Search and Rescue
 

Living on the Broads, I see many non motorized water-crafts up in deep doo doo when the weather changes. I almost always be the good Samaritan to go to the rescue. I would call the MP first, before I leave. Majority of the time, I don't see the MP. Pretty soon, my boat will be outlawed and they will have to fend for themselves. Be careful what you wish for.

just paid mine..... OUCH!!! but don't have to worry about that for another 12 months...

why does the legislature have it out for boaters????

Just waiting for the Trailer and Truck reg now... :-(

Why pay now?
 

I would never pay for the registration until right before I use my boat.Why have somebody else use your money for free?

registering the Mount?
 

At 230 feet and a whole lot of horsepower, anybody know how much it costs to register the Mount Washington now with the new higher rates? I'd figure it myself except I am too lazy!

My trailer reg was sent to me mid October, did you misplace yours?

Been a NH resident.
 

I've had my truck and boat registration sent to me. How do I get my trailer registration sent?

Our trailer registrations come to us with our car registrations in the month of your birth. The boats, however come for everyone in December, but we haven't gotten ours yet. I hope they aren't lost.

2010 NH Boat Registration Decals
 

I received my boat registration this week and I registered it in Concord today. The 2010 decals are orange in color and very thin. The registration office told me to be careful when putting them on in the spring because they will rip easy. They look almost transpatent.

OCD, with the boat fixed, the new graffics on, after a day or two on the water you won't even remember the pain of any of the expenses.......

I agree with Siksukr, why pay for your registration now when you can't use your boat for another 5 months. Rather use that money now for Xmas gifts!:)

boat rejestration
 

Why do we have to pay for a full year anyway when we only use our boats six Mths.?

Good point! It would be nice to take the decal off the boat and slap it on the snowmobile. :laugh:

And onto the pickup for the ride home.

Ya, it all makes you wonder, Who is running the State Of The State, these days? :confused: :look:

All Those in Favor, Say "Aye"
 

Yup...me too—and me neither.

1) The Coast Guard brought The Federal Government down on themselves—(many recent unnecessary searches, by formerly failing to conduct necessary searches).
—Soundings magazine this month

2) Paddlers are generally in agreement that recovery of lost canoes is futile, even though identification is engraved or embossed into every canoe and kayak: Not only are they generally in disagreement with the need (and cost) of registration, I'd say they're well-organized—beat back a 2007 effort by Senators Barnes, Gallus, and D'Allesandro—and are actually looking for a fight!

3) I'm at a loss as to when the MPs have ever conducted a genuine rescue of a paddler: Every instance I've witnessed has been a "Good Samaritan" rescue.

4) There are even times the MPs should not be called—such as after dark, a nail-biting error I once made. :eek: :( :eek2:

5) Few states require paddleboat registration, and Maine recently rejected it.


Alaska Requires registration of all paddlecraft
Arizona Registration requirements repealed in 2000 due to lack of funding, high cost of administration, and ineffective ability to return services to the paddlesports community at a level corresponding to the fees.
Illinois Requires registration of all paddlecraft
Ohio Requires registration of all paddlecraft.
Oklahoma Requires registration of all paddlecraft
Iowa Requires registration of all paddlecraft
Minnesota Requires registration of all paddlecraft
Pennsylvania Requires registration of all paddlecraft

6) Before any other state, wouldn't you think a "Live Free or Die" state would agree with Arizona's reasons? :confused:

7) All that said:

I—more than anybody else—agree that powerboaters should conduct an all-out effort to register the perhaps hundreds of thousands of New Hampshire rowboats, canoes, inflatables, kite-surfers, wind-surfers, kayaks, rowing sculls, and all sailboats under 12'...

...AND the effort should definitely be made before 2010 has run its course!

http://www.afte.org/forum/smf1/Smile...smf/smiley.gif :cool: :coolsm: :laugh:

Well now......Minnesota.....the land of 10,000 lakes....and each lake with a big number of kayaks and canoes out fish'n for walleye and muskelunges.....I dunno.....if Minnesota can register kayak & canoes....then why not New Hampshire, too?

