post 299366)
Maybe all of his lies, dishonest manipulations, and attempts to bully his way past the rules, and the courts, and by using his money to have politicians take up his case when he couldnt hood wink DES & the courts, caused this scumball to lose his ability to enjoy the place. With any luck he will have spent more fighting for this illegal monstrosity than he will gain from its sale.

In just two sentences you have leveled many accusations without having any basis of fact to back up your erroneous allegations. You could not be more wrong and your post could not be more misguided and uninformed. A lot of information that significantly impacted this matter has never been made public. Much of the published information is simply not true. Fake News!

It is kind of funny, but really it is sad, when people who do not know someone, and have a very limited grasp of the facts regarding what really happened, publicly speculate, make unfounded allegations, and disparage the character of a man they do not even know.

And the bottom line is: Everything he did was with permits and when he was done with the work, he received an occupancy permit for the property. Nothing he did had or will ever have a negative impact on the lake.

joey2665 08-03-2018 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB (Post 299369)
In just two sentences you have leveled many accusations without having any basis of fact to back up your erroneous allegations. You could not be more wrong and your post could not be more misguided and uninformed. A lot of information that significantly impacted this matter has never been made public. Much of the published information is simply not true. Fake News!



It is kind of funny, but really it is sad, when people who do not know someone, and have a very limited grasp of the facts regarding what really happened, publicly speculate, make unfounded allegations, and disparage the character of a man they do not even know.



And the bottom line is: Everything he did was with permits and when he was done with the work, he received an occupancy permit for the property. Nothing he did had or will ever have a negative impact on the lake.



I’m so glad you posted this. It has been brewing inside me since the post popped up but I was using the 24 hour rule to calm down before I answered.

This is what happens when people only read part of an article or story or in the case of this site, just the last few posts and not the whole thread. They draw inaccurate conclusions.


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kawishiwi 08-03-2018 05:59 PM

Bullsh*t Meter @ 100%
 
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Originally Posted by TiltonBB (Post 299369)
In just two sentences you have leveled many accusations without having any basis of fact to back up your erroneous allegations. You could not be more wrong and your post could not be more misguided and uninformed. A lot of information that significantly impacted this matter has never been made public. Much of the published information is simply not true. Fake News!

It is kind of funny, but really it is sad, when people who do not know someone, and have a very limited grasp of the facts regarding what really happened, publicly speculate, make unfounded allegations, and disparage the character of a man they do not even know.

And the bottom line is: Everything he did was with permits and when he was done with the work, he received an occupancy permit for the property. Nothing he did had or will ever have a negative impact on the lake.

I read the court record. Your thoroughly unsubstatiated claims are COMPLETELY destroyed by the fact he was subject to a consent decree, a matter of public record, that he then intentionally failed to comply with. As part of the record is that he claims he got 'verbal' permission from DES, which on its face is a totally B.S. claim. My proof? That B.S. was shot down in court leading to the consent decree. So...he was NOT fully permitted, he was found out of compliance in court, he was subjected to a consent decree that he failed to live up to.

winni83 08-03-2018 06:10 PM

“A lot of information that significantly impacted this matter has never been made public. Much of the published information is simply not true. Fake News!‘

Perhaps if this non public information were made available there would be less confusion and suspicion. To say that it is Fake News and then refer to information that is not available as a defense does not add any credibility to the argument in favor of the owner.

Outdoorsman 08-03-2018 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kawishiwi (Post 299377)
“Who’s Your Vladdy?”

This is by far the oddest "signature" on this forum. Does it mean something to anyone other than you?

Hillcountry 08-03-2018 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Outdoorsman (Post 299381)
This is by far the oddest "signature" on this forum. Does it mean something to anyone other than you?

He happens to be a Trump hater so he adopted this signature to imply that “vladdy” (Vladimir putin) “owned” our President during their recent Helsinki summit...of course, Putin did nothing of the sort but the left does all they can to humiliate and demean our president. Thus, the takeoff on “who’s your daddy”

FlyingScot 08-03-2018 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB (Post 299369)
In just two sentences you have leveled many accusations without having any basis of fact to back up your erroneous allegations. You could not be more wrong and your post could not be more misguided and uninformed. A lot of information that significantly impacted this matter has never been made public. Much of the published information is simply not true. Fake News!

I don't think you should insult posters and the local newspaper. Both seem to have made a good faith effort based on public information.

But if you insist, I think you should back it up by posting the information that has not been made public and pointing out which pieces of the articles are "simply not true".

SteveO123 08-04-2018 06:50 AM

https://youtu.be/Ed5Bh_DbHPU

TiltonBB 08-04-2018 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingScot (Post 299397)
I don't think you should insult posters and the local newspaper. Both seem to have made a good faith effort based on public information.

But if you insist, I think you should back it up by posting the information that has not been made public and pointing out which pieces of the articles are "simply not true".

I would be glad to do that but it would require a breach of confidentiality that I will not do. I will just repeat that there is a misconception about what has really happened. Also, there were serious health issues and poor legal representation issues that left the wrong impression with the public. I understand that, and that is why I spoke out about it. I would do that in any situation when I felt someone I knew was being harmed by misunderstanding of the facts. It was not my intention to insult the poster, it was only to point that his post was wrong.

As a general rule, everything published on any subject will look like a "good faith effort" unless you know that it misrepresents facts or does not tell the full story. We have all seen that happen on a near daily basis in the press. Your understanding of the "facts" involving many political matters may depend upon which cable TV station you watch.

With that being said, I am aware of facts that directly affected this matter that had a bearing on it from the start. I know the whole story is not out there and why I feel it has left an unfair impression of Mr. Brown.

The charges leveled previously by an uninformed poster "lies, dishonest manipulations, and attempts to bully his way past the rules, and the courts, and by using his money to have politicians take up his case" are unfounded, not backed up by the facts, and represent a personal attack on a decent human being.

ApS 08-04-2018 07:25 AM

Built to be Sold-off...
 
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Originally Posted by 2DAMTS (Post 299351)

Thank you—most helpful. The Boston Globe (mentioned twice) has a paywall to fund its "news".

IMHO: This house was built to be sold. :eek2:

Whoever installed the table tennis "set" didn't appreciate the space and surface needed for that game.

From the site:

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There aren’t many boats that sail by because of the submerged rocks in the water.
Yes, a passing sailboat is so very intrusive. :rolleye2: Located between two land masses is, at most locations, a poor place to "sail".

At least one rockpile was placed there by the builder. :eek: (Who paid a fine).

If "struck by misadventure", could this house be legally rebuilt to its present height and expansiveness? (Or greater?)

This cynic is guessing, yes... :(

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tis 08-04-2018 08:17 AM

I do not believe the state can be bought. People keep saying if you have enough money you can get anything but I don't think that is true. Having said that, I can't help but wonder how this house could be built on such a small island. What happened to the coverage area rule and the 50 foot rule? And all the other rules? Was it grandfathered? Can you fill us in on that much, Tilton?

winni83 08-04-2018 09:24 AM

“With that being said, I am aware of facts that directly affected this matter that had a bearing on it from the start. I know the whole story is not out there and why I feel it has left an unfair impression of Mr. Brown.”

Sorry but Mr. Brown’s apologists do little for his cause or reputation by pleading “unknown facts” to redeem him or explain his apparent intentional actions and decisions.

Outdoorsman 08-04-2018 09:29 AM

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Biggd 08-04-2018 12:16 PM

"rich people problems"

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The Real BigGuy 08-05-2018 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by winni83 (Post 299405)
“Sorry but Mr. Brown’s apologists do little for his cause or reputation by pleading “unknown facts” to redeem him or explain his apparent intentional actions and decisions.



unknown facts or “alternate” facts. Some don’t seem to know the difference.


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Flylady 08-05-2018 11:32 AM

Least we forget.....facts
 
One can not expect to plead their case without facts. Facts are defined as "something that is known to have happened or to exist, especially something for which proof exists, or about which there is information."

So people will conclude this story based on the known facts until other "facts" are presented.

kawishiwi 08-05-2018 11:52 AM

Wow...
 
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Originally Posted by TiltonBB (Post 299401)
I would be glad to do that but it would require a breach of confidentiality that I will not do. I will just repeat that there is a misconception about what has really happened. Also, there were serious health issues and poor legal representation issues that left the wrong impression with the public. I understand that, and that is why I spoke out about it. I would do that in any situation when I felt someone I knew was being harmed by misunderstanding of the facts. It was not my intention to insult the poster, it was only to point that his post was wrong.

As a general rule, everything published on any subject will look like a "good faith effort" unless you know that it misrepresents facts or does not tell the full story. We have all seen that happen on a near daily basis in the press. Your understanding of the "facts" involving many political matters may depend upon which cable TV station you watch.

With that being said, I am aware of facts that directly affected this matter that had a bearing on it from the start. I know the whole story is not out there and why I feel it has left an unfair impression of Mr. Brown.

The charges leveled previously by an uninformed poster "lies, dishonest manipulations, and attempts to bully his way past the rules, and the courts, and by using his money to have politicians take up his case" are unfounded, not backed up by the facts, and represent a personal attack on a decent human being.

what a giant, steaming, pile.

Onshore 08-06-2018 12:04 PM

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/...OC-VI-91-A.htm

Major 08-06-2018 02:19 PM

Welcome Island
 
Between Pitchwood and Stonedam Island. Be careful navigating around it. Lots of rocks!:eek:

LoveLakeLife 08-06-2018 05:16 PM

It used to be known as Wilcomb Island. The name Welcome might have developed over time, similar to Brown Bay morphing to Braun Bay.


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ApS 08-07-2018 05:52 AM

For Sale: Wilcomb Island?
 
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Originally Posted by Major (Post 299542)
Between Pitchwood and Stonedam Island. Be careful navigating around it. Lots of rocks!:eek:

I see it. Looks like a reasonably speedy sailing trip depends on the prevailing breeze and perfect weather. I may have to hitch a stinkpot ride to get over there. (And steer-clear of "The Witches"). :eek:

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Originally Posted by TiltonBB (Post 299565)
Really? You would have your "raghangar" towed by a "stinkpot" Oh the horror! Oh the pollution! Oh the noise from the straining GASOLINE engine! What if your neighbors see this? Oh my!

I hadn't thought of being so close behind the stinkpot's fumes. I'd have to ride in it. :eek2:

Because of no wind and threatening weather, I once accepted a tow from a Jet-Ski. :o There is no worse ignominy! :( Fortunately, the tow was only a ¼-mile, and I don't think anyone ashore saw it. :)

BTW: Why do architects universally adopt sailing as a sport? https://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/s...e/19boats.html

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Originally Posted by LoveLakeLife (Post 299560)
It used to be known as Wilcomb Island. The name Welcome might have developed over time, similar to Brown Bay morphing to Braun Bay.

My 1994 map shows "Welcome", and I think you're correct regarding the "morph". The Wilcombs have disappeared down the memory hole, but "Welcome Island" would help to sell the property. :rolleye2:

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webmaster 08-07-2018 07:38 AM

32 posts about global warming and politics have been moved to this thread in the Issues section:

https://www.winnipesaukee.com/forums...ad.php?t=23695

This forum is dedicated to Lakes Region topics. From the forum rules and guidelines:

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thinkxingu 08-07-2018 07:58 AM

My (moved) post was about the two views being discussed about this home: was it all done "right" or were there "shady" goings-on?

I don't know enough about building codes, but that sure seems like a lot of house on a small island?

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joey2665 08-07-2018 08:10 AM

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Please remember the purpose of this forum. There are thousands of other places on the Internet that you can express your opinions on national politics, global warming, etc.

I’m sorry, you are absolutely correct.

Thank you. [emoji4]



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The Real BigGuy 08-07-2018 12:00 PM

My bad. Sorry


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webmaster 08-07-2018 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by thinkxingu (Post 299591)
My (moved) post was about the two views being discussed about this home: was it all done "right" or were there "shady" goings-on?

I don't know enough about building codes, but that sure seems like a lot of house on a small island?

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Which post are you referring to? Every post from you that I see is about the politics discussion.

I'll gladly move your post back if it is just about the Welcome Island house.

thinkxingu 08-07-2018 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by webmaster (Post 299608)
Which post are you referring to? Every post from you that I see is about the politics discussion.

I'll gladly move your post back if it is just about the Welcome Island house.

No worries--it was towards the end, but I get there was a lot of political buildup! (My comment, BTW, wasn't intended to be snarky towards you, but rather to take responsibility for the move and focus my point).https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...7526e7787a.jpg

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