Tell us a little about your family. I think it would be of interest.

Skip the neck. Plenty of Atlantic off Portsmouth….

You’re joking, right? Did you or you son-in-law ever think that the cranked tunes and “good roll” (my assumption is you are talking about his wake wave) are infringing on others rights to the pursuit of happiness? Probably not because it’s all about you.


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Troll
 

Poster wentworthwhitbreadIII is obviously trolling...Best not to feed the trolls...

Dan

Gents I may have been projecting as I was the cranky neighbor ;-). The lack of respect by my neighbor ‘s sense of entitlement is ridiculous


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It's absolutely frustrating, for sure. Sorry you have to deal with it.

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Unfortunately the sense of entitlement is very high these days. But I think it is more then that at play often times. Many of us have been around the lake for decades... We have seen it change, and learned what effects different conditions can have on it. However there are a host of new people many with money that are now moving in, their vision is not the same as ours. They want all the comforts they enjoy at home.... coming to Winnipesaukee is no longer about escaping modern day life.... it is about Modern life on the lake, part of that modern life is being less concerned about the environment and being more concerned about what can be done on the lake to make modern life more enjoyable. Up until this point, yes I am really discussing just entitlement, so let me go on..... What many of these new lakers don't have a conception of is how much the lake has changed over the last 30-40 years. Well this lake is still in good shape compared to many other lakes, development and over use is taking its toll, but the only way to see that is to have witnessed the changes in the long term.... Todays short term self entitled people don't have that History.....

When I started coming to the lake many years ago, muck on our shore front was none existent.... now it is gathering more and more.... fortunately my family is active enough in the water that we stir it up, and it moves along.... but I wonder how much longer that will continue to be the case.....How much longer before the invasive species, that have lived in certain sections of the lake, continue to spread into more of the lake....Having seen the damage invasive species can do on Lake Champlain, I am concerned that in another 30-40 years my grand kids will not think of Winnipesaukee as a desirable place to go on a constant basis...

100%


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And it never used to be about partying but a nice quiet place to relax.

Just curious, I usually am well more than 300 ft from shore even in lower lake levels anyway, but is this "asking to observe" an pull overable offence like when the No Wake Zone was put on the entire lake? Or is this just a common sense and lets be kind type of statement?

courtesy and common sense.

Common sense suggestion.

Alan

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What is a "STR"?

Short term rental?

Yes, but I removed the post as not germane to water levels.

With the water level where it is, nowhere. Keep eroding the shoreline if you choose.

I know you've been looking forward to your vacation this week. But please stop your water skiing and wake surfing between Stonedam and Meredith Neck. PLEASE.

Planning to head out on Lake Winni this weekend? Please be conscious of your wake and "double the distance" to 300 ft. from the shore. Winni is approximately 7 inches above full lake level, and the average (1982-2022) lake level for Winni at this time of year is 504.00. The dam bureau is discharging flows at 1550 cubic feet per second which is equivalent to almost 700,000 gallons per minute! There are no cyanobacteria alerts or advisories within the Lake Winnipesaukee watershed at this time.

“Double Your Distance!”

New Hampshire Marine Patrol and LWA are in agreeance that we need to "double the distance!". The safe passage law remains the same, restricting boaters to headway speed within 150 feet of any other boat, shore, docks, or mooring fields, but Capt. Brendan Davey with the Department of Safety said current conditions warrant doubling that distance. Staying 300 feet from the shore and maintaining headway speed will help reduce your impact on the shoreline.

Pollution and sediment are added to the lake at an alarming rate in rain events like these because the ground only has the capacity to absorb so much. Because of the high water level, with the added height and additional wave power, waves are crashing onto the shoreline and affecting areas that normally would not be impacted. Storm runoff contains bacteria, pollutants, and excess nutrients that are washed into the lake. Reducing your wake and doubling your distance will help reduce your impact on Lake Winnipesaukee.

https://www.laconiadailysun.com/news...613735ed3.html

Good luck with 300 ft. when you can't even get them to not make a wake in a no wake zone or 150 feet from shore/ docks etc. They have no clue.

Amen to the last


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How can you get this information to renters? Should the rental agencies have pamphlets or brochures that they can give that explains all the rules on the lake?

Rate of discharge...
 

How can I find the rate of Winni water discharge at Lakeport dam?

The 300 foot idea is a common sense suggestion by the Lake Winnipesaukee Association. It is not a rule.

Good luck getting renters to abide by it. The regular, make a big wake have a loud stereo boats, that are based on the lake won't stop doing their thing, and don't seem to care. What would make you think a renter would?

Two of these environmental disaster boats went up and down in front of my house (with the music blaring) for a long time yesterday. One was within 100 feet from shore. Their wakes washed over my docks loosening boards, over my seawall into the yard, and bounced the boat around. Today's project is to try to refasten some of the planks that came up.

I am not sure if the "make a wake blast the stereo" boat owners know and don't care, or are just clueless about the problems they cause.

Looking at the weather forecast for the next eight days till August 1st, and feel'n the weather, it sure seems like the rainy weather has done left the building for now. This should be a BIG plus for lowering the Lake Winnipesaukee water level by about 3.5-inches between today and August 1st. Time will tell and we just have to wait and watch as the level goes down a wee small bit, each and every day, now till August 1.

