Thanks Major. The liberal fear-mongers hate the facts. All I can picture is the scene from the Wizard of Oz when the Wicked Witch has water dumped on her. “I’m melting, I’m melting”!!! Facts are to liberals, as water was to the witch.

Great point! Check out these Liberal Fear-Mongers at the CDC and their Goddamned expert opinions under-lied with expert reasoning and facts!

“More cases of COVID-19 are likely to be identified in the United States in the coming days, including more instances of community spread. CDC expects that widespread transmission of COVID-19 in the United States will occur. In the coming months, most of the U.S. population will be exposed to this virus.

Widespread transmission of COVID-19 could translate into large numbers of people needing medical care at the same time. Schools, childcare centers, and workplaces, may experience more absenteeism. Mass gatherings may be sparsely attended or postponed. Public health and healthcare systems may become overloaded, with elevated rates of hospitalizations and deaths. Other critical infrastructure, such as law enforcement, emergency medical services, and sectors of the transportation industry may also be affected. Healthcare providers and hospitals may be overwhelmed. At this time, there is no vaccine to protect against COVID-19 and no medications approved to treat it. Nonpharmaceutical interventions will be the most important response strategy to try to delay the spread of the virus and reduce the impact of disease.”

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Hardly a non-partisan article. Unless you are leaning way to the right. His only non-partisan part was that both sides are true politicians doing only what is best for the party, not what is best for the country.


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Forget about the total deaths for a minute. Do you not have any compassion for the health care workers who are fighting a losing battle trying to keep people alive and stay healthy themselves?
The quickness of the spread is overwhelming our health care system and this is with the measures we've taken. What happens if we lose all these health care workers to sickness? Who is going to take care of the sick, you?

GOOD the quicker everyone is exposed to this the quicker we have a large number of people with a natural immunity to this thing and be done with it.

All the side effects as described are already happening anyways as mandated by the government to shutdown or severely cripple businesses, movement of people and social gatherings.

Finally and more importantly these "experts" are operating on opinions that vary widely and the only factual data they have to work with is what numbers are known at the moment, that is number of confirmed infections and deaths. THIS IS A PARTIAL PICTURE of the actual full story. Even these "experts" acknowledge the hard numbers as reported now representing infections may be as little as 12% of the actual number. So based on that the US currently has 104K confirmed cases, lets say this number really is only 12% that would indicate that over 1,000,000 have been exposed. With a total of 1693 deaths this thing is no more deadly in fact less deadly than any other variation of the flu.

So who's "facts" and "numbers" are right? Well I guess that all comes down to how you assemble the "facts" and "opinions" now doesn't it?!?

Whole thing is turning hysterically comical. I think half the population is scared of their own shadow for cripes sake.

We can’t thank the health workers enough at times like these. The same can be said for police and fire when their number gets called. With that said, all the panic coming from the health care professionals is discouraging. Adds no value. Everyone is overwhelmed and doing their best


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"Yay! Let's overwhelm the healthcare system and ensure the maximum number of people die so that we can get back to making money!"

"These experts are only drawing the best conclusions they can from an incomplete set of data by using their extensive judgement and experience. There are differing projections but they all currently show that the worst is yet to come and while the measures we are currently taking are having an effect, we don't have anywhere in the country that has reach the 'apex' of the curve, and indeed other hotspots seem to be breaking out. FAKE NEWS!

But dear leader ***** thinks we can open up by Easter based on his gut feeling and the fact that Easter is a 'beautiful day'. NOW THERE'S SOME ANALYSIS I CAN GET ON BOARD WITH!"

My oldest daughter is an RN so I know the panic is real.

But he's trying to make us all feel better, don't you feel better now? :rolleye2:

Panic from the public is expected. The level of panic from the professionals is disappointing. They are the ones trained and expected to provide and guide the public though times like these, they can do better


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Every expert that I have heard says this far more deadly than the flu. Where did you get your "facts" from... because you do not have any basis to make that fake claim.

I am sure the current infection and death rate are very, very under counted. Many more are already infected and many have died that have not been counted. Can I prove that? Nope. But I can prove that people have had it but not been tested and I can logically infer that people who die that were not tested do not show up as a stat.

I cannot help wondering what mental mindset a person has to have that it is important to their own psyche to deny the obvious. I know Major has already confessed to being a dolt, so at least I understand him.

Interview with Dr. Fauci - March 26, 2020
 

Also, what happens when food supply workers get sick? Farmers, harvesters, packers, truck drivers, grocery store employees. Who is going to provide our food?

This year the flu has killed between 139 and 358 per day.

On Friday COVID-19 killed 332 people in a single day, and this number is climbing daily.

Your post encourages me because I'm pretty sure I'm going to outlive you, since you probably aren't going to be taking precautions to protect yourself from this fake pandemic. On the other hand, there's a high likelihood that your disbelief is going to kill me.

The news is full of first-person, on-the-scene accounts from doctors and nurses describing what it's like to be trying to treat people with inadequate equipment (ventilators, etc.) and personal protection, with no cure for the virus, in chaotic hospitals. How could they not be panicking? What reason do the rest of us have for not being alarmed?

Health workers can only provide healthcare and guide the public through the crisis if they have the support of a government that is making rational decisions about the crisis, responding to it in a timely manner, and providing health workers with the facilities and equipment they need. This is not what has happened. You would panic too if you were too dedicated to abandon a job that was likely to kill you.

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...... say-hey ......this Irving w/ $1.49 gas ...... somewhere in NH? ...... might be ten cents cheaper than the Golden Pond, but for $1.59, Golden Pond has old man Henry Fonda who comes outside, says hellooooooo, pumps the gas, washes the windshield, checks the oil, and usually tries to sell you a quart of GulfTEC Full Synthetic dexos-1 Gen 2 Motor Oil for 6.99/quart ..... so watch out for him!

I sure hope you and your family are well and don't need medical care anytime soon because they can't do any better unless they get enough of the appropriate equipment.

Being panicked and doing your job are not mutually exclusive.

Seems to me that what this is highlighting is the further need for the US to try to bring back manufacturing of critical supplies, resources and drugs ingredients and become more self sufficient.

I think I have heard that before somewhere...

$1.49 at the Irving in Moultonborough.

I almost stopped to fill up, but I only needed 4 or 5 gallons. $2.24 at home, still. Sad face!

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Almost 500 deaths today

I hope everyone now agrees that COVID-19 is worse than the regular flu. It's now just a case of narrowing in on just how much worse it is.

The World Health Organization is reporting a mortality rate of 4.6% based on worldwide confirmed positives and deaths. We know this is likely to be the extreme upper bound of the mortality rate due to under reporting and lack of testing.

In the US the current mortality rate based on known infections is 1.9%, with the same caveats as above.

On Wednesday March 11th, Fauci told the House Oversight and Reform Committee "COVID-19 is at least 10 times “more lethal” than the seasonal flu" which would be at least a 1% mortality rate.

Still think we are overreacting?

“Live free or die: Death is not the worst of evils.“ General John Stark.

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More than ever. I shudder to think how we will react to a real crisis in which our liberties and freedoms are at stake. Fauci’s a hack. I’m confident he’s not worried about whether he’s going to receive his next paycheck. Not like my son who is furloughed for three months and worried about whether he has a job to return to after all this nonsense.


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You're happy for 3.6million or more Americans to needlessly die? It's fine if you do, everyone is entitled to an opinion. I find it abhorrent, but it's fine.

Fake news.


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The worst evil I can think of at the moment is dying alone on a cot in a makeshift "hospital" in a gymnasium because there's no ventilator that could save my life . . . because my government failed to prepare for a pandemic ages ago, when it knew it was unprepared and knew that a pandemic was inevitable at some point, and failed to take timely action when it was clear that a pandemic was developing.

But no alternative sources of facts? Do you accept the facts but just don't care? Your son's next 3 paychecks is more important to you than the lives of 3.6million or more Americans?

Same as above, great for you if that's your outlook on life. I find it abhorrent, but you're welcome to your opinion.

:laugh: Oh dear. Oh well. I tried but with people like you there is no reasoning. Enjoy your Fox News / OANN bubble, and your "I got mines, screw everyone else" attitude.

Which epidemiologist, in your opinion is NOT a hack? What expert should we listen to? Please post a link to a scientist or epidemiologist who you think is credible. You are reading the scientific evidence, are you not? I assume you are, because you project yourself as so well informed about the level of threat.

"Medical Expert Who Corrects ***** Is Now a Target of the Far Right": https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/t...gtype=Homepage

"An analysis by The New York Times found over 70 accounts on Twitter that have promoted the hashtag #FauciFraud, with some tweeting as frequently as 795 times a day. The anti-Fauci sentiment is being reinforced by posts from Tom Fitton, the president of Judicial Watch, a conservative group; Bill Mitchell, host of the far-right online talk show “YourVoice America”; and other outspoken ***** supporters such as Shiva Ayyadurai, who has falsely claimed to be the inventor of email.

"Many of the anti-Fauci posts . . . have been retweeted thousands of times. On YouTube, conspiracy-theory videos about Dr. Fauci have racked up hundreds of thousands of views in the past week. In private Facebook groups, posts disparaging him have also been shared hundreds of times and liked by thousands of people, according to the Times analysis. . . . The campaign against Dr. Fauci stands out because he is one of the world’s leading infectious disease experts."

Back to business by Easter
 

I’ll bet you my house 3,200,000 Americans will not die from this. We’re at 2000, a long way from 3,200,000. Hyperbolic!


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I'll bet MY house that you can't provide any credible scientific evidence to support your claim that COVOID-19 isn't a real crisis. I can't decide whether you're a troll or just a very socially immature narcissist.

I agree. Because of the reaction (that you call an overreaction).

If we do nothing until it's too late, like you seem to advocate, then 3.2million+ will die from the virus, exacerbated by the overwhelming of the medical system.

Back to business by Easter
 

You know what I find abhorrent? That there are American citizens so willing to give up their rights because politicians and government hacks tell them to do so and sound authoritative while doing it. You can cower in Gilford. That’s your right. But don’t go telling me that you have all the so-called facts because pointy headed Washington bureaucrats are crying that the sky is falling.

And you bet my a$$ I care a lot more about my son than some jerk from Gilford.


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And this is the problem right here. This is not a me versus you issue, and the fact that you think it is, is very very sad.

Jobs in Washington State...
 

Boeing has asked suppliers to prepare for a resumption of production of 737-Max by May, 2020.
https://www.thestreet.com/investing/...-by-may-report

You go first!


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