As the rules are now, probably just that Mokai motorized kayak has to be registered. So, why not for small 9' kayaks too? Do not all the boaters need to pitch in and help to bail out the state budget before NH goes broke?:rolleye1:

There was a time not so long ago in a place far far away, (Newport,RI) when Floating Docks, sometimes called Mooring Floats had to be registered as boats....with numbers, stickers and all. Even a swim raft would qualify under some circumstances.

Mooring floats have become popular in small harbors where swinging space for anchored or moored boats is tight. A mooring float is nothing more than a floating dock permanently moored away from shore and having two or more boats "tied up" on either side of the float. .... OMG: A RAFT. The idea being to accommodate multiple boats in a tighter space than would otherwise be possible. As often as not, depending on location, the mooring float is moored at both ends to prevent swinging. Camden, ME has done this for years.

I always like to look at the bright side: :liplick: It might be cheaper to REGISTER your floating dock as a boat, than have to pay Real Estate Taxes on it. :D NB

OH My: I just got a brain cramp: An annual Rafting Permit STICKER for Braun Bay. :) :)

Haven't seen my boat registrations yet but can't wait to see the increase. I have 6 boats, 3 that require registration and I register each year. This year 2 never went in the water so I will not register next year until just before (or if) I launch. If I were required to register my canoe, kayak and peddle boat I would sell them.
On the subject of auto/trailer regs my Town clerk gets mine then sends me a letter with the amounts to make out to the state and to the town. My birthday is this month and the fees hurt this year.
One way to make it hurt a little less is that if you have quite a few vehicles that are registered in both your and your wife's names you might want to split them with your name first on half and hers first on the other half as the first names' birthday is when registration is required. Course if you're born in the same month....

I registered my boat last week and it didn't seem like it was much of an increase. The state told me the big increase is on new boat registrations.

Strange, no..... I thought it would go by your DOB as does my Truck. Is this not the case? could it be that I also registered it in May for the first time?

OCD, as has been stated a couple of times your trailer reg. does come with your car registrations in the month of your birth. Or DOB OF whoever's name they are registered in.

My boat registration is a bargain compared to my snowmobile reg. After club dues...$73. If I wait to make sure there is snow...$78. because you can't join a club and register on short notice. Give me my boat reg and the guarantee of 6 months of open water!

While I choose to boat and sled, the boat reg increase was definitely overdue. I question how Marine Patrol survived this long (seven years or so of dedicated funding) under the old formula.

:mad: I do support paddlers registering as well. They use the ramps that are paid for by access funds raised by powerboat registrations! Ramps that I can't launch at because they are "car top". They need to be searched for after being reported overdue, resources are used when they capsize and drown, they benefit from buoys and signage, and they are using a resource that everyone knows needs protecting. Time to pay the piper!

registrations
 

How many of you can recall the license plate registration. That was for the motor not the boat. Sometimes a real pain in the neck. Have two outboards fine you have two registrations. And when they changed over to the system we use now the grumbling of marking up the bow with numbers. We did not even have the internet and the grumbling could be heard around the lake.

fees for reg. has gone up, and I have inherited a 26' boat this year. wait till the state realizes that a pontoon has two or three logs. They will try and say that is double the registration. And I have been trying for three months to change the registration from my fathers name to mine. They were nice though they said wait till after the first of the year and you will only register it once. If I registered it now I would have to pay for 2009 and ineight days I would have to pay again for 2010. Now that to me is kind of dumb.

Don't forget about them mooring fees. I think they are 25 to 30 @

So this is an issue I always find myself straddling the fence on. Sure I understand the idea that paddlers use ramps, and rescue services etc. etc. etc. and sure enough some how they should help to fund these types of service I agree.

However what is next, having to have a tag to attach to my swim trunks when I go swimming somewhere else besides a beach being attended to by a life guard.

Now with that said, I think the real issue here is how things like the Marine Patrol and Search and Rescue are funded. Once again we find ourselves back at the State budget, spending and income. People need to Vote in change, and then make sure that change follows through with promises....

Back to the paddler issue.... the question here is how to handle this.... does each canoe, and kayak need a "access" sticker? ok... so then for me that would be 3 access sticker. I am not to worried about that... even if they are say 10 bucks that is only 30$ so the fiancee and I don't go out for breakfast one Saturday Morning a year. However what if they want to call it a registration... and I have to deal with bow numbers.... well then there is an accident, and insurance gets involved.... and the landslide goes on and on....

Now the other issue here, is that this is something that NH could be a Maverick and go out and do on their own.... but see they tried that with boat registrations.... You "Had" to register your boat in NH.... the the Feds, said we will take funding away if you don't adopt the Coast Guard practice for registration and adopt reciprocity....Wow was NH quick to standardized with the rest of the country.... So NH become the only state to require Canoes and Kayaks to register.... hummmm wonder how that is going to end up.....

My point is this... it might seem simple to say ya, let make the Kayaker and Canoeist pay some... And I can't totally disagree.... but there is more to be considered then meets the eye........

I do not have any problem with requiring non-powered watercraft to pay an "access fee" of $5 - $10 per craft. Full blown registrations are a completely different animal... no need for that.

A simple yearly sticker, same color as the powerboat sticker affixed to the watercraft would do.... fine for non compliance should equal the cost of the sticker + $10


Woodsy

What year?
 

Just out of curiousity, do you recall what year did they start requiring bow numbers?

Off the top of my head I don't recall the year, but it happened under pressure from the USCG. In order to boat on the ocean a vessel needs to have bow numbers or be documented. Because NH had license plates the Coast Guard had to register and assign bow numbers to NH ocean going recreational boats. They eventually stopped doing it and told NH to institute a bow number program or recreational boaters offshore would be in violation of the law. Initially after NH started issuing bow numbers they were not reciprocal so out of state boats needed to buy a NH registration decal to add to their out of state bow numbers. Eventually that went away as well.

As to a registration decal for currently unregistered boats, a simple solution would be a one time fee, assigning a number on a decal to be located on the vessel to serve two purposes. It would raise money and the number on the decal could be listed in a database identifying the owner so that if the boat broke free and was found floating capsized it would help in cutting down unnecessary SARs. When a currently unregistered boat is resold privately the new owner needs to notify the state paying a one time fee transferring the decal number to the new owner on the database. When purchased new via retail the owner gets a form to fill out and submit.

I think the one time fee is all that is probably necessary because there are easily hundreds of thousands of these boats in NH already, and probably thousands more sold every year in NH. It would more than fund the establishment of a database and add to the MP budget.

My personal choice for a penalty for not getting the decal is pretty Draconian. If a vessel is found floating around in the water capsized that does not have a decal it is seized by the state and sold to help recoup the cost of the SAR that was launched.

I would not make this something the MP could stop and check for a decal, but if there were a reason to stop a boat like this, the owner would be told to get a decal, then if he/she didn't within a certain period of time the vessel could be seized. Like I said, pretty Draconian but it would ensure compliance.

Just my $.02

Pretty Sure 1989 Was The First Year
 

I'm almost positive that I've got my 1988 plate hanging up in the garage.

Yup...That'll Work...
 

Sounds right: using the last two letters in your registration number, and working backwards, it'll come out that "AA" was about 1988. That was also about the time the state also started required unpowered sailboats to "pay-up" for the temporary, but unregistered use of NH's wind. :rolleye2:

Airwaves wrote:
1) With the new decals being reported "flimsy", this couldn't be applied to every capsized boat, particularly those involved in NHMP investigations.

2) Maine "just nixed [2005's] kayak/canoe registration fee".
And while we're "annoying people", a kayak registration requirement should be rushed through the Legislature—to be effective in 2010—and see what happens to other Legislation. :D

3) http://www.americanwhitewater.org/co...r_registration

(The above link is not to the pre-eminent organization among the paddlesports).

Disclaimer:
Though I presently own three "manually-powered craft", I haven't put them in the water these past several years. My BIL does bring an inflatable kayak to Winnipesaukee in his RV; however, any visitor from a state that doesn't require registration isn't going to have a decal!

I'd say make it a voluntary measure :look: those who desire payments to increase the MP budget—purchase a decal.

BTW:
One recent year, the NHMP budget included the purchase of a former oversized Coast Guard boat that throws a wake that's a menace to every canoe out there! :eek:

I think that is about right too... My Parents and I moved east from Washington St. in 86 and it was 2 or 3 years after that, when the Plates stopped. Interestingly enough, the first year or two we just zipped tied the plate to the Outboard motor.... Then we decided the heck with it if we are going to have these plates lets follow the crowd, and mount it to the boat. Yep then the very next year Bow numbers..... I still remember my father looking at me telling me I should have made him wait one more year before mounting the plate.

I believe you are correct, I checked downstairs and the sailboat plate I have hanging on the wall is 1988, so 89 is probably the year of the switchover.

Wait no more: there is a registration surcharge of $30 for vehicles!!!!!
YES - A SURCHARGE!

I guess my stance is where does the government pig stop. It just keeps growing and eating into the wallets of taxpayers to support bloated governemnt perks, pensions, and flat out waste that are out of control.

The reasoning in the quote above gauls me. What's next? You'll need a government registration tag on your swim suit in order to go swimming in a lake or stream?

The relentless growth of government has to be stopped and stopped soon.

We could move elections from November up to April 16th. :D

As I recall, no-engine sailboats weren't "taxed". :rolleye1:

AHA! :look: You most likely had a Mercury over 20-HP back then. :)

Toad...

I am most certainly one of the biggest anti-spend advocates here on the board. I think your GW quote is absolutely spot on....

With that being said, I dont consider the NHMP part of the government bloat... they are funded soley by boat registrations (which have been declining for a few years) and Federal Grants. They do not get any $$$ from the State's general Fund. Essentially your boat registration is a 'Use tax". I dont have much of a problem with "use Taxes" as they only apply to certain people and can be avoided....

At this point, paddlers are not required to help pay for the NHMP, even though they are some of the more vocal NHMP critics. I have no problem with a $5 or $10 access sticker being required for paddlers.... They can help pay too!

Woodsy

Woodsy

What's this about a surcharge?!? I always wait until May to register my boat because that's when I register my truck and trailer. Are you saying if I wait until May, I'm going to end up paying $30 extra?!?!? This is getting RIDICULOUS!! :mad:

Can anyone post a link to the RSA that includes this new "surcharge"? :confused:

Originally posted by APS
Sailboats over 16 or 20 feet with engines were required to be registered with a license plate then bow numbers...not everyone had just a sunfish you know! :laugh:

Wait a minute. I allready pay on my 23 bowrider and jet ski. Why hit me again on the kyack. I can only use one at a time.

Just got mine.. OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! my trailer is costing more then the boat reg!!!! Also, ORANGE stickers?? Orange????? YUCK! totally against the graphics.. I may be looking into getting coast guard documented..

Sunbeam... and others,

Its understandable how people who don't own motorized boats are against this proposal, they have been able to use the public resource of NH lakes, ponds and rivers for free... its in THIER best interest to keep it free (for them)!

But the safety and maintenance of those waterways does have a cost associated with it! During the Great Speed Limit debates this forum saw canoeists and kayakers complain vociferously about the NHMP and its lack of enforcement.... especially of the 150' rule. however they pay nothing to support the NHMP.

So you dont want a fee? How do YOU propose we fund the NHMP? Fuel, personnel and maintenance costs increase 3-5% every year. Should it stay as it is now where only powerboaters bear the burden of funding the NHMP? We see the results of that policy in the doubling of our registration fees.

Short of not paying anything at all, wouldnt you rather a $5 or $10 fee on your kayak instead of a double digit increase in your powerboat and PWC registration again in a couple of years? and again in couple more years?

I do understand that "getting hit" again with a small fee is definiately a pain! But lets try to be realistic... a $5 or $10 fee isnt going to really be all the detrimental compared to your motorized boat registration fees doubling every 2-3 years....

Requiring a NH waterway access decal would raise alot of $$$ for NHMP while minimally impacting EVERYONE who uses the water resources... and doesnt put the financial burden soley on one group.

Woodsy