I know there was some people on this lake with a very olde aluminum dock, low in the water, and actually one to three inches under the water, all weighted down with 32-gal trash water barrel, granite blocks, concrete garden blocks and 250-lb 5-gal concrete bucket, about 20 different weighty items, that was able to survive yesterday's 10-hour constant incoming big water wakes just fine with no damage what-so-ever because it, the dock, was weighted down and mostly underwater ..... just like a submarine.

So, where there is a will, there is a way! You just need to think it ahead a little bit and assume that some bad things will usually happen ...... (you got that, Looney Bin ...... ;)).

Last night by Suissevale, there were two wakeboats doing their thing way too close to everything and everybody—they were running in the space between Little Ganzey and Ganzey/the mainland. We were anchored about 100' off LGI, and it was horrible to see the size of the compounding waves they were creating.

They were clearly skilled at what they were doing, so we assumed not new to the lake/activity, but clearly did not think at all about their actions OR didn't care.

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I have two 32 gal. trash barrels filled with water (plus several smaller ones). Each 32 gal. weighing over 200 #'s. Yesterday, a huge cruiser came about 50-75' away with the largest wake I've seen throwing both barrels up about 8-10" and they didn't settle back in a good position. Trying to move those barrels, without having to drain them, and reposition the boards, was not an easy task.

I've not seen any decrease in the Lake level for the last few days. In fact, it looks about 1/2" higher than last Friday.

Insurance claims...
 

I wonder how many insurance claims this activity has generated and would a substantial increase affect the decision to make the Lake a NWZ?

So I looked at the DES page this morning, the lake is indeed coming down, again. It is currently at ~504.84 which means the lake is down somewhere around ~1 inch since it high point.... The dam is being openned back up to ~1670 cfs... it had been put down to ~1500 cfs.... If we avoid any serious rain accumulation the lake level should fall some more this week, and hopefully they will feel that they can open the dam even a little further later this week.

For those that have asked, the following website can be used to get information on the lake level and dam outputs... https://nhdes.rtiamanzi.org/

Gary, here is a link to the 2023 lake level, inflow and outflow in pdf form. There is a chart and graph form available. Both are good resources. I usually favor the chart as I get the the numbers right up front but the graph is useful for seeing historical trends through the season.

https://www.des.nh.gov/resource-cent...bcategory=Dams

I would guess that the Legislature wouldn't be open to that... if you are speculating the entire lake all the time.

The long number of rain days compressed the usage, and the high levels when the sun is out, just further complicated it for the short term.

If the weather pattern proved consistent year-after-year, the Legislature might make some other changes... but I honestly feel that it would not go as far as the entire lake all the time.

I am not sure insurance covers dock damage... The MP (or whatever body) should think long and hard before making a lake wide NWZ and messing around with the economic engine that is Lake Winnipesaukee. The last time it happened, a lot of the businesses around the lake that depend on tourism cried foul.

Woodsy

What does need to happen are rule changes that allow lakeside property owners to repair and or modify their property without the overwhelmingly regulations. Bring in more stone as required. Move a rock or two without risk of a fine


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The last time the lake went to a NW condition, I do believe it was a combined decision of DES, and the Marine Patrol. I also remember that I was standing in about 6-8 inches of water on top of my dock. We haven't come close to that level. when that happened the lake was at least 1 ft. plus above full pool....

The tourism engine is always crying foul about something. So really Honestly, I don't think that plays part in the decision at all...

As I have said all along, I don't even think the state would consider a NW order for Winnipesaukee until it went over 505 ft. and while we where close it didn't get there... At that level, many marina's, and yacht clubs start running into issues..... Up until then most of the problems are from individual home owners...

The rules exist because many lakefront owners were as uncaring about their environmental impact as the wakeboarders in Think's post.

We should see some level drop this week. 4:30 PM today. There is a lot of water going over the Lakeport Dam.

Yes about 1,650 CFS the past few days.

Alan

Could "Model Help" Be On The Way...?
 

An out-of-state occasional visitor asked why the NH Marine Patrol isn't enforcing wake rules. :confused:

I sure picked a terrible summer to hire a helper to repair major dock damage! :eek2:

...and wind is preferable even when returning from an 8-mile distant Wolfeboro fireworks display in a 14-foot wooden boat. (Back when the biggest boat in Winter Harbor was a 18-foot wooden Thompson)...

But I think help is on the way!

(Starting elsewhere, of course).

My three newest neighbors--2022--have cut down their century-old shoreline trees. I can now see five hundred feet of the neighbors' shorelines and docks. :( (When at one time, I couldn't see or hear any neighbors at all). :rolleye1:

One has mud puddling where their new lawn was supposed to go...much mud has already flowed into the lake...

Looking this morning, the lake is down almost 2 tenths of a foot from the high point last week.... so roughly about 2.5 inches...... progress is being made, if we can stay ran free the lake should be in pretty good shape by the weekend....

It looks like it went down overnight!

Maybe the water was absorbed into the shore from all the wave action on Sunday. :eek: